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Broker Bryant Dishes Out The Dirt!

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Mortgage and Lending with Bank of England (NMLS#418481) NMLS# 1046286

The gloves are coming off!  Broker Bryant, I'm calling you out!  I realize that you are the Oscar De La Hola of Active Rain but with great power comes great responsibility.  In your post "Another One Bites The Dust" you tell mortgage brokers to bite you, 

"Now, let's see what I can come up with for a learning experience...hmmm.... OK, I've got one......Bite me you *&%#$ and %^&*!# Mortgage Brokers!!! Oops, sorry, that just slipped out."

That is simply not responsible!  You are making the same mistake that a lot of the national media and our lawBroker Bryant??? makers are making in using the term mortgage brokers as a generic term for mortgage lenders.  What you did is equivalent to somebody saying, "All real estate agents are sleezy, lamp shade wearing crooks!"

You know what, some of us are!  Probably more than most of us would care to admit.  But does that mean that all real estate agents are like that.  Of course not.  You would be insulted if I insisted that they were.

Well, I'm insulted that you are disparaging all of us mortgage brokers because of a bad experience with one. 

Mortgage lenders (all mortgage lenders - not just mortgage brokers), like real estate agents, need to clean up their acts.  In both "professions" it's way too easy to get into the field and standards are lax.  

An apology is in order here.

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc. 

 

 

Mario Levesque
Advantage Avenue Real Estate - Wesley Chapel, FL
Tampa Realtor

Just wanted to be the first on a post that is most likely going to generate a lot of talk.   Alright, no fighting anyone.

Mario

May 09, 2007 06:33 AM
Kat DeLong
Realty ONE Group Mountain Desert - Prescott, AZ
REALTOR

I agree with Bob; saying every apple in the barrel is rotten is just plain wrong.  Heck, I'm sweet as pie.

 

May 09, 2007 06:40 AM
Leigh Brown
Leigh Brown & Associates, RE/MAX Executive - Charlotte, NC
CEO, Dream Maker - Charlotte, NC
I would have to agree, since none of us like to be brushed with a broad stroke.  Of course, BB was quite frustrated when he was venting-and we've all been there!
May 09, 2007 06:43 AM
Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County
Can't we all just get along? Who said that?  There is good and bad within all the professions represented here on Active Rain. This will be interesting, Mario.
May 09, 2007 06:43 AM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)

What's wrong with a good fight?  It seems to me that it's okay here on AR, especially if you're one of the golden boys, to say disparaging remarks about mortgage brokers.  I'm sure that Broker Bryant is a fine fellow, but I'm tired of getting included in with every mortgage lender that does anything off color because people don't differentiate between types of lenders. Even if you limit your discussion to just "mortgage brokers" we come in all stripes.  It's not fair to paint us all with the same brush, just as it's not fair to paint any large group of people with one brush.

Bob Mitchell

ValueList  

May 09, 2007 06:44 AM
Larry H Morris
Mortgage Solutions Financial - Portland, OR
Larry Morris, NMLS 150073

Here, here... I agree as well. I understand the frustration, but I know lousy Realtors, bankers, bank reps... and mortgage brokers. We mortgage brokers take a bad rep even when it's not due. There was just as much responsibility for the buyers agent to make sure he/her had a real buyer. Bryant didn't chastise him/her...

It's interesting, when you read the Fraud Blogs, if there is a mortgage broker there is usually a Realtor involved as well.

May 09, 2007 06:47 AM
Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life
I clicked on the link but the page was unavailable.  I haven't read the post yet but I certainly will. 
May 09, 2007 06:55 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

Hey Bob, I love a debate so thanks for calling me out:) When I first wrote my post that line read.

"Bite me you lying and cheating Mortgage Brokers!!! Now unless you are a lying and cheating Mortgage Broker, which I'm pretty sure you're not, then this line does not apply to you. BUT for any who are, then yes, Bite me!!! Maybe it would have been more clear if I hadn't edited but I was trying to tone in down as I know there are many good MBs out there with quite a few being members of AR. When I edited I added this line to the bottom of my post:

***OK so I edited my language, at the last minute, before posting. I realise that things happen and I try very hard to give folks the benefit of the doubt BUT it sure is getting difficult.

