Why do Realtors think preapproval letters are about as worthless as a wet cocktail napkin? Has it become so bad that Realtors believe a do-it-yourself prequalification is better than one from the mortgage office?

I believe the time has come for preapproval letters to gain some respect. We can accomplish this by offering a much more detailed picture of where the borrower is in the process of becoming approved.

In this post I will tell you the 8 questions that every preapproval letter should answer.

THE COMMENTS THAT SHOCKED ME

Jennifer "SOI" Allan asked Realtors this: Should listing agents restrict showings only to clients that are prequalified?

Some Realtors responded by telling us they have absolutely no faith in prequalifications, anyway by making the following comments:

1.  "talk about money, prices, expectations early and often.  This helps you help the client and the others involved far more than a prequalification letter"

(The "Teacher" approach. They don't need to be prequalified, they just need a lesson from their Realtor)

 2.  " its usually not too difficult to do some limited due diligence on them as a buyer's agent.  Googling the client will usually bring up info on the client whether its a board they sit on, the position they have with a major company or a new piece on something they are involved in"

(The "Private Detective" approach. Google knows everything, including if the guy can get a mortgage)

 3. " Now, I qualify my buyers and you should consider that your new role, too!  What does it mean to bring a qualified buyer to a showing?  They can afford it.  Use your calculator and estimate the affordability for them.  Need a FICO score?  Ask them to pull the report and show you before your start hauling."

(The "Do-It-Yourself" approach. This approval thing is easy enough. I don't need a prequalification letter from a mortgage broker.)

IF AN APPROVAL IS NOT A YES OR NO QUESTION, WHAT IS IT?

It is only natural that Realtors see this document simply as a straight yes or no question. Can my buyer get a loan?  Yes or no? Its all I need before I turn the key and start hauling these buyers around.

But those of us in the mortgage business see it differently: Qualification is a process, not a yes or no question. Until every step of the process is complete, there are no guarantees.

The problem for all of us in the mortgage industry then becomes this: At what point in the process do you issue this preapproval letter? Everyone seems to have a different idea, and therein lies the problem. 

If only every Realtor would think about preapproval letters like this: the "pre" in the preapproval letter stands for this word: PREDICTION. That's right, a preapproval letter is a prediction of whether the client will be approved.

Now a prediction, as we all know, is only as strong as the FACTS suporting it. Rather than asking IF the buyer is approved, a better idea is to ask HOW far along in the process of approval is the buyer?

Let the Realtor determine if "ENOUGH" of the process has occurred to start the engine. 

EIGHT QUESTIONS THAT WILL IRON CLAD ANY PREAPPROVAL

  1. Has the FICO score been determined by obtaining a credit report at the lender's office? (Those credit reports you pay for as a consumer are not the same as those from the mortgage company)
  2. Has the client completed and signed a credit application? (there are things OTHER than just income and assets that come into play for an approval)
  3. Has the buyer provided proof of income and proof of assets? Has he proved his funds to close are available to him?
  4. Has verbal or written verification of employment been completed? (he could have lost his job the night before)
  5. Has an automated approval(DU) been run on the buyers? (HUGE step forward on the predictability scale)
  6. Has the lender approved the loan? Are there conditions on the approval and have they been cleared? (A lender approval means nothing unless the conditions are cleared)
  7. How long ago was approval issued and does it have an expiration date? (Things change! An approval needs updating just like an appraisal does)
  8. What is the loan amount and maximum interest rate for the approval?

In every preapproval letter I write I address each one of these issues, and invite the Realtor reading it to call me with questions. By adding this much detail, I believe the Realtor is in a true position of strength when making decisions.

If you recieve one of those out of date, generic preapproval letters, call up the mortgage person and ask the eight questions.

But please, don't try to do it yourself.

 

 

Written by Janet Guilbault, Mortgage Lending Specialist Based Out of the San Francisco Bay Area

 

 
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135 Comments on Why Don't Realtors Have FAITH in Preapproval Letters? 8 Questions Every Preapproval Should Answer

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Janet I always enjoy reading your blog as always very helpful tips. Thank you!

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Nelya: One of our ActiveRain members, a long time lender who reinvented herself as a Realtor inspired me to write much more detailed preapproval letters. When I finished the first one, I showed it to the other mortgage brokers in the office. Their eyes popped out of their heads, because we were all used to that stale old form letter that tells a Realtor NOTHING at all!

But we got such a great response from our Realtor partners, many of us starting giving far more detail.

Not only that, but the Realtors just want to know more today...post mortgage crisis....it is hard to trust, right?

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Janet,

You're a great loan officer!  Love the post.  I don't know how many times a REALTOR will tell me "don't pull credit; my buyer is pre-approved by XYZ Bank and it will take their score down."  Let's see...  We'll run automated underwriting with DU, but we won't pull their credit...  Don't think so!  LOL

Mike in Tucson

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Janet - BRAVO!  Like you, I was a little annoyed at some of the comments I read in that blog as well.  So much so, I chose not to comment because at the time, I couldn't keep my comment from sounding like a rant.

I find it extremely arrogant that Realtors, who have never originated a loan, think that pre-approving a prospective buyer can be done by just about anyone.  As you and I both know and that you have sufficiently pointed out, there is so much more to pre-approving a prospective buyer than figuring out how much they make and where they work, especially these days when guidelines seem to change about as often as my ever changing hair color (at least you know what I mean when I say that).

However, having said that though, I do agree that the pre-approval letter needs to become more credible, especially since there are still mortgage idiots (I simply refuse to call them professionals) out there passing out these worthless pieces of paper.

I am still getting people who call me and tell me that they were pre-approved with lender X and came to find out after they made an offer on a listing based on that pre-approval letter that they were actually not pre-approved at all.  DESPICABLE!

My pre-approval process is exactly like your pre-approval process and this process will insure a strong PREDICTION for a later approval.  As you and I both know, guidelines can change so fast and pretty much always without much notice, which can make or break a client pre-approval.  Unless Realtors are staying up on the ever changing world of the mortgage industry (which many don't) then they are not going to know when their client that was pre-approved last week suddenly becomes ineligible this week without further documentation. 

11:45am • #4

Great post.  I am sending this one to everyone in my office!  I wish more loan officers were like you.

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Mike: Thanks so much. I think what we have here is a failure to communicate. First of all, I think those old generic letters actually insult the intelligence of the Realtors!

On the other hand, Realtors know just enough to be dangerous. That is, to think it is as easy as calculating a debt to income based on verbal information, or to google and see if the guy is legit.

If only it was that easy!!!

 

11:51am • #7
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Janet, all good tips.  The reality is a Realtor needs to have a trusted lending partner so they CAN trust the pre quals, or pre approvals.  In most cases even "approvals" are so laden with conditions prior to finding a home that they are no better than the wet napkin.  Any good LO worth their salt can tell you if they can do the loan with a few minutes on the phone, and a credit report.  If it is a more involved borrower you may need a tax return, or additional income info (at least get them to read you a YTD income on the pay stub) I know I will NEVER put my name on something that wont close.

A Loan officer,( Mortgage guy/gal what ever you want to call us today)... Should know the right questions to ask to determine what a buyer can or can not do.  If they cant, the agent needs to find a lending partner that CAN.

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Donne: What, you don't think I am a natural blonde? LOL

Thank you so much for your comments and your support. It means alot to me that my SoCal counterpart thinks like me. Since no one was called out in that post for those comments, I thought everyone overlooked the obvious tone of the comments...preapproval letters carry little if any weight.

Thank goodness you noticed this too. Donne, you never disappoint me.

When I thought about how seriously I take sending out one of these letters, and the time it takes to go through this process, I started to get really miffed at these comments (ok, some of them were a little funny too...I seemed to have a warped tickle bone....)

Having said that, you are right. Until we standardize preapproval letters with questions that are FACTUAL and not OPINIONS, these letters will get little respect. It is nice when a Realtor calls to ask questions to make it 100% clear what has and has not happened.

It is not our place to say approved or not approved. It is our place to give the facts based on the information we have. That is something every Realtor can respect.

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Donne: Maybe it should be called an APPROVAL REVIEW? Realtor could ask, "How far along are you in you approval review, Mr. Client?

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Robert: Okay: If you have only looked at the credit report, and asked the client questions, then you can tell the Realtor that you have taken this step in the process and let them determine what to do next, or if this is enough information.

If your word has always been good, and you are their trusted lender partner, then they may decide to move forward based on this relationship

I will agree that at this step, my hunches are usually correct. But would I issue a preapproval letter? I would not.

As for conditions: I believe the trend in the industry is submit files so air tight that the lender cannot issue many, if any conditions. My last approval required an appraisal review but there were NO conditions at all for the borrower. The other approval I got last week had only one condition: a copy of their drivers license.

Yes, it is a pain in the butt, but it sure beats the way I used to do it when I would get 16 conditions.

I honestly believe that preapprovals are going this direction as well.

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I always call the lender on the preapproval letter on behalf of my sellers, and I ask almost all of those questions (#4 is a good question to add).  I had a recent offer submitted on my listing and the preapp letter was for an FHA loan, but the agent wrote a conventional loan in the contract. 

Most lenders are great at telling me what conditions remain, but you do have to ask.

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Melina: I wish more Realtors would pick up the phone and call just like you do. I welcome the opportunity to help a Realtor. I know you are making decisions that impact people's lives and their finances. The more you know the better.

