The new world of Private Mortgage Insurance. (PMI)

 

Over the past few years we have seen so many changes in the mortgage world, the most obvious one is the return of PMI. We spent years doing loans with piggy back seconds cheating the system into thinking that there was 20% down.  The days of the 80-10-10 are gone, and the days of the High LTV second are gone as well.

PMI at one time was a simple thing. Most of us that have been in the business for more than 10 years can quote you what it was for a 5% or 10% down deal "way back when".Times have certainly changed as PMI has become a moving target and the cost of PMI fluctuates not only with down payment, but with credit score and property type as well. PMI changes have caused Guideline changes for Mortgage programs and have been causing a lot of confusion in the industry.

There are 6 major players in the Private Mortgage Insurance world and each has their own guidelines. The list below is a snapshot of what can and cannot be done with PMI, and in some cases what is only a "maybe" when you see only 2 of the 4 companies doing certain loan types now, I would not doubt that they will change their minds fairly quickly and not want to be adversely selected. Here are the bullet points:

PMI and Credit Scores:

  • 2 of the 6 Companies have a minimum credit score of 680
  • 1 has a 660 minimum score
  • 3 allow below 660, BUT "subject to expanded criteria rates or to Nonstandard rates" (That means OUCH!)

PMI and Ratios:

  • 3 of the 6 companies have maximum back end ratios (or DTI Ratios) of 41%
  • 3 max out at 45

(DTI: Debt to income, so the mortgage payment + Debt can be equal to no more than 41 or 45% of the gross Monthly Income)

PMI and Condos

  • 4 of the 6 companies require at least 10% down on condos
  • 2 allow for 5% down, but in each case SIGNIFICANT restrictions apply. Each PMI company has their own list for declining markets which may increase the minimum down payment.

PMI and Second/Vacation Homes:

  • 4 of the 6 companies will not insure Second homes
  • 2 Require 10% down
  • 1 requires Minimum 720 credit score
  • None allow second homes in Declining markets
  • "Significant restrictions apply"
  • BEWARE THE IDES OF MARCH! March 15 all PMI companies are dropping second homes. There is rumor that one company will continue with 15% down for their premier lenders, but that is yet to be seen.

PMI and Investment properties:

  • Not eligible AT ALL for any of the PMI companies

PMI and the new loan limits above $417,000:

  • All 6 require a Minimum 10% down
  • 2 require a minimum credit score of 740
  • 2 require a minimum credit score of 720
  • 2 require a minimum credit score of 700

PMI and Multi Family Homes:

  • 3 of the 6 companies Allow 2 Family owner occupied at 5% down with a 680 Minimum credit score
  • 3 do not allow 2 family homes at all
  • 3&4 Family homes are not eligible at all for PMI with any company

The above are just the bullet points we all run across every day. There are additional restrictions for each level, and if your market happens to be considered a declining market... Look Out! The minimum credit scores go up, and they are requiring larger down payments as well.  PMI guidelines are changing frequently, more than likely companies will continue to tighten their guidelines as we move forward until things get more "normal" and we stop hearing the "F" word.

There is the bright side to this story, FHA.  Do not shy away from an FHA loan.  Here are a few quick comparisons:

  • FHA's MIP (Mortgage insurance premium) does not change based on credit score
  • FHA has a discount on MIP at 5% down
  • FHA allows as little as 3.5% down (USDA loans allow for less, but not common in all areas)
  • FHA MIP is often MUCH cheaper than PMI
  • FHA has more flexible ratios, and more flexible credit score requirements
  • FHA Loans will not have a huge interest rate add on for Low credit scores (conventional loans can have significant interest rate add ons beginning with credit scores below 740)

I could continue this FHA list but that would be an entirely different blog!

Bottom Line: Less than 20% down, there willbe PMI, in some cases there may even be PMI with 20% down. There are not any sustainable options to avoid PMI these days. A few lenders do still allow Lender funded (IE: Higher Rate)but you are still paying for PMI; you just do not see it.  Also, do not be surprised if you have a buyer with 20% down and we recommend they go FHA. A 660 Credit score, (or worse a 659), will often be much better off with an FHA loan VS a conventional loan.  Make sure you are working with a Trusted lending PARTNER to be sure they have your clients best interests in mind, and are aware of the ever changing mortgage world.

