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Days of Our Fathers

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Real Estate Agent with CENTURY 21 All Islands

My father used to tell me when I was a young boy, "Pray that there never is another Great Depression!". He would go on to say things like, "A loaf of bread would only cost 5 cents, and boy, how we wished we could get our hands on a nickel." No doubt about it, the depression was a tough time to live through, and my parents generation never forgot the lessons they learned from it.

 

They learned to be frugal, to the point of pinching pennies until they screamed. They didn't buy things until they had the money to pay for it, and they didn't believe in debt. My parents were in that club that canned the vegetables they grew in the  old 'Victory Garden", who went  to the bank every month to make the mortgage payment, and had a party where they actually burned the paid off note. Compare their lives to the generations that came after them; the Yuppies, the Generations X and Y, the Internet Generation and whatever else we've spawned in recent times.

 

Being a Baby Boomer myself, I have a much better sense of how the depression era generation approached life than those that followed us. I remember how frugal my parents used to, even had to be. With the economy being characterized as being in the worst shape since the Great Depression, the national debt ballooning to  the largest in history, all of us are going to be making changes in our attitudes about debt, money, and consumerism. The time has come for all of us to remember how to live like my parents generation lived. 

Unfortunately, the stimulus plan is designed to have us perpetuate the lifestyles of the present, rather than to emulate the discipline of our forebears.

In spite of the urging of the pundits for Americans to begin borrowing and spending our way out of the economic slowdown, I am making personal vows to change the way I live, and spend, and consume:

  • I will not use credit unless absolutely necessary
  • Before I make any kind of purchase, I will determine if the purchase is absolutely necessary
  • I will pay off my debts
  • I will reassess my spending priorities. I can give to a charity before buying unneeded junk..
  • I will use my savings account to actually save
  • I will be responsible for the financial consequences of my decisions

That being said, I hope that by sharing my personal reassessment and lifestyle choices, you might be moved to make changes of your own. I am sure that if everyone made the choices I am making, the economy would probably go into a steepr decline, and take even longer to recover. However, I am just one person, and the decisions I am making will require commitment and discipline to have any results.

I really think there aren't enough of us that have the discipline and resolve to make these choices, to result in a noticeable negative effect on the larger dynamics of the nations economy. After all, discipline, responsibility and resolve...these were qualities of the generation of our fathers, not ours.

Shelly Fisher
Lake Burton Club Realty-Clayton Ga - Clayton, GA
Property Specialist - Lake Burton Club, Rabun County

Great comments about this situation.  I unfortunaly was never given much advice about money from my parents except to go get  a job.  But I'm trying to instill better habits into my young children who already have savings accounts.  Although my husband and myself have never lived above our means.  I have also learned some lessons.  We are making less money these last few months(my husband is a real estate appraiser) but I am saving more then I ever have.  It' about prioritys.  I agree it's time to stop trying to keep up with the Jones's. 

Feb 28, 2009 03:53 AM
Michael S. Mackey
CENTURY 21 All Islands - Mililani, HI
REALTOR ABR, CRS, GRI, RSPS

Shelly Fisher (Luxury Mountain Lakes Real Estate) 

Shelly, I applaud your teaching your children to be financially responsible. If the nation is ever going to have a chance of solving the problems it faces, we must start with the children. Mindlessly keeping up with the Jones's is a large part of cause of our financial ills. Thanks for commenting!

Feb 28, 2009 06:30 AM
Anonymous
Elly

Micheal,

I really liked what you wrote and I see you are from C21 so, although this is off topic of frugality it is right on regarding ethics. I know of an agent for C21 in Chattanooga. He has an office also in Cleveland, TN which he calls something unrelated to C21, LLC, and rents properties with renters mailing to the limited liability corporation. Meanwhile, what he has listed in the phone book for his-non C21 biz is the biz name and ha calls it a real estate management company. He owns half a cemetary as well. None of his properties are managed because he spends all of his time in Chattanooga, with the exception of about half hour most mornings when he berates his staff for not doing things he told them not to do. The "managemen"t company has no permanent staff, only temps or IC's who think they have a real job-inotherwords, they have to show up every day and they may or may not be told to go home. The Cleveland company does not appear to have a license and it doesn't have insurance. The properties "managed" are inherited. There are between forty and four hundred of them. The owner of these properties changes his biz mailing address once a year and uses a po box for correspondence. He operates under at least four but more like six active assumed names, and one inactive. He discourages renters from using certified mail although his leases insist on it if one would like repairs done. The townspeople refer to him, politely in a whisper, as a slumlord (they say it like they are saying "cancer"). My question is this: If you are affiliated with C21 and have taken the required ethics classes, would you not be subject to the same laws as any professional would regardless of whether your licensed activity was for one office or another?

Also, out of curiousity, what is your take on what this person might be doing?

Mar 01, 2009 08:17 AM
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Michael S. Mackey
CENTURY 21 All Islands - Mililani, HI
REALTOR ABR, CRS, GRI, RSPS

HI Elly - Let me answer your second question first: "Also, out of curiousity, what is your take on what this person might be doing?". Obviously, any illegal activity that this person may be involved in is despicable, and should be reported to the proper authorities. If he is operating a business without a license, that appears to be an illegasl activity to me. Changing his business name, mailing address, etc. seem to indicate that he is trying to hide illegal activity.