I usually do not have a lender approval ready for a preapproval letter because many of my lenders will not underwrite without an appraisal. That is why I have gotten in the habit of collecting every single piece of information and running an automated approval.

The less risk, the better.

PS I would discuss conditions but would prefer to have none. The automated approval does give conditions, but the underwriter may issue more than this.

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If someone wants to buy a short sale or foreclosure they HAVE to get Approved.

Not a pre-qual, not a pre-approval. A full blown approval.They are competing with cash buyers it must be done or they will not get the house.

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As a listing agent, I would take comfort in your type of letter...and I'd call you too so as to develop a working relationship.

12:41pm • #15

Thank you for the knowledge, I will certainly keep your tips in mind going forward.

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I will fight the full blown approval prior to a property.  99% of the time it just is not necessary, and it slows the world down and costs a lender just as much as a "real" loan. I guess after 20+ years I am just a stubborn old dog in this biz!  I just assume everyone does things My way (the right way!) Fills in the blanks, returns calls and actually asks the right questions! 

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Janet: Good job. It's good you're so thorough. Not every one has the time to wait to kick out  as detailed a pre-approval as you do. Sometimes the realtors need something sooner. My pre-approval letter is fairly generic but has teeth. I always check someone's credit, etc. and issue the letter based on income and, if possible, asset information.  Of course there's always the qualifier that states that if any of the conditions are not met, the approval is null and void. Thanks again for the post!

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Janet, Great Post.  That is why it is so important to work with a trusted mortgage person as Robert mentioned above.  I have a handful of mortage go-to people that I use.  Even if a buyer comes to me preapproved from someone I don't know, I have them call one of my people just to get some added info or shed some light on how the process works.  It's awful to say, but I been "burned" too many times by letters that hold no weight.  Plus, when I work with "my people", I know there will be no surprises! 

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Morning Janet - Good Blog, Well stated and to the point.  What I liked most was your interpretation "the pre-approval/approval is no guarantee."  Certainly, the Agents as well as the Sellers should use this information as part of their due dillegence but again, absent from what you mentioned..........only going through the ENTIRE process will validate the caution many feel.

Cheers

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Janet- I agree it's a great post and you cover lots of really good topics in your list.  But I got a pre-approval letter back the first week of February on a client.  He went under contract just days from that.  And minutes ago the loan officer called me to tell me underwriting rejected because they needed updated pay stubs, verification of rent (which she told me she didn't know she needed) and a structural engineering report on the property.  Now we were supposed to close on March 6.  So if things had been processed in a timely fashion they wouldn't need any updated pay stubs. And if he had no mortgage didn't she know they would want rent verification and really just when did she find out she would need an engineer report???  It's calls like the one I'd just hung up from that me think a pre-qualification isn't worth the paper it's printed on.

Please know I am by no mean saying that all lenders are the same.  Maybe these things would not have occured in your office.  But it is frustrating to have what we think is a qualified buyer not get the loan in the end.

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Macy: You make me think of one really good point. If you do end up with a buyer who has a preapproval from someone other than one of your "trusted partners", a detailed preapproval letter is more important than ever to make you feel comfortable with that buyer.

I do not doubt you have been burned. Honestly, when anyone and their dog could get approved, loan officers just spit out something generic and the loan always got done anyway.

But that is not the case anymore so that is why all of us need to change with the times.

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Janet, please let me know when you decide to move to NC, I need a mortgage professional that is that good!

The reason that many agents don't have much confidence in "pre" letters (approved and qualified are often interchanged), is because, like the 'do it yourself' agents, most are based off of a "client said they make X, so they're qualified for Y amount."  Until there is some standard method on these things, it's going to be hard to have alot of faith in them.  You questions will definitely help determine how good the pre-approval really is, though.  Thanks

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As a Realtor, I have no problem with preapproival letters, because I have always expected that all the issues in your list of eight questions have been addressed. If not, then what I will have is a worthless prequalification letter, which is not worth the paper it's written on. Making this distinction is critical, as all of the criticisms mentioned both in your blog and by the commentators applies to the prequalification letter, and deservedly so.

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Tammy: Please remember that a prequalification is only on the borrower. The property must be approved as well as you are painfully aware. Lenders are really getting tough there, so that is nothing your loan officer could have foreseen, in my opinion.

It does not sound like your loan is rejected, it just sounds like you have a few conditions.

They ALWAYS ask for the most recent pay stub, because usually borrower has gotten another pay check. No big deal there.  The verification of rent is pretty standard stuff as well. Neither of these things should take much time, or cause the loan to blow up.

If loan should have closed on the 6th, your lender should have told you why it was delayed in advance.

 I am sorry, but I see the biggest gotch here as the engineering report, not the qualifications of the borrower.

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Good stuff Janet. Sometimes we just brush by these important questions and run into trouble in the end

1:50pm • #26
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Good stuff Janet. Sometimes we just brush by these important questions and run into trouble in the end

1:51pm • #27

Thank you for the post alot of great information was in there! I do ask for a preapproval letter for my clients and have a few lenders in the area who I trust.

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Roger: Realtors should team up with mortgage professionals who are serious about preapproval letters.  Lenders who write prapproval letters may be doing all 8 of the steps, but simply issuing one of those standard letters that leave Realtors in the dark.

Any loan officer who simply has a conversation and does a few figures to issue his letter is just not doing our industry any favors. Naturally you cannot rely on something like that, nor should you need to.

 

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Michael: We need to get rid of the distinction between prequalification and preapproval. The difference in degree should be addressed by answering the questions presented in this post, so that no document is "worthless".

If a lender wants to issue a preapproval to you in which he has only had an interveiw with the client, then let him do it. But you as the Realtor should not accept this as good enough to proceed with the client, and send him to someone else, or back to the original mortgage guy, who really did not do his job.

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Great suggestions. Every loan officer and agent need to read this post.

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Missy: I want to respond to your comment about REO's. The way it works in my area is this:

Countrywide (for example) owns the REO that borrower want to make an offer on. Mortgage broker (me) has answered all 8 questions, and preapproved the borrower.

Nope, that's not good enough, even if it is a lender approval with no conditions at all. Countrywide must do the approval themselves, and try to steal the loan from me.

Since I am good, I do not lose loans to REO sellers, and warn my clients ahead of time about this tactic. Since I am a direct lender (RPM is a bank) they usually can't dismiss my approval as "not with a direct lender".

But just the fact they try to enforce this policy tells me this:

  1. What they really want is the loan
  2. They are unable to trust borrowers who have preapproval letters.

But you are right. They are not getting the house without a full fledged approval...sometimes 2 of them

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Janet - OH LORD!  Don't even get me started on the borderline RESPA violations of CW's practice of making borrowers pre-approve with them before making an offer on their REO's.

I have run my clients files through CW's CLUES system (CW's version of DU/AUS) and received an "Approve/Eligible" and sent the CLUES findings to the CW preferred rep and they still won't accept it.  Further proof that it's not the pre-approval that they're interested in but rather it's more a matter of trying to pilfer other lenders clients.

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Paul: Well, as you can probably tell, kicking out anything in writing is not that time consuming for me. I seem to be pre-wired to so this and do it without much effort.

But having said this, I think writing a letter like I have described SAVES time. That is because there is very little need for the Realtor to ask questions. It is because it establishes me as the authority for this part of the transaction. It is because it gives the Realtor confidence and something to show the listing agent or the seller of the property.

My letters have won the property in multiple offer situations, just because they were so persuasive and detailed.

 

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Donne: That is absolutely the case. I cannot believe they get away with this. It is so sketchy.

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Janet, thanks for your response to my comment. Perhaps this is a regional issue, as in my town the preapproval is made when the credit scores have been run, the income and assets verified and the automated underwriting performed. Anything less than that, and a preapproval cannot be issued. A prequalification, on the other hand, can be based on nothing more than a conversation between the lender and the applicant.

2:29pm • #37

Thanks for a truly great post.  I will admit that I had NO faith in this process, especially now that loans rarely get done.  This will help turn my attitude right around.  Thanks

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Janet- my problem is that the loan officer should have known weeks ago an engineer report would be needed.  It is required because it's a manufactured home.  It was required on one I closed with this same lender about a year ago (11 months ago).  We have tons of them in our area and it's the norm.  Yet this time, she waited until underwriting rejected it to order it.  I don't understand why. Thus my frustration with not all lenders, but one.

My issues to date this year have really been with underwriters not loan officers.  And the cause for delay was underwriting was too busy doing re-fi's to get to my clients file.  And that doesn't make any sense to me either.  They should be reviewed first in/ first out in my opinion.  But I guess they really don't want my opinion on what order they should review files.

And I agree with you about REO owners demanding people qualify through them.  It stinks, it's tacky and I too warn my buyers that just because they have to follow the rule, does not mean that's the route to take.

2:43pm • #39

Thanks for this very thorough and detailed post. Great information.

2:48pm • #40

Super info.  Thanks.

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Well done post, Janet!  I agree with you.  Pre-qual letters are often junk but pre-approval letters show a more complete initial process to determine if a buyer can actually qualify for the home price point that they want to target.  I've got a buyer right now that I recently refused to show any more houses to since they didn't follow through completely on the pre-approval process. They only went to pre-qualify and since I am aware that there will be discrepancies of income from 2006, 2007 and 2008 (unreported income) it is to their benefit to have their 2008 taxes done prior to qualifying. However, if they push to see houses before that is done we'll go by what their current income states they can afford - which will be much less.  I don't want a client to fall in love with a house that they might then end up finding out they can't afford.  It will only result in an unhappy experience for them because they'll always feel the "right one" got away.