 

Have a great week!

Rob

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15 Comments on The Confusing world of PMI, Simplified

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There certainly has been a lot of confusion in the market about PMI... and Guideline changes in general.... the above scenario may help explain why.  It is also the reason why you are probably seeing more FHA loans (If you are not seeing them, you or your buyers may be missing the boat)

 

9:09am • #1
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Robert, thank you for such a complete and informative post! I have one question on the FHA loans. Do FHA loans still maintain PMI  for the life of the loan, or do they eliminate it after 20% equity is achieved?

9:24am • #2

Thanks for sharing-I just experienced having to switch to FHA for my customer.

9:30am • #3
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Very good explanation and helpful information. I am concerned that FHA raising their MIP and required minimum down payment to 3.5% will result in a further slowdown (I've seen it personally with two clients in the last month).

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Michael: FHA is similar to Conventional. Both require you to reach 78% , and FHA says you need 5 years to drop it.  so it is not forever.

Pat, You are welcome... dont shy away from FHA it is (and always has been) a great program

Colleen, I agree with you on the down payment. from 2.25% to 3.5% doesnt sound like a lot but it is in dollars. But still much better than conventional loans... As for the MIP, the difference is only pennies each month, and with 5% down the monthly MIP is reduced from .55 to .50.

9:37am • #5
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Great Post.  Q:What's the lead time on new home loans where you are?

1:11pm • #6
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Hello Claude, Not sure if I understand your question.  By lead time, do you mean how fast to approval and closing?  A clean loan (not a perfect one, just one that is put together "right" up front prior to being handed to processing) only takes a few days to get approved, and we are still closing loans in 3 or 4 weeks. Purchase business takes the front seat and when necessary we will bump a refi to allow a purchase loan to get through to meet deadlines. We do have situations that take longer, and the cooperation of our borrowers is key to a smooth process.  We do have some LO's that are afraid to ask for documentation up front, and their loans will move at a slower pace... The basic rule of Garbage in = garbage out

2:28pm • #7
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Robert - Good post and good info for consumers to know about.  It is this exact reason that I never stopped doing FHA when everyone else was doing 80/20 and 80/15/5 and whatever else they were doing.

Personally, I think if we had more loans that were insured with some kind of mortgage insurance, we wouldn't have so many people losing their homes. JMHO.

9:47pm • #8
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Robert - Just one last thought.  This whole business of PMI companies disregarding lender program qualifying guideliens by dictating their own guidelines is a classic case of the tail wagging the dog.

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Donne, I did the same thing.. I still did the piggy backs when they made sense and gave my clients a lower payment, but I never stopped comparing them to FHA to be sure they were getting the best program available.

I just updated the blog, I realized I forgot to add in information on Second Homes.

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Thanks for adding the info on second homes.  I admit I am a complete dummy when it comes to mortgage info - I always say to my buyers to please contact a lender for info.


One of our local lenders told us that none of the PMI companies they work with are going to issue PMI on 2nd homes, which makes it difficult for people who can certainly afford the payments on a mortgage but do not have $40,000 laying around to put down on their vacation home.

11:59am • #11
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Karen, that could be an issue in your market. It the area is classified as a declining market, non of the PMI companies will insure.  If it is not a declining market it can be done with 10% down. But I am not sure how long that will last.

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Robert, An excellent PMI tutorial for home buyers in this current market,  I would like to reblog for my local market. Thanks for putting a comprehensive list together.

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Debbie, I appreciate the re-blog!  just let me update it first... there is a change on second homes coming on March 15

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This is a timely post and very important.  I just had a client ask about this and I didn't know exactly where to go for the explanation -- and now I see you have all the answers.  I find the PMI companies are calling the shots these days -- and it is very confusing.

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