If the bank listed the home at the BPO price, When is the bank most likely to begin accepting that lower price (80% of List)  offer?

 

Deciphering bank motivation... I know I know, it may somewhere between astrology and palm reading, but here goes...

Here in Charlotte, where home values (though more recently declining) have remained relatively strong, it has to be on the market quite some time before they are willing to take that size (20% or so) of a discount. Conversely, in parts of California, I am told they accept substantial discounts within days of listing, why would that be?

What are the variables to consider? And while each bank/REO will be unique, are there any good rules of the road? Or at least a "Rule of Thumb?"?

I think the #1 determinant has to be: What is the likelihood of price declines in the next year?

The higher that likelihood, the sooner a bank would want to say "Let's Make a Deal." Interestingly enough, there are a number of companies that provide this information, the most widely used public (banks have proprietary date too) is from PMI, Private Mortgage Insurance which publishes those "likelihood of Price Declines" for over 350 markets in the US every quarter, and they use it to rate their proprietary private mortgage insurance.

 

The 120 Day Rule

 

One thing appears to be consistent here in Charlotte, banks and intermediaries get very nervous once on the market 120 Days.  We have seen banks turn down offers of 90% of list in the first few months, only to accept 75-80% of list in month 5. We've seen a bit more flexibility early in the sale process on the less expensive REO's- could that be because even a 15% discount on a house priced at $125K is not a lot of cash comparatively speaking? Or perhaps a recognition that there are a LOT more REO homes priced in this price range and so getting an offer and getting it off the market is paramount?

One thing is for sure, if it lasts 120 days, the Sellers call us and say SELL IT, Bring us an Offer, and they mean it.

I am sure these are two of the external, local market factors Banks consider, but there largest motivation may be their own balance sheet, or their next meeting with regulatory (FDIC) agencies, how close they are to their required reserves, etc, and with these we would not have any idea of their motivation.... except watching now as the end of the first quarter is fast approaching... will that make a difference?

I would appreciate other agents from around the country to comment, possibly any asset managers, or others with REO experience. watching?

Thanks to all

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5 Comments on When is the Best Time to Have a Low (20% or more) Offer Accepted on a REO?

MAR
14

The Rule of the Road is there are none with foreclosures.

I submitted a offer that was turned down only to have them reduce the list price to less than our offer one week later. They also sold it for less than the offer I gave them. I have had buyers make offers get turned down only to buy it for less later.

I sold a small foreclosure at a great price about 3 years ago. We offerd over asking price because it was a great deal and they had other offers. The buyer put the full purchase price down as earnest money. It took the bank over 30 days to get us a signed contract. How crazy is that.

I have sold lots of them. Some are easy and reply fast others like the one above take forever and a day to let you know.

I just tell the buyer that we will not know what they will do or how fast they will reply to we make the offer.

Good luck to you.

3:54pm • #1
MAR
15
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I can only tell you what I am thinking while wearing my asset manager hat.

  1. Offers outside a few percentage points of the asking price in the first 30 days are not acceptable.
  2. The shorter the contingency period and higher the deposit, the better chance you have at negotiating a reduction.
  3. The words "I have cash and can close in 3 days" means to me "I am trying to screw you."
  4. Properties in high foreclosure neighborhoods should go directly to public auction.

R

1:06pm • #2
MAR
16

Thanks Alan- most days I'm in complete agreement with you, there is NO way of telling...

Thanks for weighing in Rich, I especially like #3. Alan describes bank behaviour (better than I did)  that almost sounds schizophrenic... is that caused by a "no rules" format from the bank view? or the shifting motivations of a bank, that makes it appear to our side as having "no rules?"

5:18am • #3
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Sometimes they will be more open to lowball offers if you can get the deal closed before the end of a quarter (March 31 is the end of the 1st quarter) or before the end of a calendar year.  That way a property is no longer on their profit/loss statement for the next period.

8:18pm • #4
MAR
23

Rich is spot on.

In Simi Valley California, where I do most of my REO business, if the offer isn't 97% of asking in the first 30 days of the listing period it will not be accepted.

After 30 days if there is no activity, and this includes low ball offers, the lender will ask for another BPO and consider a price reduction.

My area is doing better than some parts of  the country. My last few REO listings in Simi Valley all sold for over asking with multiple offers. I think I'm averaging around 105% of list. It's all about accurate BPO's and getting the property priced right the first time.

Rudy

7:56pm • #5

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