Ar_home_b_search
 

     Everyone can relate to how “inhospitable” crawl spaces can be, and I am not going to delight you with more horror stories typical of those places.

     This is more about what contortions your inspector will endure to get him or her self into these spaces; and what limitations are logical and necessary to keep them out of the “hospital.”  Obviously, the fire department cutting through the living room floor to retrieve a stuck home inspector would be very embarrassing no matter what the inspector found-----it would be good blog fodder though.

     For me it is my head and shoulders----an opening of 8” by 14-1/2” will do.  If I can get my head and shoulders through the opening----I am in there.

     So what about heating/cooling ductwork in crawl spaces?  Most inspectors are usually dealing with how to get around, over or under these installations----without doing more damage to them than the last wanker did.

     But what about the INSIDE of the ductwork----does your inspector go INSIDE the ductwork if he can fit?

     Well of course I am kidding----sort of.

Seattle----land of houseboats     In a recent inspection of a houseboat of all places, I had to inspect a crawl space that was the heating system plenum----the cold air return to the furnace.  This was not the first houseboat that I had inspected but it was the first that had a crawl space (it was also not the first heated plenum I have inspected).  It is kind of weird to be in a crawl space that you know has water slapping against the foundation all around you.  The floor of the crawl space was at water level or a little below.

     One might think that this crawl space would be a water nightmare, but in reality it was one of the driest crawl spaces I have been in for quite a while----and no vents either----a great example of why venting of crawl spaces is unnecessary and should not be allowed.  By making this space what we called “conditioned” space it ultimately has no higher moisture levels than anywhere else in the house----assuming there are no plumbing leaks to fill it up.  This space has performed as designed for 26 years.

     The problem with the installation is that clearances throughout the space (1000 sq ft) were a little less than desirable----with less than 14 inches from the floor to the joists above.  When there is this little room, I am more than likely accurate in assuming that no other inspector has considered the space “accessible” since it was built 26 years ago.  This just reinforces even more the importance of me being the one that gets to do it.  It did make me wish I had a little rodent home inspection assistant like my buddy Steve.

     But no-----I get to be the rodent.

Me as plenum rodent

Charles Buell

 

 

Click on the Rose A Group by any other name. to check out:  AHA!---A Forum of Landmark Proportions---your Group

PS, for those of you that are new to my blog (or for some other "unexplained" reason have never noticed)sunsmileall pictures and smiley-face inserts (emoticons) (when I use them) have messages that show up when you point at them with your cursor.Just quack on me to subscribe

 


Raven DeCroeDeCroe, is my "etherial" home inspector assistant and occasionally flies into my blog and other people's blogs to offer assistance. To find out more about her beginnings just click on Raven.

 

 

                                                               * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

Click on the Rose A Group by any other name. to check out: AHA!---A Forum of Landmark Proportions---your Group

PS, for those of you that are new to my blog (or for some other "unexplained" reason have never noticed)sunsmileall pictures and smiley-face inserts (emoticons) (when I use them) have messages that show up when you point at them with your cursor.

My WORDLESS WEDNESDAY pictures and some selected POEMS & STORIES.

Just quack on me to subscribe

 

The Human Rights Campaign   QR code for Charles Buell Inspections Inc  ASHI.org

 
Post is included in group: AR My Name is Cheryl
Post is included in group: Home Inspector's Corner
Post is included in group: Puget Sound - WA Real Estate
Post is included in group: The Ninety-ninth Percentile
Post is included in group: FREEDOM Office: Professionals Working from Home

58 Comments on The Inspector as Rodent!

FEB
26
2009

It is a good thing that you are not afraid of tight spaces! That does not look like fun.

9:08am • #1
1 Featured Post

8"x14 1/2"????? Thats smaller than a crawlspace vent opening. I would really like to see you squeeze through that. That might even be worth the cost of admission.

Since I have never been on a houseboat, I had no idea how they are made. Pretty cool.

9:09am • #2
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Brent---nope, tight spaces have never bothered me.

9:12am • #3
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Jack----there are several different approaches to floating these things.  The early ones were just on giant cedar logs (there are still a few)----the newer ones---like this one are a reinforced concrete tank filled with foam and capped with concrete.

9:14am • #4
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Jack---regarding the size of the opening.  that was the size of the one I am going through in the picture and there were 3 of them in the crawl space and I had to go through each one twice.

9:22am • #5
447,306 Points 8 Featured Posts

I am surprised there was a crawl space in a houseboat!  I have heard of inspectors refusing to go into crawl spaces that were very accessible.. Not fair to the people writing the check!

9:26am • #6
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Robert, we have had claustrophobic students----not a good thing for a home inspector.

9:30am • #7
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Karen, I hope you are wearing a dust mask:)

9:45am • #9
269,874 Points 59 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

Charles - This would be #1,870,413 on my list of reasons why I am an agent and not a home inspector.  I couldn't even conceive of doing that.

10:05am • #10
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Matt it is truely amazing how many different definitions of "fun" there are!:)

10:08am • #11
431,151 Points 72 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

I have squeezed through small attic access scuttles, but never have I inspected the inside of duct work. You know it's tight when you have to take off the tool belt to get in.