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Tammy:

ALL lenders in my area give priority to purchases. They NEVER take them as they come in, purchases always come first. So unless the lenders are different in your area, those that refinance are actually the ones getting the shaft. They must wait in the back of the line.

Okay, if it was known that the MH needed this kind of report, is it possible she delayed ordering it because there is a cost? In other words, she only wanted the borrower to pay for it IF the loan was approved?

It is totally tacky for REO sellers to try to steal people away from their mortgage people. It is also confusing to them. I always just laugh at the thought that some guy at Countrywide even has a chance to compete with me. I am already bonded with the client! So they try to give away stupid stuff like "no cost for the credit report!" Geez, that saves them 17 bucks!

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Reba: And as I always say, when something bad happens (they can't qualify to get the house they want)....even if you had nothing to do with this, you are connected to this heart breaking experience (Guilty by association)

Maybe you should be doing the pushing...straight to someone who will give you a solid, updated approval.

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Janet,

Those are 8 great questions.

I think the disconnect with these letters is that some buyer's agents don't ask those questions, and as a result, the listing agent needs to.

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Brian: I can assure you loans are getting done all the time. No, not as many people can qualify, but there are still plenty of people who can. The trick is, in my opinion, to quickly sort out those that can qualify vs those that cannot. That is where a good loan officer can help you save time and effort weeding out those that can't qualify.

Michael: Why would anyone pay any attention to a prequalification then? Who enforces your prequalification letter? Is everything spelled out? At lease there is definately a difference and that eliminates confusion.

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Agents can't pre-approve.  All agents can do is pre-qualify to determine price range.  Once we know we have serious buyers, it's time to get the buyer to a so we can be prepared with a pre-qualification or pre-approval letter. 

For me, a pre-qualification letter (buyer not ready to make full loan application) says that the lender has reviewed the credit report and simply says there are no credit problems.  That's all it says and that's why it has little value.

Pre-approval letters must state that the lender has reviewed the credit report, verified income to qualify and employment. 

Even then, we can't stop the buyer from getting advice from Dad, co-workers, Internet web sites, etc.  When we get serious and the buyer is close to writing, they need to settle on a lender.  Once the buyer starts shopping lenders, the one who provided the pre-qualified has a head start but there's no guarantee that they'll get the loan.  Lenders sometimes get their nose out of joint when they do a pre-qual and then don't get the loan.  They want me to do something.  HA!  When I look at the GFE, I know why they didn't get the loan.  They estimated high figuring it was a safe buyer. 

When we have more than one contract on a property for sale, we advise the buyers agent to "give us your highest and best offer".  We know what that means.  "How badly do you want this property, or are you more interested in seeing how low the seller will go?"

Lenders who start high and then aren't in the running if the buyer shops have to expect to lose some loans. 

I've got lenders who go crazy when one of the buyers that they do a pre-qual for buys new and uses the builder's lender.  They rant at me, "Can't you do something?" 

My answer to that is, "It's your job to develop builder business."  My job is to get the best contract for my buyer and if that means going with the builder's lender, so be it."

I'm rambling.  I'm going for a walk.

3:17pm • #47

So what does everyone do with the agent who requires a lender approved fully underwritten approval PRIOR to accepting/making an offer?  In my world the only way this will happen is with an actual property and appraisal because no lnder now a days is underwriting a file as a TBD.  Listing agents in my town are actually advertising on the MLS listing that a DU/LP approval is not enough to accept an offer.

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Janet, you bring up some good questions that one should ask to "qualify" or "verify" the preapproval process.  Thanks for sharing!  I think often times agents just grab the preapproval letter and run!

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Very helpful Janet...thank you! It seems to me at some point in time a pre-approval became nothing more then what a pre-qualification used to be. Now days, the only thing I get out of a pre-qual is that the client has actually spoken to a lender. If they want to call just about anything a pre-approval I would, at the very least, like to see what conditions have to be met to gain a full approval. I was just looking at a "Approval Certificate" from a very large bank, I won't mention their name but it begins with a "B" and ends with an "A", anyway it reads, "This certificate is subject to your conditional real estate loan approval letter for Loan #000000000". If I'm the listing agent I've got to be thinking....this is absolutely worthless to me! It would be outstanding if all lenders went through the process as you do.

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Well done once again, Janet. These are all critical points that need to be reflected when a buyer's offer is being presented to the seller. Since many of these sellers are banks these days, these points MUST be addressed for their offer to be considered. I don't know about other markets, but here in Southern Oregon most buyers in the lower price range are finding themselves in multiple offer situations. Think the buyer that has proven to be ready, willing and able to buy TODAY, might win out over someone else?

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The reason I don't have much faith in most so called "pre-approval" letters is that most of them are worthless especially if they come from mortgage brokers who tell someone they're approved and then try to find a lender to fund the loan.

Been disappointed too many times to believe in them unless I know the local lender that wrote it.

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Lenn: Wait, you GET OUT? LOL...I think I will take a walk too. It is sunny and lunchtime on the West Coast.

I don't believe in EVER getting your nose bent out of shape, at least not when you lose a loan. My gosh, we are sales people and we are not going to close every single opportunity that comes down the pike. If you are not losing loans, you are not doing loans, thats the way I look at it.

I still welcome every opportunity and think getting mad when you lose a loan shows no class.

I don't try to compete with builders, who drop their drawers and give away the big screen, the side by side refer, free granite counters, etc, etc. I can catch that client the next time around, and let the builder have this one.

There is an art to being competitive and to pricing. There is no better way to learn this art than to be in the car business where the competition is relentless and ruthless and where I spent 20 years slugging it out as a finance person. Real estate is tame by comparison. First rule? Never be afraid of the competition. Face them head on. Clients respect fearlessness. If you believe, they will too.

I don't believe clients always choose the cheapest closing costs. But you are right that loans are lost right here at this point many times.

Would you take someone out to look at houses with just a credit report pre qualification? That seems nuts to me....but maybe I am missing something or seen too many 700+ credit reports that cannot get a loan.

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Brad: I assume you are talking about REO's or lender owned properties that require a full approval? See comments above. That is the lender who owns the property trying to get the loan. Naturally they can fully approve themselves!!!!

I do have lenders that will to TBD's but they are going away fast. All you can do is have a file completely ready to go, then supply the address for the full approval when the client locates the property. Hopefully, lenders turn times are fast enough to win the bid on the property.

Nuts, huh?

 

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 Jim in Tennessee: You said

The reason I don't have much faith in most so called "pre-approval" letters is that most of them are worthless especially if they come from mortgage brokers who tell someone they're approved and then try to find a lender to fund the loan.

I am trying to figure out why not knowing the lender somehow makes a preapproval letter "worthless".

Shall I assume you mean the mortgage broker did nothing but write a letter then hope a lender would take the loan? Kind of like throwing wet spaghetti on the wall and hoping it will stick?

You know a banker can do the same thing...issue a letter with no checking at all and then "hope" the bank will take the loan.

 I am sorry you have had a negative experience. If you have so little confidence, you should always insists on a lender approval....in other words, go through all the steps outlined here.

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Good post and well said. I am lucky my lenders have been with me since I started in business 14 years ago so we always know what day it is.

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I have seen so many "garbage" pre-approvals in which lenders just write that the client is pre-approved when that is not the case at all. It has made me cynical! 

I expect, when I see "pre-approval" that the full application, the credit score, the bank statements, and all the other supporting documentation have actually been submitted and approved by an actual lender. But more often than not, some shady lender has NOT submitted any of this stuff and is simply writing that it's pre-approved. Who's underwriting the loan? What are the conditions? Let me see the financials. . . .

I'm sorry to rant so negatively, but often if I do not know the lender, I do not trust him or her at all.

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Dave: I guess I think the lending world has made their own bed here. What I mean by this highlighted by the letter you got from the B Bank.

Realtors are not stupid and they deserve far more than they get in these letters. Yes, even I think these letters are worthless if they are generic and give no detail as to what exactly the preapproval is based on.

They are nothing more than an opinion, when FACTS are what is needed. Why keep the process a secret from the Realtor? All that happens then is you get Realtors like Jim (comment above) who just assume the mortgage broker is "ONLY HOPING" and in the meantime, wants to keep the buyer "on the hook".

It is a ridiculous way to do business

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HA!  My walk was in my exercise room in my basement on my treadmill.  I "put in" at least a mile or two every day. 

Once I know a lender has reviewed the credit report, I'm fine.  Haven't lost one yet.  I get a financial statement from my buyers and, I know this is a shocker, I can do the rest, ask questions, etc. 

We agents who have "been around a while" and learned this stuff before credit reports were instant, can actually qualify a buyer. 

In fact, I get to really know a buyer when we review their financial statement.  Folks are honest with me.  In fact, if there is a buyer who refuses to give me financial information, they need another agent.  We don't work in the dark.

This is a good article. 

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Janet - As you and many of these comments have pointed out, w/o knowing what has been processed and verifyed, a pre-approval letter means absolutely nothing.  As you and I know, running a file through DU/AUS still doesn't guarantee a client will receive final approval but what it will indicate is if there are any conditions that weaken a clients ability to be approved.

For me, when running a clients file through DU/AUS and receiving an "Approve/Eligible" with a copy of the conditions where there are nothing but property conditions and no other borrower conditions, that is just about the strongest pre-approval I can offer.

