Steve Smith did an excellent blog about home inspectors and the issue of inspecting roofs. 

      For those who still don't understand the importance of Home Inspectors getting on the roof to do a proper inspection of the roof I am including a couple of pictures that show areas of roofs that could never be assessed properly from the ground or from ladders.  The home inspector is in the best position to provide this information for the consumer as opposed to the Roofing Contractor that has a vested interest in fixing and replacing roofs.
    
My advice to buyers (or inspectors) that will not inspect these roofs-----find a home inspector that will.

 

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Via Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection):
Is a home inspector incompetent if he or she does not, as a general rule, traverse roofs?

At one time it would have been safe to say "no, failure to go on the roof does not make an inspector incompetent". However, as client expectations change, and many in the industry strive to improve the credibility of home inspectors, I think that the answer to that question is now bobbing in the surf. As the public and the industry demand better home inspections, that is good for the consumer.

Let's look at some of the changes that are emerging. The old standards, used seemingly forever by the better-known home inspector organizations, were written to make it easy for an inspector to opt out of walking on a roof -- even low-sloped and flat roofs.

NAHI says:

"The inspector will, if possible, inspect the roof surface and components from arms-length or with binoculars from the ground."

 NACHI says:

"The inspector is not required to walk on any pitched roof surface."

ASHI says:

"The inspector is not required to walk on the roofing."

So, under those rules, if so inclined, an inspector can pull-up on-site, knowing full well that he or she will not try to walk the roof. Heck, there are no violations of standards, no explanations required, just tell the clients you do not do roofs. Do these people realize they are home inspectors? If an inspector cannot traverse even a simple single-story roof that is flat, or 3/12 slope with three-tab shingles, should that person with that attitude be a home inspector at all? Sure, some people are afraid of roofs and heights, but we hope that does not include those who are working as home inspectors.

Here is why I think changes are in the wind. First, I saw an article online from CREIA. CREIA (California Real Estate Inspection Association) flat-out states that any inspector who does not normally walk the roof may not be doing a "competent" job. There is no state inspector licensing in California but CREIA, a non-profit, voluntary association, provides education, training, and support services to the real estate inspection industry and to the public. They state that their Standards of Practice have been recognized by the State of California, and are considered to be the source for Home Inspector Standard of Care by the real estate and legal communities.

Okay, so they have been around more than 30 years and they have credibility. So let us look at what they tell Californians, consumers, who are looking at hiring a home inspector:

"A detailed roof evaluation is a standard part of every competent home inspection. Home inspectors typically inspect a roof by walking on the surface, as this is the best way to observe and evaluate all pertinent conditions. There are some conditions that could keep an inspector off the roof (barring these circumstances, a competent inspector should include a walk on the roof)". The conditions they list include: The surface is too high for access with a normal length ladder; The roofing is so deteriorated that foot traffic would cause further damage; Surface conditions such as snow, ice, moisture, or moss make the roof too slippery; The roofing consists of tiles that might break under foot pressure; The sellers have told the inspector to stay off the roof

The intent is clear -- the inspector should arrive on-site prepared to walk the roof. Any decision, not to go on the roof, should be based on conditions found at the site, not pre-conceived policies that exclude walking the surface of the roof. Put simply, if one is not walking the roof, that should be the exception and not the rule. I always arrive prepared to traverse the roof, sometimes circumstances are such that I cannot.

This policy, expecting more from home inspectors, does not stop in California. The Washington State Home Inspector Licensing Advisory Board has put even stronger language in the Standards of Practice for this state. These standards become law in September.

Roofs.

The inspector will: 

Traverse the roof to inspect it.

There it is. Again, the intent is clear. The licensed home inspector, by law, must be willing to traverse roofs. There are times when an inspector cannot and should not go on the roof. The board is aware of that and there are "outs" in the law, as there must be.

But, if as a general practice, an inspector does not walk roofs, he or she is violating the law as written. There were some members on the board who wanted even stronger language in this regard. It would have mandated full disclosure to clients, when the inspection was booked, that the inspector does not go on roofs.

The bottom line: No inspector can walk every roof and some roofs are plain unsafe or could be damaged. But inspectors who have a policy of not going on roofs at all, or do not have an open-mind about it, are leaving out an important part of the home inspection. Fact is, it can be hard to detect roof and flashing problems even when you are up on the roof, let alone when you are on the ground or trying to stand on an incline to get a look. You have a better chance of inspecting fine details, appurtenances and flashings if you are actually up on the roof.

My view is that, to intentionally and as standard practice, to avoid roofs is a marginal effort on the part of the inspector -- to say the least. The inspector, later, writing into the report some generic mumbo-jumbo language -- called covering your rear -- suggesting that a roofer ought to get up there and check the roof at a later date is a poor substitute for, in the words of CREIA, a competent home inspection in the first place.