10:22am • #12
728,790 Points 164 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Charles, I think you may want to consider using the "crawl space" photo on your business cards.  And where the heck is nusty when you need him?

10:38am • #13
2 Featured Posts

Charles,

     I guess me being from Arkansas I had never thought about house boats.  Never crossed my mind that you would actually inspect one or sell one for that matter.  Thanks for sharing!

10:39am • #14
547,416 Points 15 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Charles, I'm voting for home inspectors charging more if they have to go in spaces like that.  In fact, I admire anyone who can crawl around under a house or boat!  You need to use that picture for your blog!  It would attract more attention than Elvis.

10:39am • #15

Charles,

Gosh!  That was a tight space.  I couldn't be a home inspector, I can't stand insects and snakes, but I am glad others can do it!

11:44am • #16
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

James for me tight is when I have to take my glasses out of my inside pocket to get through the hole:)

Alan, OK---I will try it:)  Nutsy is everywhere when you don't need him.

Barbara, the problem is that there is no way to know until you are on site----usually:)

Mary----if we had a lot of poisonous snakes It would make me nervous too.

12:08pm • #17
176,410 Points

Crawl space in a house boat? Sounds to me like a fairly ify proposition.  Yoy can have all I get.  I don't even like the ones on dry (or somewhat dry) land when they are that small.  I do them just prior to getting stuck.

12:17pm • #18
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Jack some of them you would need scuba gear to inspect:)  I have seen them on the old cedar logs where the logs are completly submerged and the house sits on posts on the logs----all water underneath.  Needless to say I do not have scuba gear and am not much of a swimmer:)

Jamew----good plan---but mine are only for reading---I hate wandering around the crawl space with everything out of focus:)

12:24pm • #20
118,339 Points

That looks much preferable to the crawl spaces that I have been in.  When I was inspecting, I actually liked it when there were crawl spaces since that's where you find most of the defects. I agree that you should use this photo on your advertising.

12:36pm • #21
228,471 Points 10 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor

Charles, love the photo of you inside the crawl space.  But I wonder who took the photo?  That must be where the rodent comes in, eh!

Your blog is now featured at http://activerain.com/groups/virtualoffice -- Regina P. Brown

1:03pm • #22
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Regina----thanks for the feature!  I knew someone would ask who took the picture----that would be the cameras time delay function:)

Steve---you are right this was a dang nice crawl space except for the clearances.

1:15pm • #23
1,103,903 Points 45 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Mr Charles,

Is that a re-inspect. I believe that, when I was running your firm in December, I inspected that same houseboat. Tell Mr Alan that I been there and done that.

Nutsy, a real rodent in a houseboat

PS-- you should be wearing gloves!

1:27pm • #24
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

I saw that coming----nice gloves by the way:)

1:30pm • #25
177,611 Points 2 Featured Posts Outside Blog

8" by 14-1/2" and right on the water. Wow ... I'm just over 5 feet tall  and 120 lbs. Not so sure I would do it. I do say this from the heart ... "Charles, Better you than me". The picture is priceless.

2:22pm • #26
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Suesan---try this one.  Back when as a builder I used to insulate attics, I would cut a hole in the roof so that we would not have to run the insulation hose through the house.  The smallest hole we would cut for access was 12" x 12"----so that we could cover it with a roof vent when we were done.  It was never easy---but I got pretty good a wiggling through that hole:)  An 8x14 is way easier.

2:32pm • #27
1,103,903 Points 45 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Mr Charles,

Brag, brag, brag about tight fits. I could take all of my living relatives through a 12 x 12 inch hole...all at the same time. I have hundreds of relatives.

Nutsy at the keyboard...please.... you are not that scrawny.

 

2:58pm • #28
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Nutsy---speaking of fits---have they stopped yet?----are the new meds working?

Alan---even when they are all the same?

3:24pm • #30
614,373 Points 164 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

So, you've gone from DB Cooper with glasses to Hannibal Lecter with the (very cool) face mask!  That has to be one of the more interesting avatars on the AR site!  14.5 inches you say?  Do you transform into Elongated Man when you need?!  I can see where that superpower can come in handy as a home inspector!  You have broadened my horizon and enlightened my world!  A gracious thank you!

You are right, and despite the Nutster's claim otherwise, you are almost certainly the first home inspector in there, well, the first anybody in there, since the 12 year old who put in that duct work.  You da man!  You da Elongated Man!!

4:44pm • #31
614,373 Points 164 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Nice space.  Would be a great fit.  Too dry...

 

Very kindly,

 

Croakster

4:45pm • #32
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Jay---just call me gumby:)  By the way, all of the ductwork, and plumbing was installed prior to putting down the plywood deck---no 12 year olds involved (hopefully).

Croakster---I would love chasing you around in there.

Alan---do you actually remember that old show "Name that Tune"?