I also think at this point we need to start referring to the "pre-approval" letter to what it actual is and that is a "conditional approval".  In others words, the borrower approval is contingent on satisfying these conditions.

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Mary, I think your attitude (cynical) is something that many Realtors share, and something that is probably deserved by the mortgage industry. Just like stated income loans, it was a good idea that simply got abused when very liberal guidlelines meant any warm body could get an approval.

Some loan officers got into the habit of "approve now, ask questions later".

I will say a couple of things:

  1. The trend is for lenders not to underwrite a loan until they have an appraisal and a prelim. Because of this, you will not be seeing preapprovals issued where the bank has underwritten the file before the property is selected. In other words, we cannot submit the documents until we have an appraisal
  2. This trend means you must have a loan officer who has taken your client through all of the steps except submission to the lender, and who has documented exactly what has been done in detail.

I personally don't think a Realtor should be reviewing the financials of the client.  I think you have a big enough job without acting as a back up (to make sure the loan officer is doing his/her job).

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Janet,

Thanks for your information. My broker has always urged us to get preapproval letters before beginning a diligent search. I guess I've been lucky so far as few of the deals fall through due to credit issues. Thanks.

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Lenn: Then if someone came in with a preapproval letter and refused to give you any more financial info you would just write them off?

Or would you call the mortgage person to get those details?

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Great conversation and sorry I'm entering it late - as usual!

One thing I have noticed is that pre-approvals from Mortgage Brokers (I am one) carry less weight than pre-approvals with banks.  I have agent after agent tell me they need "more" - our letters, in fact, answer your 8 questions that you outlined here.  What they don't answer, however, (and we are often backed into a corner to try and get the answer - from listing agents) is "What is the maximum the borrower qualifies for?"  Um, sorry, not going to tell you that.  We consult with the borrower and their agent on how much they are going to offer and, if they qualify, then that's what we write the letter for.  Why give the seller room to negotiate higher if we don't have to????

I often tell these listing agents (yes, they do call - often) that they can go to one of the big banks in town and they would get the same EXACT letter.  How do I know?  I wrote it when I used to underwrite there.  And, when it has their logo on it, no questions asked.  Infuriates me!!!

Maryellen

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Donne: I wish there was a better word than "conditional." That would not help Realtors believe that there was teeth in that document. What is a better word? I will need to think about that.

I agree with the DU/AUS approval. It is huge. Maybe you should write a post explaining this to the Realtor community? I don't think they understand how this fits in.

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p.s. Underwrote files for several years, NEVER heard of a refi coming before a purchase.

Problem now is that lenders laid off staff and then rates dropped, new files came in by the truck load.  Now they have twice, or three times, the volume, with half the staff.

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Maryellen: You hit the nail on the head. That is the exact reason that things are slow.

I made the comment in this post about purchases being first in line because of reading complaints by Realtors that their loans are slower because of the refi boomlet.

They are slow, but for the reasons you stated. Our bank is actually having a job fair because they need people so badly.

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You are right, Realtors simply don't understand how things work behind the scenes.  Nor should they.  That's why it's important to partner with someone you "trust" - not simply someone you "like."  Huge difference between those two words.  Great job here, BTW.

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Janet- Thx for the suggestion on the blog post; I may take you up on that but right now need to run out and meet with a client.  As for calling the approval something else, you can call it whatever you like but the fact remains, it's still a conditional approval and anyone who tells you otherwise isn't being honest.

Having said that though, there are many ways we in the mortgage biz can make sure our approvals have as few conditions as possible.  If Realtors don't understand that w/o a property we are not going to get a full approval, then it is our responsibility to educate them.

Yes, I know, one more thing on our plate that we need to be extremely knowledgeable about but think of it this way, it's just one more way of separating the true professionals from the idiots.

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Janet, thanks for your response and explanation(s).

Looks like you stirred up quite the nest with this topic!  It's a good one - gets everyone to think.

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Maryellen:

I think it may always be the case that a preapproval from a bank (A "direct" lender) carries more weight than from a broker. I think we could argue endlessly here in the Rain about this, but I happen to agree with you. That idea is unfounded in my opinion.

If I have a lender approval with no conditions, it is no different from the bank issuing the approval.

Oh wait. If something doesn't go through, I can place you with any one of my OTHER lenders. You will just be walking out of the bank with your tail between your legs if you went to the bank.

 

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Janet the idea of taking buyers out looking at homes without them being preapproved by one of our lenders seems nuts to me!  In AZ we must submit a Loan Status Report (LSR) with any contract.  The LSR is similar to the old pre-approval letter we used to use here.  I prefer the lender to go many steps further (especially if they are first time home buyes or have had financial issues in the past) and do an application and documentation etc.  I don't want our buyers to be dissappointed and find out they really aren't able to buy their dream home.  I respect our lenders and they respect us. I find that working as a team benefits everybody.

Thanks...........I appreciated all this discussion.

Anna Banana Phoenix, AZ

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Janet - thanks your for the post. I always feel good when I am working with buyers and I have a previous relationship with the mortgage broker.  It is frustrating when we are working with the sellers and we need to be at the mercy of who the buyers pick as their mortgage broker.

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Anna: I think the loan status report makes alot more sense than what is done in most states. It also supports my idea that it is a "status of" questions instead of a yes or no question.

I am also very much in favor of working as a team. So often I see situations where we are working against each other. Funny when everyone has the same goal...making the client happy!

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Kathleen: Maybe it wouldn't feel so uncomfortable when you are working with an unknown lender if you called her.

I find a conversation with a Realtor makes a world of difference in terms of a transaction going smoothly.

I do understand you are entrusting an unknown with a commission and a client. And neither of those is easy to come by these days.

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I am a guilty Realtor who doesn't give much weight to the generic pre-approval letters that are so easily obtained.  If I received a letter like yours it would carry much more weight and the client would be taken much more serious.  I hope you blog take hold and starts a wave of change.

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Why, Simon, I hope you are right because anything that adds trust and confidence to the transaction is a good thing. Thanks for the comment.

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THis was EXCELLENT, Janet. Too bad so many of your peers who issue these seem to have a different persepctive. Most we see are so generic they are meaningless. If they were all like yours we would be golden. Bookmarked to refer to again and again.

Jeff

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Jeff: I learn so much from these comments, you cannot imagine how important it is to get a comment from someone in California.

I think many mortgage brokers are guilty of just believing that a Realtor could care less about the preapproval letter, and are not really lazy or evasive.

 But the exact opposite is true. The Realtor community is hungry for solid information that will determine the course of the transaction.

Getting a letter that "approves" but doesn't give supporting facts is like a Realtor sitting in front of a client and saying, "you should buy this house".

It begs for more information .

 

7:25pm • #79

In reading this post, and being a loan officer for the last 26 years, I have to say that I have seen pre-approval letters that were bogus out there. To me a pre-approval is nothing unless you have the actual approval by the lender that is subject to only property conditions, like appraisal, Title repost and contract.. and maybe inspecitons.

If a realtor wants to do a good service to the prospect, then she/he should let the loan officer they trust to do the due diligence of getting the full credit package approved by the lender, so that it is a true approval and again with the exception of the property.

It is in my opinion to go into contract without having this done first. AT least it saves all the headaches and the frustrations.  I

By just figuring out income, credit and assets is not the only thing a lender looks at for the loan to approved.. I know that some of you know that.

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Hope you don't mind if I send on your link to my mortgage banker from Wells Fargo.  Thanks a million.  Gina

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Janet,

I have been reading your blogs for some time now...some make me think, some piss me off, some confuse me, some impress me, but after reading about 8 of them now, I do see a pattern.  While they are put together with good intentions, great applicable pictures, well done format, great topic choices that I personally would expound more on, as well as subject matter that appears to be supported by experience, I cannot help but disagree most of the time with you!  I am not going to leave you a comment on your blog as to MY personal qualifications.  I will only say that I disagree with you, my mentor disagrees with you, as well as MOST top mortgage originators and trainers would absolutely disagree with you!  I will break this down as to why, and definitely look forward to your response.

1st of all, I believe your whole premise for the post, is based around the fact that YOU, or someone like you, is working with a realtor for the first time, or someone new.  A small few of your comments, like Lenn's, addressed the fact that we are in a "relationship building" time....and that couldnt be more true!  Teaching moments have to become more prevelant, but Realtors have to be willing to accept change as well!  The ones I deal with here, I already have a relationship with, and they trust my judgement.  That said, listing agents are definitely opportunities as well, so I can appreciate that that part of your post! 

2nd, under the comments that shocked me section, if I WERE a REALTOR reading this, I would be completely turned off by this!  IT IS YOUR JOB as an originator to qualify the customer, NOT the realtors job!!! NEVER HAS BEEN< AND NEVER WILL BE!!!  Janet, me personally, I dont want the customer being qualified by ANY realtor!  Know why?? I have seen dozens, in fact, I take that back, I have DONE dozens of loans that were thought of by a Realtor, and in some cases, another bank, as not being qualified to purchase a home.  I am HAPPY about that, because it is job security!  These three suggestions are ridiculous at best.  AGAIN, it is our job to qualify the borrower!  It is the Realtors job to develop leads, that turn into buyers, sellers, and/or listers!  it is OUR JOB as business partners to HELP THEM!!!  We do this by giving them leads, by SHARING business practices, and ideas...NOT, by making them do our job!

