Members: 114,168 - 2,128 Online Now  Login
 

I almost had to play marriage counselor to a young couple today at the closing table.

My buyers weren't married.  They were buying a home together first and were thinking of getting married sometime in the future. I don't pry too much into personal details.  I assume they are adults and are doing what they think is best for themselves.

The young man was putting 10% down and was going for a no doc loan.  Since he had a great credit score and she had an awful credit score, he applied for the loan by himself to make things go smoothly.

I don't get involved with the loan details.  I have a great loan officer who I trust to give expert advice.  I just assumed that the couple had gone over the details on how the loan would be structured and how they were going to own the home.

Five  minutes into the closing, the young lady asked if she would be signing anything.  When she saw that she wasn't part of the transaction, she excused herself and left the room.  I assumed she wanted to make a few phone calls or something.  The young man continued to sign all of the papers, and just when he finished the last paper, the young lady came back and dragged him out of the room and to the car.  There they apparently had a good heart to heart.

He thought like a man.  He just wanted to take the path of least resistance and do what was necessary to get the best loan with the minimal hassle.  He didn't want to discuss her low credit scores with her and just wanted to get into a house that she liked with the least amount of effort.

She was upset with him that he hadn't discussed any of this with her.  She said that she would not be moving in if she wasn't a part owner of the home.

He came back in and told me that her  mother had advised her to not move into that home with him unless her name was on the title.  I told him that I thought her mother was a very wise woman.

I told him that it was a very easy thing to get her on the title.  If he was serious about getting married, it would be a wise thing to do.

I usually deal with married couples so I didn't pay attention to the ownership details.  Next time I'll make sure I bring this up early in the process so these issues can be addressed up front. 

Guys, I don't understand women that much but one thing that I do know is that security is a big part of their happiness.  Moving into a home that she doesn't have an ownership interest is just laying a bad foundation for a happy relationship.  No matter what, you end up losing everything anyway.  You might as well have them happy while it lasts.  Hopefully it will be a long and happy life together.

 

12 Comments on Unmarried? Be Smart Girl. Get Your Name on that Deed Before You Move in.

Interesting post...I know is Pennsylvania Common-Law Marriage is established after just six months, but I can see why she was so concerned.  Great job!

05/11/2007 08:55 PM by Main Line Real Estate - Christopher Benedict (RE/MAX Main Line)


Great job! Especially the part that says that Security is a big part in women's happiness. I absolute adhere to that. Congrats.

05/11/2007 09:02 PM by Adriana Faerman (EWM)


I am glad you brought this up.  My husband and I bought our home before we were married and did this.  On the flip side, I sold a house to a childhood friend of mine and his then girlfriend.  Just before closing he called me and asked my advice about putting her name on the house.  He decided to add it.  After a bitter breakup, he now owns a house he can't sell because she won't sign and he is the only one on the mortgage.  There are two sides to every story... and, unlike our clients seem to believe, we Realtors dont have a crystal ball.

05/11/2007 09:16 PM by Syracuse/ Central New York Real Estate| Christina Lackey (Coldwell Banker Prime Properties)


Tim, I love this post, I would have never even considered giving that advice to a customer, but you are right on!  It only makes sense and a sugestion never hurts - it's funny how a lot of life partners don't even worry about things like this because they trust their significant other....but talk about reality check if there's a problem. Good for you to speak up for the woman.

05/11/2007 09:20 PM by Rick & Ines - Miami Shores Real Estate (Majestic Properties)


Cute post.... But very wise information. Thanks for the heads up. I'm sure we are all bound to run into something like this some time or another.

05/11/2007 09:40 PM by Tennessee Real Estate & Community Blog. Christina Williams (FIRST REALTY Company Crossville )


"He thought like a man.  He just wanted to take the path of least resistance and do what was necessary to get the best loan with the minimal hassle.  He didn't want to discuss her low credit scores with her and just wanted to get into a house that she liked with the least amount of effort.

She was upset with him that he hadn't discussed any of this with her.  She said that she would not be moving in if she wasn't a part owner of the home."

This guy is doomed!  I hope you bought a copy of Men are from Mars...Women from Venus book for their closing present!

05/11/2007 10:23 PM by Sean Stark


I think you handled it very well....and yeah, women and men think differently ....but when it comes to big things...big decisions...both should discuss....just my opinion....(I thought that's how marriages do work?)

05/11/2007 10:43 PM by Celeste "SALLY" Cheeseman (RA), e-PRO HAWAII Real Estate & HAWAII Relocation (Century 21 Liberty Homes -Mililani, Hawaii)


In my opinion, if the woman is just living with the man and if he is making the payments, then she has no right to expect that she be included on the deed.  If she is making the payments with him, then she has every right to be on the deed.  In any case, after they get married, she had better be on the deed.

05/11/2007 11:25 PM by Roger Stensland (Brio Realty)


Nice comments everyone.

Sean Stark,  I did mention the book Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. This guy needs to really understand those principles. 

Roger,  I hear you.  You just have to negotiate all that stuff up front.  A smart women isn't going to put herself in a situation of living with a man at his whim.

Christina, That's a situation that you risk with something like this.  Buying a home together is a huge step.  It's basically the same as getting married.  The ceremony is just a formality.  My advice to guys is to not let a girl move in with you if you are not dead certain that you will be marrying her.

05/12/2007 06:20 AM by Tim Maitski "Secret Agent Guy" (HomeAtlanta.com)


It sounds like for not knowing a lot about girls you handled it right.  Good job!

05/12/2007 12:17 PM by Rosemont Financial Inc


I've had a number of young clients buy homes without being married. Some of those want only one name on the mortgage but both on the deed. I tell them to discuss this with a lawyer before making their decision. As a divorcee, and having gone through this myself, I'm a believer that the name(s) on the mortgage should match the names on the deed AND vice versa. In your example, why should the gal have rights to the home without the liability for repayment of the mortgage.

IMO, she has no rights to the property if she's not bound by the loan payment. If they break up - which is apt to occur with this mother-in-law - she can get half the value of the home without having any financial investment into it. What happens if he meets someone new, marries that woman, and then sells? Talk about a mess!!! 

Now, as far as "appeasing" the female, that's a WHOLE different matter!!!!  ;-)

05/13/2007 11:03 AM by Elaine Reese, REALTORĀ® in central Ohio (Real Living HER, Worthington Ohio)


Leave a response…

Name:
Notify me of new comments:
Comment:
What does the graphic say?
 
Real Estate Agent: Tim Maitski   "Secret Agent Guy" (HomeAtlanta.com)
Tim Maitski "Secret Agent Guy"
Atlanta, GA
More about me…
HomeAtlanta.com

Office Phone: (404) 845-0265
Cell Phone: (404) 216-0472
Email Me


My Best Stuff

The Reader's Digest Version of My Blog

Benefit from My Years of  Experience

To read me, is to know me, To know me, is to love me. To love me, is to trust me.

 If you trust me, we can do business together.

 

 

<



Links

Archives

RSS 2.0 Feed for this blog
ATOM 1.0 Feed for this blog

Find GA real estate agents and Atlanta real estate here on ActiveRain.
Disclaimer: ActiveRain Corp. does not necessarily endorse the real estate agents, loan officers and brokers listed on this site. These real estate profiles, blogs and blog entries are provided here as a courtesy to our visitors to help them make an informed decision when buying or selling a house. ActiveRain Corp. takes no responsibility for the content in these profiles, that are written by the members of this community.
© 2007 ActiveRain Corp. All Rights Reserved