As to the other points regarding this person, let me answer in two parts:

  1. Most large real estate offices are operated as independent franchises. That is true for C21, Coldwell Banker, Prudential, Re/Max etc. Each independent office usually establishes rules that their associates, within the framework of the franchise agreements, must adhere to. There are rules that some franchise offices may have that another office with a franchise from the same parent company may not have. For instance, at the franchise that I am affiliated with, we can only manage properties for one single owner. If we manage our own property, we are considered to be managing for that single owner, ourselves. Also, we cannot participate in the capacity as a loan officer or mortgage broker. Other C21 franchise offices may or may not have these same rules in place, I don't know. Other offices for the other brokerages I am sure are subject to the same possibilities. 
  2. Regardless of the franchise that an agent is affiliated with, every business person should be ethical and honest in their practice. If an agent is a member of the National Association of Realtors (NAR), they are subject to the NAR's Code of Ethics and Standards of Practice. Violating these codes makes one liable to disciplinary actions, up to and including fines, suspensions and loss of license. This is in addition to any civil or criminal liabilities. If an agent is not affiliated with the NAR, then the NAR has no pursuasion, and only civil and criminal jurisdiction applies.

Whoever this person is, if you are concerned that what they are doing is not only unethical, but also illegal, I would encourage you to notify the proper authorities in your city, county and/or state.

Thank you for bringing your concerns to our attention here. Unscrupulous licensees in our industry reflect badly on all the rest of us who try to maintain high ethical and business standards.

Mar 01, 2009 12:43 PM
Not a real person
San Diego, CA

Hey, Michael.

So I guess you remember layaways, too, huh? It's a different generation, now. I call it the "I want it now" generation.

Mar 03, 2009 05:27 PM
Michael S. Mackey
CENTURY 21 All Islands - Mililani, HI
REALTOR ABR, CRS, GRI, RSPS

Russel Ray, San Diego home inspector (Russel Ray, Property Consultant)

You said it! Not only do they want it now, they feel that it's owed to them, by virtue of them just being. One of my nephews, for example, refused to work unless he would be paid at least $20/hr.  This was back in the early 90's. He is in his late 30's now and still leaches off of his grandparents (my parents). He's never had a job of any consequence, never graduated from college, etc. He is an unfortunate representative example of a large part of his generation.

Mar 04, 2009 02:04 AM
1SG (Ret.) David Kucic
Hawaii Military Realty, Inc. - Ewa Beach, HI
President and Owner

I remember my dad saying that "If its not a house or a car and I cant pay for it in cash then I am not buying it".  I think he was like your parents.

Your philosophy on how to be frugal with your personal life is a great way to live no matter if we are in a recession or our economy is booming. 

Aloha!

Mar 06, 2009 12:23 AM
Ellie McIntire
Ellicott City Clarksville Howard County Maryland Real Estate - Ellicott City, MD
Luxury service in Central Maryland

My Parents were not the most fiscally responsible. Thankfully I learned very early that I did not want to follow their example.

Mar 06, 2009 11:01 AM
Michael S. Mackey
CENTURY 21 All Islands - Mililani, HI
REALTOR ABR, CRS, GRI, RSPS

David Kucic (RE/MAX Honolulu of Kapolei Hawaii)

First Sgt. Kucic, Sir! Thank you for visiting, and for your comments.

Ellie McIntire Real Estate in Howard County Maryland (The McIntire Team of Long & Foster)

Ellie, thank you for sharing your hard earned lesson. We each have to be personally responsible for our own lives, but having to grow up with a bad role model is an exceptional challenge. Kudos to you for your achievement!

Mar 06, 2009 12:13 PM
Khash Saghafi NMLS
Liberty Home Mortgage Corporation - Cleveland, OH
Mortgage Loan Officer, Cleveland OH NMLS 1114762

Hello Michael,

  If my parents read your post, I would get yelled at for all of the stupid things that I spend my money on and my mom would want to call you to have you talk to me (lol).  Thank god that they are not members of Active Rain (my father still likes our 1979 TV set and constantly pulls it out in front of the 65" widescreen my brothers and I bought him a few years ago (he says they don't make tv's like they used to and, by the way, our 65" broke recently (LOL)).  I was blessed that my parents lead by example.  I used to think that my dad told me to do things because he just wanted to give me something to do.  Little did I know that it was for times like we are in today that he was truly getting me ready for.  I have tightened my belt and made cuts and your post has only re-enforced those same sentiments again and I thank you for that.  I think that I need to read more posts like yours rather than lending guidelines and statistics.

Mar 11, 2009 02:57 PM
Russel Ray, San Diego Business & Marketing Consultant & Photographer
Russel Ray - San Diego State University, CA

Several years ago the San Diego Reader did an exposé on high school graduation gifts. Gifts ranged from movie tickets, $20 gift cards, new clothes, etc., for the common folk. For the rich folks, gifts included Mercedes S Class, BMW 760i, 18-foot sailboats, summer in Europe, etc. One guy got gifts each time he moved on to a higher grade. Another got a Mercedes for improving his grades from C's to B's. Yep, the entitlement generation is here.

Mar 15, 2009 04:49 AM
Regina P. Brown
MBA Broker Consultants - Carlsbad, CA
M.B.A., Broker, Instructor

Michael, I agree that the pendulum has swung too far in one direction.... don't worry, it will correct itself, and today's generation of "gimme" will be totally unprepared.

Join my new AR group and post your blog at http://activerain.com/groups/virtualoffice

Regina P. Brown

Mar 15, 2009 03:40 PM
Michael S. Mackey
CENTURY 21 All Islands - Mililani, HI
REALTOR ABR, CRS, GRI, RSPS

Khash Saghafi Mortgage Loan Officer Cleveland Ohio Mortgages (Cardinal Banc&Mortgage Corporation) Khash, thank you for responding, and joining in on what I hope will become a national credit revolution!

Russel Ray, San Diego Marketing & Business Consultant (Russel Ray) Russel, thanks for this comment. These examples you mention are indicative of the craziness our consumerism has resulted in. Time for a change, wouldn't you agree?

Regina P. Brown Real Estate on the California Coast You said it Regina. Thanks for the invite to your group!

Apr 08, 2009 10:27 AM