3rd, Your section on the yes or no question is very good.  I really liked the part of PRE- standing for prediction!  I could not possibly agree more!  That is ALL a pre-approval letter is...a prediction, based on the experience of the lender or originator, and is also based on a credit report, application, and the fact that the customer is telling US the truth!  If you have the other things you mention that is great!  However, MOST realtors I have dealt with, want to know early on that the customer you are working with as a TEAM, actually has DONE what they say they did, or are doing.

4th, the ironclad questions....hmmm...last I looked, you just described a loan COMMITTMENT....the only things you really are leaving OUT, are that it would be subject to clean appraisal, title, and adequate insurance coverage.   BAM, that is a LOAN COMMITTMENT!!!  NOT a pre-approval.   What I believe we need to start doing, is getting the bloody things OUT on time, so the realtors don't have to call us looking for them!  in addition, they need to be willing to start accepting them, with contingencies on them.  Such as appraisal review, etc....However, I do realize, this does change from State to State, and I would recommend EVERYONE check with their local board of Realtors on this subject to determine what the actual facts are, and not just accept the attitude of "well, it has always been done that way"

Janet, you want the Realtors to do more work?  huh??  You want the Realtors to pre-qualify YOUR borrower?? huh?  You give 8 ways to make the deal iron clad, yet in today's market , NOTHING is iron clad until you have a clear to close!  

Part of our job also, is to help the borrower determine the best program for them, based on the property they are intrested in.  So, when you make a blanket statement like #1.  Credit Report: Your readers need to know that JUST BECAUSE YOU as the lender pull their report, that doesnt mean the COMPANY you chose to use will be accepted by the funder, as well as the fact that THEIR credit score on their report, might be different!  This is crucial in quoting a rate, let alone qualifying a borrower.  2. Application: explain what comes into play, for example, child support, alimony, OTHER DEBTS that dont report to the bureau! 3.  Proof of income & assets??  Huh?? what is that today?  Clarify please!  A check stub could have pitfalls as well!  Like, payroll deduction loans, child support, garnishments,overtime that will screw up your income maximums for things like USDA loans,  and lets also say their address is different on the check, or their company name doesnt appear..etc..etc..etc.. or, on the assets, let's say you only have pages 1,2, & 3 of 4.  missing page 4 could hold up your loan! 4.  Verbal Verification should and will happen right before closing by all funders today!  Many different programs make us send them in right away for approval, but again, it varies!  5.  Automated underwriting is NICE, but garbage in , garbage out!  Many times, it might only ASK for a verbal VOE...but hey, let's be honest with everyone...that isnt flying anymore!  6.  If the lender has CLEARED all the stipulations, then HEY, once again, you have an APPROVAL, NOT PRE-APPROVAL!  #7 & #8, BOTH ARE ON THE LOAN COMMITTMENT! 

I think what you have proven very well with this blog, is that education is very important.  Partnership, education, and the willingness to accept & embrace change. 

Thanks...Darin

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If we know the lender who did the pre-qual then we will put trust in the info -- but someone we never heard of and have no experience with - not so much.

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Amen!  I once had a lender email me a blank pre-approval letter, instructing me to fill in the names and amounts of any buyers I came across.

8:55pm • #85

Great post, but bottom line from my point of view has to do with the amount the buyer is approved for. From my experience, the buyer's agent asks the lender to do a letter for the amount of money the buyer is offering for the property. It may be that the buyer qualifies for more, but don't want to pay more for the property.

I do agree that it all depends on where the buyers are for the approval--i.e. whether they are just "pre-qualified" or whether they are "pre-approved" with the loan originator having pulled credit, etc., and supporting documentation provided.

Nevertheless, because these letters can be tailor made to fit the offer being made, even if the buyer has been fully approved, they are still not worth the paper they are printed on. However, they are better than nothing at all, and they give some comfort to the seller.

Judy Luna

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You have pointed out good questions for both buyer's and listing agents to ask whenever an offer is made. I think the question about "How Long Ago the Approval was made" is very important in today's lending requirements. Things change so rapidly.

I almost always educate my buyers about getting pre-approved, ie with documents reviewed by lenders. It just makes the offer so much more solid. That's a huge portion of what I care about - is when I have a strong leverage to negotiate for my buyer clients. They are not only pre-qualified, I'm telling you they are pre-approved.

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Hello to Darin:

I am wondering if somehow you have mis-interpreted the first part of the post? Those statements in bold were comments MADE BY REALTORS on a different post. They were not my suggestions that Realtors should qualify their clients. Quite the opposite.

I disagreed with every one of these comments at the end...my own remarks were the ones that were inside the ( ) and not bolded..perhaps you missed these?

For the record, the premise of the post was this: A Realtor should not believe he can qualify a client himself. He needs the services of a competent mortgage professional. We seem to agree here, which is why I think the first part might have been confusing.

The second premise was this: prequalification letters could be improved, and the qualification process better understood, and that would benefit Realtors.

Should I believe that "you, your mentors, other top originators and trainers"  disagree with either one of these ideas?

Finally, you seem to disagree with my word "ironclad", by pointing out everything that could go wrong as the borrower proceeds through the steps.

I would still rather have an iron gate than one made of wet paper, wouldn't you?

 

 

 

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Janet,

You are very gracious to Darin in your reply.  I think, perhaps, he did mis-interpret your post.  I look forward to his reply.

Have a great night.  It was a pleasure speaking to you earlier today.

Maryellen

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Janet, Thank you for qualifying WHO should be doing the qualifying. We walk a fine line between breaking a borrower's privacy and discussing some of the nitty gritty about 'viability' of their applicaiton as you well know. A savvy realtor appreciates that even an AU-approve is only theory until we have the docs on the underwriter's desk.

Timely too: I was recently asked to prequal a client who didn't have sufficient evidence of assets and income and one of their documents was from a foreign bank (in Euros) so naturally I could not actually verify these as on deposit in a US bank or subsidiary. Imagine the surprise of their realtor when another 'bank' gave her a letter and I could not! Imagine their surprise when later down the road their assets may or may not be sufficient!?  

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Seems that some lenders just play the used car technique and throw things on the wall and see if if will stick. The letter state IF the buyer does this and that and don't do this and that.. This is a little scary when you take a home off the market and the deal falls apart just 2 days before closing because there is no way or nor was there ever a way that this buyer can get a clear to close.

Just my 2 cents

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Hey Janet,  I find any 'letter' a poor substitute to a good honest discussion with a Realtor --and one that appreciates that the seller may not need to know everything. Really boils down to mutual respect based on a solid track record.

10:53pm • #92

Janet- this is fantastic...  I love the more detailed PreApproval letter!  This, and honest discourse with the Realtor are so essential in this ever-changing market!  As you know, we need to have real conversations with the client and uncover any issues that may arrise down the road. 

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Janet,

Good morning. Clearly you have touched on several points [though you have also received several well posted rebuttal thoughts]. That said; Have you ever seen/ provided a Pre-approval that was Contingent Free? They all seem to include some form of text that could allow an array of reasons the lender would not have to preform/ provide financing.

Through my many years [primarily marketing Waterfront; new product and re-sales] I do not recall ever requesting a Buyer to get pre-approved prior to doing my job- or having included within my Listings that a 'pre-approval was a Requirement for a showing', though prior to submitting an offer, I will always suggest my Buyers obtaining a loan Ccommitment that I can attach [for the subject property].

...and while some may jest at this pratice, I have found my Relationship with the Client [generally a referral from a prior [closed purchaser] Client] to be more valuable that what can be 'faxed nights or weekends'.

:) Steven http://www.GulfHarbors34652.net  ~  http://www.SeaViewPlace.Info

 

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Steven: I have never provided a preapproval letter that is contingent free. Although I do not add text that is purely for the purpose of wiggling out if the loan can not be completed.

I specifically tell what I have done to qualify the client and what the results have been.

I presume your last statement means that knowing your clients and trusting your instincts is better than any letter that can be faxed nights or weekends. And to that I would say...I also believe in my instincts. But instinct, as good as it is, is not better than a professional opinion of whether the client is has loanability.

 

 

 

 

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Judy L., you said this:

because these letters can be tailor made to fit the offer being made, even if the buyer has been fully approved, they are still not worth the paper they are printed on.

Why do you consider the time and effort involved in approving a client for a loan "worthless"?

Would you rather just take a chance that a buyer can get a loan?

1:09am • #96

I disagree with your assertion that realtors shouldn't examine a buyer's personal financial information. It's essential that a Realtor get a complete financial disclosure from the buyer including their future goals and objectives relative to their real estate and other financial assets.

The information could determine the most prudent action for the buyer's best interest and benefit. Do you believe the real estate turmoil would have been prevented if real estate agents had the buyers best interest foremost instead of their own? Same question for loan officers and mortgage brokers.

Additionally, a qualified Realtor could also provide mortgage services and wouldn't need the services of a loan officer or mortgage broker. A professional realtor can ascertain the maximum amount of debt service a buyer can endure without adverse risk exposure. As realtors, isn't that our primary responsibility to our clients? We are suppose to look out for our clients best interest, aren't we?

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Then if someone came in with a preapproval letter and refused to give you any more financial info you would just write them off?

Correct.  I'm the one taking the risk of showing and brokering a real estate transaction.  The mortgage loan officer isn't taking any risk.  There may be conditions to their "preapproval" that an agent needs to know.  

I only accept buyers who are completely cooperative with me. 

I'm not a taxi service.  I'm a real estate broker and buyers must qualify for a mortgage loan if they plan to finance the purchase.  I'm entitled to know the buyer's abilities resources. 