Anyway, my comment was not meant to be all encompassing. So if you took offense to it then I apologize. I do however stand by my post. I hadn't realised you posted this so below is the comment I had left on my post responding to your comment.

Bob, Not true? My post is a real life event. But I do agree 100% there are bad seeds in every aspects of our business. It seems though that MB are always defending their peers when in reality there are many that are unscrupulous. I don't defend my peers at all. If they screw up they need to be held accountable. Our industry is out of control with incompetence and something needs to be done about it. The issue I outlined in my post is the norm in my market. Sorry, but I call them like I see them. The real issue is what can we do about it? Well fortunately by writing this post I have been given several excellent ideas that I will be implementing in my business practices to hopefully help protect my sellers against worthless prequals and preapproval letters. This is a major problem in my market and I'm sure in most areas. I gave this particular MB the benefit of the doubt until she called and suggested she CHANGE the denial letter so it didn't reflect the foreclosures. So, I'll ask again, what's up with that? Would you do that? The denial letter was directly from the lender and the broker wanted to change it so the buyer could get his deposit back. In this case, she IS a #!$%&* Mortgage Broker. Bob I know you don't handle your business like this. But from my perspective you are in the minority. Hey maybe it's just a Poinciana thing:) 

May 09, 2007 07:07 AM
Rich Jacobson
Fathom Realty West Sound - Poulsbo, WA
Your Kitsap County WA Real Estate Broker

Bob - I thought that Bryant's response to you on his post was certainly more than adequate to explain his position. I see no reason to 'Call Him Out'.... Our industry is in bad need of some serious 'house cleaning' and his post simply reflects that need. There just as many similar rants here in the Rain that lump all agents into the same boat.

Oh, and Bryant isn't the Oscar De La Hoya of ActiveRain. His Better Half is the one who does the "BAM!' knock-out punching!...

May 09, 2007 07:14 AM
"The Lovely Wife" The One And Only TLW.
President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc. - Kissimmee, FL

Blog Boy...

Are you throwing it all against the wall and hoping it will stick? :)

Oh. I forgot to leave a BAM behind. LOL.

TLW...ROAR!

May 09, 2007 07:14 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

Rich, I understand exactly where Bob is coming from. It is very frustrating for a MB, LO, Lender, Banker or REALTOR(R) when we get lumped in with the bad. And that is exactly why we need to write about these things.  For us as an industry to pretend that every thing is "peachy" is part of the problem. It is far from being "peachy" and something needs to be done about it.

Bob, This needs to be a public post, as is mine. The consumer should be able to read these discussions. They need to know that we are aware of these issues and that it pisses us off too. They can handle it. One of the great things about AR is our ability to express how we feel and our ability to talk about the difficult issues AND the consumer being able to be privy to these conversations. By having this opportunity, maybe, with enough time, our industry will change and the public's perception of us will increase.

May 09, 2007 07:25 AM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)

Bryant:  I will edit the post to make it public, I debated doing that but had been called on the carpet before for making a post public, when those people thought that it should have been members only.  Also, I can understand your frustration with mortgage lenders.  I've been exactly where you are at myself.  That said, the bogus pre-approval letters that I've seen have been as likely to have come from the big boys as from a mortgage broker.

Rich:  I agree whole heartedly that mortgage banking be it the brokers, the mortgage bankers, the banks or the Wall Street Investment houses that structure and pool the Mortgage Backed Securities that fund mortgages, are in need of a good cleaning.  I have also said the same thing about real estate agents (see Ship Us All Out To Sea) 

To the rest of you...thanks for the comments! 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList 

May 09, 2007 08:28 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time
Bob, I went back and linked to this post from my post to get added exposure to this discussion. As always I appreciate your comments and opinions.
May 09, 2007 08:37 AM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)

Bryant, I appreciate yours too.  Didn't mean to come down so hard on you.