4:53pm • #34
431,151 Points 72 Featured Posts Called Shot Master

Hey Alan that is Elvis. If your old enough for Elvis, you're just that freakin' old.:)

6:00pm • #36
125,417 Points 1 Featured Post Hit Router Attended Rain Camp

It makes sense that the crawl space on a house boat would be the driest because they would have taken the most precautions against it.  And if someone does do a blog about getting stuck and freed from a crawl space... there better be pictures!

6:37pm • #37
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Tony---one would like to think that greater precautions were taken----for sure.

6:42pm • #39
547,416 Points 15 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Charles, I see you did use the picture!! It is scarier than a dead raven!  I'm not getting comments back so didn't see all this delightful Nutsy dialogue.  What am I doing wrong?  I just went up there and clicked notify me of comments and it said subscribe.  When I clicked subscribe it said I'd asked to quit being notified about this blog update or comments.  LOL

9:14pm • #40
415,283 Points 22 Featured Posts Outside Blog

@Barbara - they don't want us to follow - to where no man/squirrel has gone before... or should I say where many men have gone and gotten stuck (not the slippery squirrels) . BTW Hope you will keep your new photo on you profile - I love it! ~Rita

10:19pm • #41
121,831 Points Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

I'm getting claustrophobic just looking at that photo. Who was on the other end to snap that pic?

11:08pm • #42
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Barbara you better listen to Raven:)  I only get comments notification on my own posts---pain in the butt

Raven DeCroe

Thanks Rita----I will keep it for a while anyway.

11:10pm • #43
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Jim----I was alone with my camera and its timer function:)

11:20pm • #44

Some days one is better off staying in bed.Jeez Charlie!

You da Man!!!  8in. by 14-1/2in! That's tight.

Here's me getting all 262 pounds through a hatch that's 9in by 20in. The client was convinced that I'd never get through the hatch let along thorugh the entire crawl. We B sick, Bro!

Mike O'Handley, Editor - The Inspector's Journal (TIJ)

11:33pm • #45
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Mike---you got me by 115 llbs---so proportionally that is probably about right----yup----we be sick:)

11:54pm • #46
FEB
27
2009
614,373 Points 164 Featured Posts Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Alan and James - forget Elvis.  That's ANN MARGARET!

3:57am • #47
269,874 Points 59 Featured Posts Outside Blog Called Shot Master

This is why I come to an inspector's blog.  I have more respect for you all everytime I read the stories on posts like these.  Thanks.  Thanks for being brave enough to do it and good enough to explain it all to me and my clients.  We may hate handing you a check, but we do love your work.

HOORAY FOR INSPECTORS!

10:05am • #48
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Jay---don't think about Ann Margaret,----don't think about Ann Margaret,---don't think about Ann Margaret,---don't think about Ann Margaret,---don't think about Ann Margaret:)

Matt, thanks---most of us do try to go the extra mile for our buyers. 

10:15am • #49
176,410 Points

Don't have much trouble getting in or out, it's the d__n turnaround that gets me. The dog doesn't care much for water, so I don't think he'd like boats.

1:25pm • #50
300,676 Points 55 Featured Posts Localism Sponsor Outside Blog

Charlie - Your looking very serious! Was it the fear of the unknown? I love that picture ! 

1:44pm • #51

I would say inside ductwork in a houseboat is "going the extra mile" . good Job Charles!!!

But tell me... did you also put on scuba gear to inspect the underside of the houseboat too?

1:47pm • #52
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Jack, you are right----the turn arounds are a pain----I hate when I have to back all the way out:)

Carol----glad you like the picture---I will probably keep it up for a while:)

Kevin----no scuba gear for me!

2:22pm • #53

WOW...You do this for a living? You must really enjoy your job. Hats off to you for doing what you do.

10:05pm • #54
FEB
28
2009
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Shelly---a living?  Purely for fun:)

10:41am • #55
1,103,903 Points 45 Featured Posts Outside Blog

Mr Charles,

If you weigh 115 pounds, you weigh a lot more than me.

11:57am • #56
750,674 Points 100 Featured Posts Outside Blog Attended Rain Camp Called Shot Master

Nutsy---I see you have amazing math skills as well as nice gloves.

12:02pm • #57
MAR
24
Different people all over the world get the loan in various banks, just because it is easy.
JULIET31Walter
5:08pm • #61

What does the graphic say?

Leave a response…



(optional)
What does the graphic say?
 
Selfoldstylemovie Ambassador_large

Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector

Seattle, WA

More about me…

Charles Buell Inspections.com

Address: Seattle, Shoreline, Everett, Lynnwood, Bothel, Kirkland, Bellevue, Mercer Island, Edmonds, Renton, King County, 17123 22nd Ave NE, Shoreline (Seattle), WA, 98155

Office Phone: (206) 478-7371

Cell Phone: (206) 478-7371

Email Me

My blog is intended to provide information related to home inspections in Seattle, surrounding communities and anyone else interested. Sometimes I will provide information that has nothing to do with home inspections. Enjoy!

Enter your email address:

Delivered by FeedBurner



Listings

Links

Archives

RSS 2.0 Feed for this blog

Find WA real estate agents and Seattle real estate on ActiveRain.