It's almost a moot point because it's only happened three times in all my years.  Buyers with whom I speak understand that we can't help them if we're working in the dark.  I'm ready to give them my time if they are ready to cooperate.

Funny thing, most buyers with whom I speak volunteer their financial information just so I know what they can and/or want to do.  We're a team. 

Agents who work in the dark are the ones who write posts about difficult settlements or sales that never close. 

5:28am • #98

Janet, that is a great post!  And while I hope it motivates a few Realtors to NOT try and qualify their own buyers, I also hope that a Loan Officer or two starts taking the approval process more seriously as well.  Great info, thanks! 

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I discuss financing with my clients and carefully review pre-approvals and DU as well, especially important when I'm the listng agent.  I have a strong background in real estate finance as my mom has been in the industry since I was 6, and I've spent many years working with her in it. 

I would greatly appreciate the type of pre-approval you suggest.

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Janet, Great Post, lot of great info. Thanks!

 

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Janet, I consider the SOURCE of the pre-approval letter, as well as the CONTENT.  If I don't know the lender who issued it, I ask around my office or my soi to determine other agents' experience with that lender.  I agree that having those eight questions answered would create a more favorable response, especially if the lender is unfamiliar to the listing agent receiving the pre-approval with an offer.

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Kimo: I respectfully disagree with you that Realtors should become involved in the finances of their clients.

I have been both a Realtor and a mortgage broker, and I firmly believe that the client is best served by keeping the 2 professions separate. I do think the entire real estate industry would present a much more valuable product to the world if real estate agents and mortgage professionals worked more closely as a team and developed trust among themselves.

It is why my posts so often follow this theme.

You said:

A professional realtor can ascertain the maximum amount of debt service a buyer can endure without adverse risk exposure. As realtors, isn't that our primary responsibility to our clients?

Agree that you CAN do this. But not as well as someone who specializes mortgage lending, and lives and breathes in rates, guideline changes, and credit information.

You never see mortgage brokers who decide they want to drive their clients around and show them houses....doing the job of the Realtor......why do you think that is?

 

 

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great information. i am definelty passing this onto my agents.  thanks.

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Margaret:

You bring up a good point. I have been tempted to attach testimonials and references to my preapproval letters, just so that the Realtor will have more confidence that I am legit.

However, RPM, my company is large and well known with a good reputation.

And, when you see a preapproval letter like I write, it is so different from what they are used to seeing, and so heavily detailed, it usually wows them.

I also encourage them to call, and when they do, are free with information..up to a point.

But they know I have done my job, and know right where the client is in the process.

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Christine:

I find that those with a background in lending actually love these letters.

Chad: I suspect many do take it personally, but it is not apparent from the letters they send out.

Lenn: I have always admired the strong positions you take with your business. There is no doubt in my mind that this gives you the ability to have those conversations with your.

Actually, I think I take a huge risk when I don't cover my bases with a preapproval letter. That risk is letting the Realtor, the buyer, and the seller down.

10:10am • #106

Great tips Janet...sounds like I need to modify mine!!

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Susan @ Loannetter: I completely agree that conversation is a great component and I strive for that always.

But a letter with a signature means authority to most people. It is the reason everyone is so upset when what the letter says does not pan out. I think both are required for the best chance of a great transaction.

To Roland: Sounds like you have had some closings fall apart at the end. You cannot afford to have that happen, wouldn't you agree? That is why it is extremely important for listing agents to review the preapproval letters, and even call the mortgage broker to find out what has been accomplished in the approval process. You owe this to your seller. Use the questions I have listed here, and insist on the answers.

It is way better to know before you take the house off the market, right?

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Dear Janet,

I think the lack of trust in our area is because most buyers only have a prequalification letter.

That is generally written based upon a credit check and a phone conversation with a lender.

Not much to rely on!

Barbara

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Loreena: There have not been too many comments like yours, so I would like to respond.

The well written and detailed preapproval letter is a HUGE advantage when negotiating on behalf of your buyer.

I could tell countless stories of how my borrowers were able to get offers accepted mainly because they were competeing against others with those stale out of date letters that tell the seller absolutely nothing.

My letters are so famous and powerful that I am guessing they have saved my clients literally thousands of dollars. I am constantly asked by other mortgage brokers to write their letters.

We bloggers are pretty good writers, huh? Comes in handy!

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Joetta: Preapproval letters should never be form letters and you should not be using that lender!

Gina: I don't mind but I am laughing imagining the guy at Wells Fargo looking at my post sent over by you.

MaryAnn: In Calif, the option to have a full lender approval prior to the property being identified is going away. Lenders do not want to underwrite without the appraisal in the package.

That is why it is more important than ever for Realtors to know what has been done towards qualifying the client.

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Janet - Your last comment to Kimo really says it all and pretty much the point I believe you're trying to make here is that Realtors and LO's need to do the jobs we are paid to do in the best interest of our mutual client and to try and work with each other as best as possible because in the long run, that is what is our mutual client needs and expects from us as the true professionals that we are.

Just because a Realtor has learned something about the mortgage industry in the many years that they have been a Realtor doesn't mean they are capable of originating a loan.  Unless they have actually originated a loan before they are no more experienced than that newbie LO who just started.  On the flip side, just because I possess a license with the CA DRE and have been originating loans for nearly eight years does not mean I am capable to list and sell a clients home.  Nor would I ever even think of trying because in doing so I would be doing my client a grave disservice in not allowing them to have a truly professional Realtor provide that service for them.

However, as I mentioned before, it's the Realtors, who have never originated a loan, who think that just because they are an experienced Realtor that they know how to do my job and can do it better than me that irritate and annoy me the most.  In my nearly eight years in the business, I have seen more Realtors screw up and obstruct our mutual client's loan because of their interfering behavior and actions and their arrogant attitude of thinking that they know more than me about the loan process just because they have been a Realtor longer than I've been an LO.  In the end, all they did was reveal to our mutual client how truly ignorant they are of the mortgage industry and the way that it operates.

The best way that Realtors and LO's can serve our mutual clients is to learn to work together and grant each other the professional courtesy that our mutual client expects of us.  If that entails picking up the phone and calling each other in order to learn more about each other as well as acquire information about the status of our mutual clients transaction, then that is what we need to do.  If you're not willing to do that, then you should find another line of work.  The real estate industry as well as the mortgage industry are professional, customer service-oriented businesses and these transactions require the services of committed, professional, customer service-oriented agents.  If that doesn't describe you and what you have to offer then get out of the business because the consumer doesn't need and/or want you handling one of the most important transactions of their life.

This continued lack of respect for each other and the services that we offer is so tiresome and the consumer is so done with it all, which may be one of the many reasons why many of them view us the way that they do.  We (Realtors & LO's) all need to change the way we work and treat each other; until we learn to do that the consumer won't begin to trust and respect us and/or what we have to offer them.

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Janet - sorry for the long comment.  I didn't realize how long it was until I actually posted it.  My bad.  :)

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You never need to apologize for sharing your wisdom and insight on my posts, Donne.

You are right that the original idea was a total rant on my part about why Realtors believe in do it yourself preapprovals, and why they distrust the information given to them by the lending world.

 That led to how bad some preapproval letter really are....which let to, well, you know, how things could be better..specifically the letter.

That is why I think it is up to us to change the attitude of the real estate community towards the mortgage profession. We can start by delivering FACTS that help them do their job, and helping them understand the process it takes to get an approval. If our opinions don't carry any clout with them, they certainly cannot argue with facts.

You know what they always say: knowing just a little about something makes you dangerous. Knowing everything I know about the lending world, if I was a Realtor, I would NEVER EVER try to figure out an approval myself, and I would make it a #1 priority to go out  and find the BEST mortgage person I could to help my business.

 

11:35am • #114

I love the eight questions you suggest, this give the buyers, realtors and everyone envolved in the transaction a solid referance point. Thank you for your post!!

Suzzanne Medina
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Janet, great post...i am forwarding this one to the office staff. 

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Janet - As both you and I know first hand, the current market and its many challenges is going to be a real test on those of us who to choose to stay in the real estate and mortgage industries.  Those that have what it takes to survive will and those that don't won't.

The only way we (Realtors & LO's) are going to be able to survive is to become truly knowledgeable, competent, honest, professionals who assist our mutual clients through one of the most important transaction of their life.  Those that fail to rise to this level will continue to be driven out of business.  We've been watching this happen for awhile now and we're most certainly not done yet.

Just because we may not know each other or may have never worked with each before doesn't give us the privilege of automatically dismissing each other as incompetent and/or untrustworthy.  Try and think of it as an opportunity to get to know someone who has what it takes to still be in business.

Just the other day, a Realtor made a comment to me (in front of my client and his Realtor) that she had never heard of me or my company so therefore, I must be new to the business.  As soon as she said that, my client's Realtor (who I absolutely adore) said, "maybe that's because many of the peole you've worked with before are no longer in business".

He went on to say that he has worked with my on a few transactions over the years and now considers me one of the best LO's he's ever worked with.  Needless to say, I was so moved by his words, I had to really fight back the feeling of tears coming to my eyes (the perfect ending to a really tough few days).

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that those of us (LO's) who are still in business are working as hard as ever to serve our clients.  The current lending environment is one of the most challenging environments I have ever worked in.  When I provide a pre-approval for a client, I have spent quite a bit of time and energy to get my client to that point.  The last thing I need is some arrogant Realtor dismissing me, my time and efforts as worthless.