Steven L. Smith

Bellingham WA Home Inspections

 
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22 Comments on Home Inspection: Not Walking the Roof -- A Sign of Incompetence?

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01
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Charles - Thank you for this exhaustive presentation of the importance of inspectors actually getting up on the roof when they do their inspections. Most roofs in my area are easliy accessed and have minimal slopes, so there should be no excuse for not doing so. Still there are plenty inspectors who don't do it. I'll make sure and onlyu recommend those who do.

1:00pm • #1
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I would have no objection to a home inspector saying that a particular roof is unsafe to walk.  I've seen some.  Nor do I have any objection to a home inspector stating that a roof is beyond it's useful life and should be replaces. 

Not important for my buyer clients because when I see a roof that obvious is old, swolen, curled, etc., I would already have made a new roof a condition of the contract.  So, walking the roof wouldn't be necessary.

We have to use some common sense.  I wouldn't expect an inspector to walk a roof just for the sake of walking a roof. 

1:02pm • #2
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Michael---yes, it is amazing to see these roofs that are not properly inspected when they are under 6/12 pitch.  I have had roofs that I couldn't get on at the time of inspection and gone back later with climbing gear----it is all up the individual inspector, their comfort level, their experience, and the particular roof being inspected.  I have had roofs that were so steep and that I could see so much of from the ground and from ladders that there seemed to be no justification for getting on it.  These are pretty rare though.

Lenn, I certainly have no problem with declaring a roof "toast" when it is---whether it is lightly burned or on fire---metaphorically:)

1:10pm • #3

Charles,

I have to say that the first photo made me pause. I would not be going up that slope or that valley. I have to assume that photo was taken from a point that was not accessed from that valley. 

I try to walk any roof that is less than 6/12, and maybe a little steeper if I feel it is safe. However we have many roofs that are 10/12 or 12/12, and just too steep for my taste.

While I saw many wood shingle and shake roofs in CA, I see very few in TN. Same for tiles. But I do see a lot of moss here.

I agree that many inspectors will take the easy way out with walking roofs and entering attics. 

1:12pm • #4

Great post and re-blog.  You and Steve have brought up a subject that is dear to my heart.  I loose inspections to the 199 specials (and lately 129 specials) who don't walk roofs, don't go in crawl spaces (without extra charge that isn't advertised), and won't crawl an attic if they can get out of it.  One call recently asked if I would do the inspection for my competitors price. My response was, "would you like me to do his style inspection?"

1:44pm • #5
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Jack I see a few roofs 10/12 or steeper----the steeper they are the easier it is to see what is going on from a ladder and making an "educated" opinion about the necessity for further evaluation or not.  It is more about "intent" that doing "every" roof that comes along.

Jack---I can assure you that anybody that is doing $129.00 inspections is providing absolutely no value to their buyer----the buyer might as well spend the $129.00 on lottery tickets or the horses.

1:53pm • #6

Massachusetts law states:

the Inspector shall not be required to:

1. Walk on the roof unless in the opinion of the Home Inspector he/she is provided Safe Access, and the Seller and/or the Seller's Representative provides

authorization that relieves the Inspector of all liability of possible damage to the roofing components, and in the opinion of the Inspector, walking on the roof will

pose no risk of personal injury or damage to the roofing components.

Many realtors have no problem with allowing me to walk on a roof as long as I promise not to fall off, some refuse because they don't want to be held liable for anything that could go wrong. Personally I will walk on the roof if I feel that I can do so safely and getting on the roof will let me see something that I cannot see from the ground. More often than not, I inspect the roof from the ground with binoculars and a digital camera with an awesome zoom. I don't think that makes Massachusetts inspectors incompetent, only compliant.

Kevin

2:24pm • #7
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Kevin----man, what a bummer for the consumer----sure home that law isn't contagious:)  It would seem as though any buyer that wanted the roof inspected could easily have this "liability waiver" written into the contract---but what do  I know.  It would be interesting to get some feed back from some Massachusetts agents.

2:34pm • #8
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I had already read Steve's blog and you've added great content!!

5:16pm • #9
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Hi Charles, Thanks for sharing Steven's blog post.  He definitely included some interesting roof pictures!  My favorite home inspector does do roofs, unless they are especially dangerous for some reason.

6:01pm • #10
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Thanks Barbara---I don't like these re-blogs unless I am using them in a way I can add more infomation.

Cheryl---yes, the inspector must use good judgement as to what roofs he can get on safely---we all have different comfort levels.

6:05pm • #11

Kevin,

That's an interesting paragraph. Do you know who authored/instigated it? It looks almost as if it were authored by an inspector when it says that the seller must provide a waiver to the inspector but that doesn't make much sense because we all carry professional liability insurance for the very purpose of paying damage for anything we do onsite. 

