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Like A Dark Cloud: When Comments Get Ugly And Personal

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Services for Real Estate Pros with RealSatisfied

Outside of ActiveRain, It's No Holds Barred.

Inside ActiveRain, there are "guidelines" that keep things civil. This is true the vast, vast majority of the time. Everyone has a common objective and the community supports it's members. Personal attacks are heavily frowned upon. But they have been known to happen.

What Do You Do When Someone Goes On The Attack?

project blogger logoLast week we legally finalized the adoption of our two little girls. It was a joyous day for our family and my wife.  Later that day, after watching a show on Orphans in Africa, Rocky quickly put out a post entitled, Two Less Orphans In The World. I'm not sure she's ever used the word orphan to refer to our girls before, but she did it this time because of the context... legally, in California, our girls were termed orphans. And she did it because of the news story she had just watched before writing the post.

She was happy. She wanted to share her joy. She expressed her hopes for their future, as any parent might. It seemed like an innocent, feel good post to me. 

Until the first comment came.

"You represent everything I abhor in adoption."

Then the second...

"Adoption is meant to be all about the child - not all about what you want."

Then the third...

"Why not put $30,000 into improving their community and country instead of using it to pay they adoption agency? These children already have a family."

How would you react? What would you say?

Rocky came to me, hurt and angry. She was completely thrown off guard by the comments. Her instinct, was to attack back. She came to me because she knew that wouldn't be my approach.

She had several options:

  • attack back
  • delete the comments
  • ignore the comments
  • try to understand their point of view

Call me crazy. But I like the last option and that's why I'm writing this post.

It turned out her post had been commented on inside an adoptee forum that didn't like her use of the word "orphan." They only recognize the primary American Heritage definition of the term - someone who has lost both parents to death. We didn't know this at the time. And I can't do this justice here without you reading the comment strings, which include comments from Julie Ferenzi. But my advice to Rocky was this... "accept up front that they may have a perspective we can learn from and use this opportunity to find out what it is. Try to engage them in a discussion that will benefit everyone." She agreed.

If You Can Turn It Around, Everyone Wins. 

My goal with the advice was to respond in a way that was consistent with our values, that modeled how we would want to be treated and to try to draw in more readers for her blog in the process. 

If you read the entire string of comments you'll see that the "try to engage" strategy did not work on that single post. And after the commenter said to me, "you’re not a physically attractive person, I can tell by the way you write," Rocky decided to take the discussion off Mothers Fighting For Others and over to Muthahood.com. I even tried some humor.

What we found out by continuing to engage, without insulting back, is that others were watching, and writing on their own blogs, even if they weren't commenting. And the subsequent post by both Rocky and I drew a few comments from those who did not initially join the battle. Their comments led us to  great stuff. Posts like, Just Exactly WHY Nice People Swallow and The Perfect Storm. These were women who understood what the original commenter was feeling in her words and they articulated them in a way that made sense. 

The Aftermath Turned Into Something Very Good

Firs it turned into a better understanding of both sides of the adoption discussion. Rocky continued to try to engage by writing a follow up post, It's About Poverty. What was the result of a desire to understand where these comments were coming from? Of a desire to understand the other side? It was posts like this by other very insightful writers, Why Do You Think This is, Adoption And Poverty, and Open Mike: Orphanage or Adoption? 

And it also multiplied traffic to Mothers Fighting For Others. Visits were five time higher than normal during the discussions and the residual effect is that Mothers who may never have found the site, found it.  

Dark Clouds Can Have A Very Bright Silver Lining

If you blog for very long, you're going to get your share of ugly or harsh personal comments. If you're writing from your heart, it's inevitable. To get the greatest benefit from those comments, you have to have a sincere desire to see the other side, to try to understand the motivation for the comments, and a willingness to go the distance.

People are watching you, even if they're not commenting. They want to see how you handle yourself in these situations. Only one genre of responses creates the kind of positive impact you hope for in these situations. This time it worked out better than I could have ever hoped for.

But just as important as any of this... Rocky and I both know now how much pain a seemingly innocent word like "orphan" can cause and we've discovered a whole new world of information and resources.  Would it have happened without "You represent everything I abhor in adoption." I doubt it.

What would you have done? 

Christina Ethridge
The North Idaho Dream Team powered by SKE Realty Group - Coeur d'Alene, ID

Jeff, not sure if you'll see this through all of your comments but, we too adopted 2 sibilings from another country almost 2 years ago.  No, they were not technically orphans, but the parental rights had been terminated.  We are also in the process of adopting another sibling set, this time domestically, and yet again, though technically not orphans, the parental rights are terminated.

I understand the point of your post, but I also know that people just don't care about view points beyond their own (as evidenced by the inability to turn the thread around).  There are adoption haters (ones who believe that people only adopt because they can't have biological children), there are those that think it's only about the child to be adopted (in fact it's about all parties to the adoption) and there are those that think pouring money into a community such and such is better than providing a direct tangible better life for an individual.

People box other people up and keep everyone in the same box. 

May 11, 2007 09:10 AM
S W
Seattle, WA

Jeff,

Congratulations on the offical adoption!!! How special this is...

Jonathan and I are seriously considering adoption as well as having our own children.  

I like the way you two handled it. Personal attacks can be very hurtful, but it helps nothing to return the retort... Intelligent engagement on the relevant topics produce better results! 