If they you don't know me or my company or don't trust my report on my clients ability to purchase a home, call me and ask me anything you want.  I assure you, I will provide whatever info I have to make you feel more confident about me, my company or my clients ability to purchase a home.  I welcome the opportunity to developing an open and honest relationship with you throughout the entire transaction.

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Janet,

First off, this is an absolutely fantastic approach.  Great stuff!

I do hope, however, in the future that if you are going to quote me I hope you will not take it out of context.   Your post here really had much of the same philosophy as my comments to Jennifer Allan's blog. 

For reference, this is what I posted on her blog...

Great post Jennifer!  Again!

1) I think most Realtors do not realize that a prequalification letter is not proof of qualification and really is only worth that the potential buyer has as least started the process of considering a loan.  It does not really prove they are qualified to buy a house.

2) I still contend, as I have written before, that many Realtors use the need for proof of pre-qualification as a lazy way to try and qualify buyers.  We buy property and never have such a letter.  Guess they won't want to show us property.  That's fine, their loss.  We can easily find a great Realtor that will ask enough things to know we are "mutually qualified" to work together.

3) My thought is that the honest way to do this is to talk about money, prices, expectations early and often.  This helps you help the client and the others involved far more than a prequalifcation letter.  But, it requires effort and skill to ask the right questions and properly listen to the answers.  Not everyone wants to make that effort.

Thanks! G

You extracted only one segment and made a very interesting assumption....

1.  "talk about money, prices, expectations early and often.  This helps you help the client and the others involved far more than a prequalification letter"

(The "Teacher" approach. They don't need to be prequalified, they just need a lesson from their Realtor)

I never said they did not need to be prequalified.  Your assessment is out of context and also explicitly states to readers that I said something that I did not say nor even suggest.

I was stressing that Realtors that refuse to do little and demand a prequalification letter before spending much time with a potential client are missing the point. 

I submit that your approach does exactly the same thing... it brings detailed discussion of money, prices and expectations up to the front and out in the open early.  That is a good thing.   A very good thing. 

But just because you use the prequalification process as the framework for the discussion does not mean a majority of the Realtors do this... nor does it mean that that the traditional prequalification letter alone works as a good method of qualifying a client.  

With all due respect, I think we are in agreement on the important discussion of money but I am disappointed in how you created examples of what not to do.  Such an approach can darken a great post with doubt about what other comments or statements have been distorted just to create a setup for a topic.

Thanks!  G

 

 

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Donne (and Janet),

"Try and think of it as an opportunity to get to know someone who has what it takes to still be in business."

Amen!!!

Maryellen

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 Sorry Glenn, maybe I actually did mis-interpret what you wrote.  I am sorry if that is the case, and I appreciate the gentlemanly way you handled this comment.

I was not trying to imply nor did I believe your statement meant you thought NO prequalification was required. If my sarcastic comment at the end twisted things, I hope you will forgive me... But I am still not sure we agree.

The premise of my post was that Realtors should not try to become involved in the prequalification process, and instead rely on a detailed preapproval letter from a competent mortgage professional.

I believed your statement "This helps you help the client and the others involved far more than a prequalifcation letter" to mean that you believe a prequalification letter does not help the client as much as "talking about money, prices, expectations early and often."

You also used your own personal experience to validate there is not a need to be preapproved to work with a Realtor, by saying: We can easily find a great Realtor that will ask enough things to know we are "mutually qualified" to work together. I believed you meant that preapproval letters are overrated and if a Realtor asks enough questions, that should be enough to qualify a borrower.

Finally (and sorry to be working backwards) you stated this:

  most Realtors do not realize that a prequalification letter is not proof of qualification and really is only worth that the potential buyer has as least started the process of considering a loan.  It does not really prove they are qualified to buy a house.

I believed you meant that a prequalification letter has very little value because it proves nothing.

 You said: your approach does exactly the same thing... it brings detailed discussion of money, prices and expectations up to the front and out in the open early.

I believe our approaches are different, but perhaps I am wrong. You will need to tell me, Glenn.

We both are in agreement that information should be upfront and center in the beginning of the transaction, and also that preapproval letters are not very valuable as they stand now.

But I am saying FIX the preapproval letter so the Realtor has hard facts to use when making decisions. I think you are saying, get the Realtor more involved by asking more in depth questions.

 

 

 

 

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Hi Janet,

I think we are still more on the same page than you may realize.   In fact, I admit I'm a bit intrigued at places you still think we are saying different things.  I can be very literal.  That may help you understand my writing.

I love the idea of the improved pre-approval letter from the lender.  Love it.  Make it mean something and get the customer thinking too.

As far as the Realtor, or any other professional in any business, I advocate that you must learn more about the customer, their needs, their budget, their goals and their wants and their dislikes. Learning that sooner than later can help a project succeed efficiently.

Even with a great pre-approval letter, the Realtor still needs to be able to talk about money with the customer.  That does not necessarily mean the mortgage.  But what is the price range, what is really affordable, what are the budget goals, what are the limitations, what are the time-frames.  If I am a Realtor and don't know these things, I am more likely to waste everyone's time as we look to make a deal on a house.

Your letter would actually help the Realtor move through some of this discussion faster and more efficiently because the client will have needed to really think about money already.  That is a good thing.

I do think my use of the phrase "mutually qualified" needs more explanation.   This means nothing about a loan.  In fact, to me "mutually qualified" is a phrase we use in sales training across any industry.   It means that you help determine that the potential client is someone you are very well suited to do business with... and the client is someone that will do their part for a successful project. 

Out initial meetings with customers are designed to help us determine if the relationship can form that will be mutually successful.  It requires we look at the relationship from both perspectives, not just our own.  

Are we really well suited to help this client?   Are they going to be a cooperative, interactive client?  Can both parties do what is needed and willingly do what is needed for success?   Do we all agree on what success is?   If the client is a company or a couple, do they have a single idea of success we can meet?  If not, can the different opinions be resolved?  Are we expected to do that?

Sometimes we find we are not the best choice for the client and try to point them to someone that will do a better job for their particular needs or goals.  Sometimes the client is not properly funded, not committed or does not want to understand they are an important part of the project.   That's okay but would not be a good client, at least not for us.  Maybe for someone else.

I submit that we all "mutually qualify" clients, just most people do it after the deal is rolling or finished.  (Ever hear someone say the client was a disaster, or a professional you can tell near the end is in over their head because they were overly ambitious, inexperience or maybe just lazy).  We advocate working on this early to save all the grief of a failed or challenged project.

Back to our discussion, I would agree that my opinion of that many pre-approval letters are over-rated by many Realtors.  Not all.  I would submit that your suggestions about improving these letter shows you may agree.  After all, if you thought that most were good already, there would not be much to improve!

But far more important to me... my point was that I am not pleased by Realtors that refuse to work with a client that does not have a pre-approval letter AND use this as "proof" to the world that the client is not a valid customer.  

I contend that these Realtors that boast of turning away potential clients solely because they lack a pre-approval letter and think they are properly screening clients that are not serious... are really failing to consider any other possibilities and turn away some exceptionally qualified clients. Plus the boasting does not help the reputation of the Realtor as someone interested in helping clients. 

Now, perhaps that is because I show up without a pre-approval letter when I look at property.  So maybe I have a personal bias on this.  But I also do not look at property that is out of my price range and my loans are never a problem.  But we are fortunate.  And honestly, if all a Realtor wants to know first is "do you have a pre-approval letter" then I'm sure I'll be moving along to the next Realtor.  Now, I have no problem with them asking about my money situation.  Love that.  But if the conversation stops because I don't have a letter, then I want a Realtor that will do a bit more mutual qualification and learn that I can afford the property even if I don't have that letter.

Great discussion and thanks for the thoughtful response!

G

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Glenn: You are right: I did not understand what you were trying to say with your comment. Thanks for the clarification.Since we have both written off the chart comments I will keep this short.

  1. When I am the customer I am always amazed at how few times someone takes the time to ask me the most basic questions about what is important, and what I want. It is a huge void in the entire sales process, and you are one of the only people who talks about this.
  2. Your mutually qualified concept is pretty interesting...when I have turned down business, the customer is always shocked and insulted...salespeople are supposed to want ANY and EVERY warm body, after all. Who stops to think if you "want" the client?
  3. Maybe Realtors feel burned because they have wasted their time and effort on someone that could not get a loan. Maybe instead of being unhelpful or lazy, they are being prudent. Many in the industry have spent hours on clients that eventually could not get a loan. What a waste of time and energy, not to mention disheartening.
  4. There is another huge void in the real estate industry: Reators refuse to consider spending any time finding and nurturing lender relationships.  That, in my mind, is the most lazy thing in the world, considering how much a great lender relationship saves the Realtor time and money.
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WOW !!! Quite the meaty dialogue (and very enlightening, of course!)

I, too, read the exchanges posted in another blog... where an agent mentioned looking up her would-be clients on Google to determine their ability to qualify, and I shook my head and walked away....what were they thinking???!!!!

I tell all my Buyers that my mortgage loan officer(s) are people who work with me, as a partner in the process. They do what they do everyday of the week and I respect the fact that they are the expert in that aspect of the business - not me.

I received my training to become licensed as a REALTOR and since (as Janet stated accurately) many of us know just enough about getting people qualified/approved on a mortgage to be "dangerous".

Loan officers do not attempt to do my job....and I do not try to do theirs (and I never will).

Thank goodness for that - life is good!

Edith Schreiber - Dallas, TX

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"...Reators refuse to consider spending any time finding and nurturing lender relationships.  That, in my mind, is the most lazy thing in the world, considering how much a great lender relationship saves the Realtor time and money."