Nonetheless, I don't think it's been a serious impediment to inspectors in Mass. One of my best friends in this business is Jimmy Morrison, who's up your way, and he tells me he's on roofs all the time. His father was in inspector there for many years before he passed on; now Jimmy and his brother do the inspections. I'll shoot him an email to find out they've been dealing with that.

Mike O'Handley, Editor - The Inspector's Journal (TIJ) - - Your Inspector Inc., Kenmore, WA, 425-298-8413

11:21pm • #12
MAR
02

Charles,  Here in good old frozen Ohio, we have had a particularly rough winter this year, and snow and ice have covered roofs most of this season. THAT makes inspecting roofs not only impossible to get on, but also impossible to even see for the most part, except for the few spots under eaves or sometimes roof edges where you may get a glimpse of the roofing. ( I have been able to actually get on maybe 5 roofs all winter long).

The best I feel you can do in these cases, is to do a very thorough inspection of the attic, looking particularly for stains or signs of leaking. Chipping off a foot of ice and snow to see maybe one or two shingles, with the distinct possibility of damaging them in the process, holds little or no appeal to anyone.

Offering to go back and inspect the roof after it clears is something I always do, but it is usually way too late to matter for the sales transaction by the time you get to go back and do it.

Under normal, safe conditions, I always try to get on the roof. When it is not safe or for some other reason can't be walked on, it means carrying my ladder to several locations to get as close as possible to as many areas as possible, using binoculars, digital zoom, looking out from windows inside the house, and any other available means.

5:35am • #13
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Kevin, it sounds like you do what you can.  My experience is if there aren't any water intrusion issues in the attic----there is a pretty good chance that there won't be any other issues on the roof that would be a deal breaker.  Anyone signing off on an inspection where the roof is buried in snow should be prepared financially to replace the roof.  Having you back to check it when it is visible is also a good idea----I have had to do that a few times.  We don't get the months of continuous coverage like you though:)

9:32am • #14
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Kevin,

You got the right attitude. There are tons of roofs that nobody should be up on. The problem I have is people who just flat will not even think about going on the roof ever. That, in my book, is a lousy attitude for an inspector. Some such inspectors will tell you how they can see everything standing on the ground. Yeah right, like multi-layer roofs (sometimes) condition of felts (if there are any). Sometimes you can tell those things from the eaves on a ladder. But even if a roof is a tear-off knowing that info is valuable in letting the client better understand what replacement costs might be. What gets me is the group of inspectors, and there are several, who read this and have a tantrum. They act like I am saying they need to get on all roofs. NOT. They need to read it again, an inspector will access a roof if it is safe and does not damage the roof. I even had a photo in a recent blog, showing a roof covered with snow. I am not going up there. But if I never went on the roof, would not even consider it ever, I would feel that I was merely walking through the motions of doing an inspection.

12:02pm • #15
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Are there actually inspectors who refuse to get on the roof as a rule?  That is crazy!?  Makes you wonder how thorough the rest of the inspection really is.

12:46pm • #16
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Steve----you know I agree with you.

Tony and Libby, yes believe it or not there are.  This is important information for agents to know so that they provide the best recommendations for their buyers in choosing an inspector.

12:50pm • #17
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I think the HI should at least make a gallant attempt to see if the roof is 'mushy'.  If it is, adios down the ladder and write it up as so.  That one pic of the roof with the V shape is best suited for a hands on inspection - if you can get there without killing yourself! 

1:10pm • #18

Great job guys. Why, as an inspector, would you not want to go on the roof? From a liability standpoint alone, I think you at least need to make an effort. Too many issues can be present that we need to report on, that could come back to haunt our business if we are not at least putting forth the effort. A NO ROOF policy is ridiculous if you ask me.

9:14pm • #19
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Lyn, way too many roofs have similiar things that can not be assessed from the ground----plus many, many other things that aren't directly related to the roof surface----flashings, chimneys, skylights, gutters, etc.

Ian, you bring up a good point about liability being higher if you don't go on the roof than if you do.  Inspectors just need to be trained to walk on the various types of roofs and understand when and how it is safe to do so.  Inspectors that are not so educated are either poorly educated or not educated at all.

10:51pm • #20
JUN
04

I wnat to know what roofs you won't go on. What size ladder do you carry. What is the maximum pitch you will walk on.

Matt
1:33pm • #21
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Matt, it would vary with the roof----different circumstances like weather and types of materials could be a factor regardless of pitch, height etc.  Generally I don't like to go on roofs greater than 10/12 unless I can get to the ridge to move along that.  I have a 32 foot ladder for 3 story townhouse.

7:12pm • #22

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