May 11, 2007 09:28 AM
Christy Powers
Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners - Pooler, GA
Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent
I couldn't agree with you more. First instinct is usally to fire back. But the best way is to try and turn it into a good discussion. Once you shout a name back, it's a game and the whole point of the argument is lost!
May 11, 2007 11:20 AM
Margaret Ann Innis
Decorate To Sell - Merrimack Valley Real Estate Staging - Andover, MA
Real Estate Staging - MA & NH

First, congratulations on your beautiful family.  What a wonderful and happy time for all of you!  Mazel tov!

2nd.  I learned so much from your analysis of how to handle this blogging situation.  Life gives us opportunities every day to learn and and share.  Thank you!

3rd. Happy Mother's Day to Rocky!

May 11, 2007 11:40 AM
Renée Donohue~Home Photography
Savvy Home Pix - Allegan, MI
Western Michigan Real Estate Photographer

Jeff:  I never realized how hateful and mean people can really be until this week myself.  I head an Italian Greyhound adoption group myself and I was the target for internet harassment and threats this week ~ from local breeders.  I was called every name in the book and maligned.  I tried to understand their point of view but it is way out of line.  What do I do?  Ignore.

While it is not as personal as your story, it still hurts.  I am glad you and Rocky talked it through and found the right solution and it just shows your class.

May 11, 2007 11:50 AM
Bryant Tutas
Tutas Towne Realty, Inc and Garden Views Realty, LLC - Winter Garden, FL
Selling Florida one home at a time
Great comment thread Jeff. We really do have some amazing people on AR. Thanks everyone for sharing. Damn I love this place!!!!!
May 11, 2007 01:31 PM
Mana Tulberg
805 County Real Estate - Camarillo, CA
Real Estate Agent - Camarillo CA

Jeff, This is a small, small world. My friend and client who is on the process of adopting her second child was talking to me about this blog and was upset by some of the comments that some "mothers" left on (now I know) your wife's blog.

It is hard to tell you what I would have done. Men and women are so different. We tend to be so emotional and it is hard not to get upset over comments like that. But I am fortunate I guess (just like your wife) to have a husband who guides me to look at things rationally. 

May 11, 2007 01:59 PM
Mary Pope-Handy
Christie's International Real Estate Sereno - Los Gatos, CA
CRS, CIPS, ABR, SRES, Silicon Valley
Jeff I am just so sorry that you two had to deal with that garbage.

You obviously took the high road, which is the right one.

I'm not sure what I would have done, honestly.  I suspect I'd have just deleted the bad comments, which is something I had to do on a blog of mine not so long ago....
May 11, 2007 02:05 PM
Eric Carlsen
The Scene Lab - New York, NY
Jeff,
Great perspective on life and how to deal with unwarranted negative criticism.

On a brighter (though less important) note, I sent an agent your way today. They really wanted a virtual tour, and were not looking for video. I let them know that RES was a far better option than the spinning tours and sent them a follow up email with a link.

Take Care,
May 11, 2007 02:34 PM
Nattalie de la Mothe
Maximum One Greater Atlanta Realtors - Atlanta, GA
Selling Atlanta Homes like a Boss
Great post and the comments are equally good...
May 11, 2007 04:01 PM
Boomer Jack Boardman & Carl McIntyre, the Codgers
Noted Curmudgeons - Saint Paul, MN

Jeff and Rocky: Mere words fail me completely after reading this post. Perhaps the best I can do is join the chorusactive rain|active codgers, your active fans ©2007 Codger™ Images of support you’ve already received. I know that you will be enriched by, and enrich the lives of all your children.

 

Jay

May 11, 2007 08:23 PM
Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA

Well... I've been enriched by this comment stream, I can tell you that. A visit by The Codgers is always special! This one very special. Thank you.

  

May 12, 2007 02:07 AM
Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA
Roberta, I'm going to have my wife talk to you about your experience in Guatemala. Thank you for sharing so openly!
May 12, 2007 02:08 AM
Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA
Everyone... the comments are coming faster than I can keep up. I hope the posts in the examples did the trick in showing what is possible when it comes to turning negativity around and making something good from something bad. In the midst of it, it was stressful. But the end result was worth it.
May 12, 2007 02:10 AM
ARDELL DellaLoggia
Better Properties Seattle - Kirkland, WA
I would only consider how my children would feel reading it if it was still in cyberspace when they were able to read it.  If it would hurt them in any way, shape or form when they read it, I would delete it.  I might not be around to "explain it" to them later.
May 12, 2007 02:22 AM
Roberta Lee
Century 21 Olde Tyme - Norco, CA
Norco Corona Riversid Homes For Sale

Jeff,

It would be my pleasure. :)

May 12, 2007 02:34 AM
Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA

Ardell... I don't write anything I wouldn't be proud for my children to read.

Roberta... thank you. 

May 12, 2007 02:36 AM
Anonymous
rob
Oh, man... sorry you guys.  My wife and I have been attacked in the same manner... while I was never told that I "sounded unattractive," I was referred to as "looking like a pedophile" and "not deserving of being a parent."  This is because of a YouTube video that we did announcing ourselves as getting frustrated with the system and looking for help from the YT/worldwide community to find a baby.  This then turned into a bigger molehill that is better left unsaid at this point...

These folks are the PRIME definition of trolls when they come on to take away someone else's happiness because of their own pain.  I really wish they'd leave their problems on their own blogs and in their own community.

Congratulations to you both, and to your new family members.
May 12, 2007 04:20 AM
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Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA
Rob... thanks for stopping by. Alls well that ends well, I say. The process was grueling, but the result was very satisfying!
May 14, 2007 07:47 AM
Anonymous
Personal Finance Bible

Nice post! I learn a lot.

 

 

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