Janet - AMEN!  I couldn't agree with you more girlfriend. 

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Janet,

Yea, we can get long winded.  I think it shows some zest for the discussion though. 

I do agree some Realtors may feel burned about "wasting time" on buyers that could not get approved.  However, they are only "burnt" by their own failure to understand the situation earlier and to know the client better.  Of course, we can all get fooled by some slick folks and that just happens sometimes.  But I think it will be rare that any type of letter will prevent that and using the "proof" of funds be the filter will likely push away more good clients than bad.  May depend on the market though.

You can look though my blog for a prior post on mutually qualifying the clients if you are interested.  It was several months ago.  I'm not posting the link as I don't want to redirect from this blog.  Would be "bad form."

All the best! G

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Actually Glenn, I do not consider links to be bad form.

Even if everyone else in the Rain-o-sphere thinks this is bad form, I am very proud that my subscribers contribute such rich and thought provoking dialogue. When my comments outshine my posts, then I have been the most successful.

I think my subscribers are absolutely brilliant! I love  reading their posts and their comments!

Because of the number of comments I receive, I am unable to make many comments on my subscriber's blogs. Now THAT is bad form. But I can't help it. Time only allows so much blogging, so I contribute the best way I know how.

I am always thrilled to have a link so that I can read more of what they are thinking.

The most valuable thing about ActiveRain in my mind, are these very in depth discussions. Please provide that link, and please know how very much I (and all the other readers) appreciate your very unique point of view.

 Links, long comments, and opposing viewpoints are always welcome here!

 

 

10:04am • #126

Janet,

Congratulations on this GREAT post !!!!!!

I do agree 100% on the due diligence we as Buyer's agents need to do before wasting anyone's precious time. Some of these Mtg Brokers just don't have a clue... I had several buyers tell me that they are approved by so and so for this much.  My question always as I see the pre-approval is how much are you comfortable paying for PITI a month?. You would be amazed how many can't really afford and/or do not want to go over a certain payment.

Another issue in the current market is the amount of foreclosures available. A lot of realtors don't realize that most of these homes are not FHA approved. However, they are available through a FHA203K loan.

Thanks again for this wonderful post.... Keep them coming !!!!! 

Yoana Pelaez
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Janet,

Congratulations on this GREAT post !!!!!!

I do agree 100% on the due diligence we as Buyer's agents need to do before wasting anyone's precious time. Some of these Mtg Brokers just don't have a clue... I had several buyers tell me that they are approved by so and so for this much.  My question always as I see the pre-approval is how much are you comfortable paying for PITI a month?. You would be amazed how many can't really afford and/or do not want to go over a certain payment.

Another issue in the current market is the amount of foreclosures available. A lot of realtors don't realize that most of these homes are not FHA approved. However, they are available through a FHA203K loan.

Thanks again for this wonderful post.... Keep them coming !!!!! 

 

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I recently came across your blog and have been reading along. I thought I would leave my first comment. I don't know what to say except that I have enjoyed reading. Nice blog. I will keep visiting this blog very often.

Alessandra

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Hello Janet,

I am sorry that it took me so long to respond to your comment towards my response!  arghh..that was a mouthful.   I assure you, it was only because I have been swamped, not due to lack of desire!

I stand corrected on the premise for the post.  I went back, read your other blogs, and some of those posts, and now I understand where you are coming from.  However, I still stand behind the fact that being clear about YOUR point is important.  I am a very bright guy, regardless of what MaryEllen may think.  I dont just comment on peoples blogs without THINKING about them!  More importantly, I comment on a blog from the perspective of someone NOT IN THE MORTGAGE or REALESTATE business, and just on here looking or seeking information.

I still like your prediction comment.

Lastly, I also STAND BY THE FACT that you are talking about a LOAN COMMITTMENT NOT PRE APPROVAL LETTER in your blog!  HUMUNGOUS DIFFERENCE HERE!

Personally, unless there is an underwriters signature on something, and a "clear to close" without any suject to requirements on it, YOUR signature does not mean squat...no matter WHAT FORM< or content it is in!

A good honest discussion is the start, then a relationship built on trust & experience is the finish!  In general Janet, Realtors dont like it when we get involved in their line of work, any more than lenders like it when they get involved with the financing.   Oh, and for Mary Ellens satisfaction, I am a 21 year veteran of the mortgage industry, my father was an insurance agent for 30 years, then a Realtor/Broker/Owner, for 18 years in Colorado.   My mentors are Bill Sparkman, and Todd Duncan.

And, Janet you were not kind, you were responsive!  That IS what AR needs, not whining cry babies!  Thank you for that!

I dont mind at all good banter, disagreements, or even heated discussions!  This is a forum that we are lucky to have!  I only want the folks ON AR to blog about subjects from a perspective of exeperience and ACCURACY!!  There is so much mis-information out there, we need to focus on the postive, and not the negative!

I do not want kool aid drinking followers to MY blogs (which are few)....that just say anything to be happy and to make appearances that all is wonderful!  I want followers based on experience, trust, teamwork, and earned respect!  In the end, isnt THAT what we all want!

Thanks for the response!  Darin @ One Source

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Darin,

Thanks for mentioning me in your comment, I'm always flattered.  However, like your original comment left for Janet, you assume a lot.  And, just like you afforded her the opportunity to correct your assumptions, I will hope you will do the same for me.

First, I need to set the record straight, I never thought you were "less than bright" - you articulate your points very well, so I knew that was farthest from the truth.  Also, never in my comment did I say as such.  I was merely pointing out to Janet that she was gracious - most people here on AR fly off the handle at the first sign of spirited discussion.  Janet did not.  She welcomed your comments and gave the floor (on her blog) to you in order to make the conversation that more meaningful.  I was paying her (Janet) a compliment.

Second, I never inquired in to your credentials, nor did I question them.  You have read a lot into what I wrote.  Again, I was simply paying Janet a compliment for giving you the floor, which doesn't happen often enough on AR.  Certainly you understand that.

With respects...Maryellen

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Hello Janet & of course, Mary Ellen,

My brief points would be these.

1.  IF I made assumptions, OUR readers are going to as well!  Whether it is about YOU, or anyone else's comments.   OF couse, I would do the same for you in correcting those assumptions!  We all have to work on here to provide a positive atmosphere, and i AM NOT one of the people you are talking about that just SLAMS SLAMS SLAMS people!  I dont like that either!

2.  I continue to make the point VERY CLEAR that JANET, you are talking about a loan committment!  And again, NOT a pre-approval!  ME, that is AGAIN my point.  This stuff confuses buyers, sellers, newer realtors, as well as other originators who dont have good training or mentorship!

3.  I HATE putting my qualifications out there...as I am NOT arrogant or cocky!  I just want people to understand on this site WHO is reading this stuff!  It is NOT just US in the biz!   It is consumers, and also OTHER TYPES of business's, trying to use this as a platform to sell their wares, or snakeoil!  I am sorry that I even put that there! 

Lastly, I do agree completely that people "fly off the handle"...this IS ARROGANCE, it IS RIDICULOUS, and does not present our profession in a positive manner!  There is SO MUCH confusion in our industry right now, that we simply cannot afford to have petty bickering going on as well!  All it does is make everyone as a whole look bad!  I am merely asking you, and Janet both, to keep in mind WHO is reading this stuff!  If I misunderstood, or misinterpeted something, then YES< I will correct myself IN WRITING< however...if I am ...others are too!  I ask YOU, do you want those people to be consumers?? I know I dont!

Thanks again, and also for the comment about articulation!  I do appreciate it, and WILL ALWAYS appreciate anyone's comment, perspective, or opinion!  Mine IS NOT the only one...amazingly!  LOL

Thank you!>>>my best,

Darin

Darin@osmwi.com

 

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Darin:

I am suggesting the Realtors ask these questions when they get a preapproval letter, so that they are fully informed about their buyer. Depending on the answers to the questions...there could be a loan committment from a bank. Or, there may not be a loan committment from the bank. Either way, the Realtor needs to know the exact status of the approval process.

Some of my lenders will not give a loan committment without an identified property and an appraisal. They won't even underwrite the loan. I think this is a trend in our industry. It places way more pressure on those of us who originate loans to perform our due diligence when communicating to the real estate agent as to where the borrower is in the process of being approved.

Darin, I appreciate your concern about who reads our posts. I agree that the subject covered on this post is very misunderstood, and I am sure that is the reason for so much discussion.

My writing is directed at real estate agents. This is a real estate network. I feel I have something to contribute to my Realtor subscribers because I used to be a Realtor myself before I reinvented myself as a mortgage broker.

Naturally consumers read what we all write.

But just because a guy wanders into Victoria's Secret does not mean they are going to start selling boxer shorts or try to make sure men understand how a bra should fit.

 

 

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"But just because a guy wanders into Victoria's Secret does not mean they are going to start selling boxer shorts or try to make sure men understand how a bra should fit"

ROTFLMAO!  Good Lord girlfriend, I do love your sense of humor, especially after a day like mine.  God, I'm still laughing even as I sit here trying to type.  Way to go Janet! 

Once again, I completely agree that just because someone doesn't understand something that dozens and dozens of others understood completely doesn't mean you should dumb yourself down just to cater to those who didn't take the time to accurately comprehend what they were reading.  As you stated, you're writing to professionals and as professionals, we should be capable of reading, comprehending and thinking before we speak or in this case comment.

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