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueLIst 

May 09, 2007 12:10 PM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time

Bob, I'm a big boy and can take it. I don't think you came down hard on me at all. You were voicing your opinion. I write posts like that sometimes to purposely stir up a conversation. It's how I learn. For example, I didn't know a foreclosure wouldn't necessarily show up on a credit report until George Souto pointed that out in his comment. Lenn Harley also emailed me a great buyer financial form.

When instigating a heated discussion you just never know where it's going to lead and what will come out of it.  It's what I love about this place. And as I mentioned above, the consumer should be able to listen in to these types of discussions. It's good for them to see what we have to deal with on a daily basis. Even though it may be a very negative part of our business it gives the consumer respect for what "the good ones" do. It increases our value. And the fact that we are willing to talk about it shows that we are honest. Make sense?

There is a method to my madness:)

May 09, 2007 12:25 PM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)

Bryant, I do see where you are coming from to a certain degree and I did edit the post to make it public.  That said, read some of the comments from your post and from mine and you'll see comments that still support the notion that all mortgage brokers are a bunch of thieving, lying scum.  One guy on your post said something about a mortgage broker calling on him and him shooting the guy down simply because he is a mortgage broker.  How would that guy and you feel if you heard somebody say something to the effect of, "EVERY real estate agent that I've ever met was a piece of crap.  They're ALL just trying to rip the public off. Etc. Etc. Etc.

Well, that's what you guys are doing to mortgage brokers.  It's no different than saying that all Irish people are drunks or that all black people like Chicken or that all Black Irish like to get drunk and eat chicken!

I don't know your particular market, but I am familiar with several around the country and none that I know of have more than a minority of bad loan officers or companies doing business in them.  Are there still too many rotten apples?  Yes, there are.  Would I go as far as to say that the percentage of bad loan officers or companies is higher among the brokers than it is among the mortgage banking companies and the banks, yeah...maybe a bit.  But not much more than a bit.  

I've refinanced people with good credit off of B and C paper loans that were done by branch offices of some of the country's biggest mortgage bankers.  I've seen banks turn a person down on a loan and tell them that they would be happy to approve their mortgage if they bought in a better (read white) part of town.  I've seen Loan Officers from Mortgage banking companies bragging about how they got 8 points from a little old lady and that they didn't have to disclose it to anybody!

I've also seen law makers RUN to pass a law to limit mortgage brokerages and to raise their cost of production for no better reason than that being the way that the banks wanted it to be because the mortgage brokers were more efficient and could undercut them.

I'm curious how this will all shake out (the current push to further regulate mortgage brokerages exclusive of other mortgage lenders).  I'm not saying that ALL mortgage lenders shouldn't be subject to further regulation.  Experience and education requirements should be implemented across the board to better the industry.  To finish, I repeat.....it was not responsible or correct to say that all mortgage brokers are bad and to be avoided.  

May 09, 2007 02:36 PM
Ryan Hukill - Edmond
405home @ ERA Courtyard - Edmond, OK
Realtor, Team Lead
OK, so I have to admit that I liked BBs last line, simply because it's something I would write also. However, I can also see Bob's point and would have to agree. So, in essence, I'd be pointing the finger at myself in such a situation, but it was still funny!  :)
May 09, 2007 04:13 PM
John S.
RealtorRatingz.com - Canandaigua, NY
Someone needs to buy a sense of humor.
May 10, 2007 09:38 AM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)
John:  Huh?
May 10, 2007 05:41 PM
Robert McArtor
RE/MAX Components - Fallston Maryland - Bel Air, MD
Top Listing Agent for Baltimore and Harford County
My previous Mortgage Broker shopped my package around to everyone making all types of promises..."This looks good, we can get it done".......After I was finished with him......He wore a lampshade just like yours :)
May 10, 2007 10:46 PM