Apparently, looks matter when you’re seeking a loan.  From a Rice University study:

People who are perceived to be trustworthy are more likely to have a higher credit score and pay lower interest rates on loans, and are less likely to default, according to the study by Rice University in Houston, Texas.

Even when hard facts such as credit scores are available, people rely on an assessment of trustworthiness to decide whether to make a loan.

dudeI’ll admit that I am not immune to this bias.  Much of my business is local and I “pre-judge” the intent if not the credit worthiness on the effort put forth.  Let me give you an example.  Two (different)  people made appointments, the day after Thanksgiving, 2008, to go through a pre-qualification.  Both needed counseling about how to pay down debt and improve their credit scores so that they could buy a home.

The first, an accomplished young man, arrived in like he was headed to the beach; shorts, T-shirt and flip-flops.  While this is the “standard uniform” of a San Diegan on his day off, his documentation reflected his cavalier dress.  We met for 45 minutes, outlined what he could do to prepare for home ownership, and concluded the meeting with a promise to “touch base” after the first of the year.  His dress, behavior, and attitude was “What can you for for me?” I didn’t take his inquiry seriously.

The second, an equally accomplished young lady, came to the appointment dressed to do business.  Her dress, while casual, reflected her solemnity and determination.  She read my article about how to prepare documentation, opened up a notebook, and took copious notes.  Within 30 minutes, we developed a detailed budget and a plan businessto pay down debt while saving for a down payment.  She requested three follow-up phone calls to gauge her progress towards her goal.  Her dress, behavior, and attitude is “How can you help me to help myself?”.  Obviously, she got me to “buy in” to her.

Successful Online Mortgage Shopping- Do You "Dress For Success?"

How might a borrower do this online? Borrowers would do well to understand that a loan originator is “interviewing” you as much as you are “interviewing” them.  I have been persuaded to take on difficult, time-consuming, loan transactions because I felt a sense of mutual respect from my discourse with the borrower.  Borrowers who referenced an online profile, where I could see their picture and resume, received 2-3 times the attention as those who didn’t.

Sounds unfair, doesn’t it? The Zillow Mortgage Marketplace would seemingly eliminate such subjectivity and democratize a borrower’s chances for the best loan terms.  I won’t argue against its efficacy for the “pristine” borrower.  Pristine, however, is becoming subjective as valuations decline rapidly.  Your “numbers” might not be enough to attract the most talented mortgage consultants in the country but… your picture might help.  From the aforementioned Rice University study:

“There is an array of information that you can get out of the pictures,” Duarte said, adding that Prosper.com borrowers use photographs ranging from family portraits to snapshots of their pets.

“The pictures are revealing something about the behaviour of these people that is not taken into account in the credit score model,” Duarte said.

To make sure that the evaluators’ prejudices did not skew the results, the researchers controlled for race, age, gender, obesity, attractiveness and education, as well as financial factors like employment status, income and homeownership.

Understanding what determines trustworthiness may be relevant to the current economic crisis and be the key in restoring trust in the markets, Duarte said.

Trust.   It’s the cornerstone to a healthy banking system. If “old skool” is now vogue,  pay heed to your grandfather’s advice; wear a tie to your loan applcation.  Online, a profile picture is your tie.

If your face is trustworthy, why hide it?

Part Two:

Successful Online Mortgage Shopping- Do You "Dress For Success?"

 
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76 Comments on How Should You Dress For Your Loan Application?

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It's hard to argue with the statistics, although we may want to.  Dress for success is always good advice.

 

7:33pm • #1
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Excellent post Brian!  You are 100% correct.  I'll admit that sometimes when I am talking to someone about a loan, I'm thinking that this is definitely a decline, then the person says that their credit was just pulled and he wants to know what the number 802 means (lol).  The next thing I know is that I am practically falling out of my chair scrambling for a pen and listening to their every word.  The bottom line of your post is simply that you have to come with your "A" game every time straight across the board.  Thank you for sharing the information!

7:40pm • #2
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Brian,

This is a subject that seldom gets discussed, except for snide remarks after the fool leaves the office! Excellent advice for the consumer.

If the reader accepts this wisdom and I think they all will, after all we're talking about the other guy, they should remember they too are being judged by the same standards!  Even working from home people can hear a difference in your voice based on how you feel about yourself. I say this as I sit here dressed for the shower.

Bill

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Don't underestimate the value of a smile in making an impression. You can even "hear" a smile over the phone.

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No offense Brian and super post on appearances. But we do a slug of owner financed sales on land, waterfront property and the extra ground local banks do not want to handle around country properties. Getting to know the buyer as we tour the countrside with them, you can do a pretty good job of knowing if the third down, balance financed around their monthly budget is realistic or not and going to fly. Their dress, the car they came in with can form conclusions that are not always accurate. The interview process is done some what out in the field and after a gander at the credit check.

4:17pm • #5
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Zig, said it best when talking about a hippie in the 70s, I'll go to war for his right to free speech and look the way he does, but no, I wouldn't hire him.

4:26pm • #6
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Interesting concept and one, I'm sure, that's isn't too far off base.  Even though, I have to admit, I judge more on attitude.  And you're right.  As a small business owner, I want to make sure I'm not wasting my time with someone.  Time is money, as they say.

Your first borrower, the young man, was cavalier.  It was obvious he didn't take it too seriously.  Your second borrower, the young women, was more interested in getting the job done and doing what she needed to make sure that happened.  Some of the most "cavalier" borrowers I've had, however, were wearing a suit and tie.  Some of the hardest working had dirt under their nails because they had just come from the field - working.

Maryellen

4:32pm • #7

Brian,

Good points...... But should we STILL "judge a book by it's cover"?  Many very affluent people DO NOT dress the part!

Kathy Opatka Re/Max OCEAN CITY< MARYLAND

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4:37pm • #8
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Brian - "Don't judge the book by it's cover" at first contact is my motto and the same holds true for online contact or leads. I'll provide my potential buyers or sellers with information they ask for and follow up to build rapport. However, after numerous emails and calls if the contact is still cold and no responses I move on and put them in my "Lead file".

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Thanks for the great post. It is very thought provoking. I agree with Kathy - many affluent people for not dress the part.

5:00pm • #10
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Great post, Brian. 

Here a twist for you along this same line.   What if your Mortgage Loan officer doesn't look the part of a professional?  It happens, and often!   I won't go into details, but when you're going to a trade show and you're a vendor rep, representing your company at a booth where you're going to interface with the public, it's a good idea to dress UP not down.

I tell people who question why I where a pressed shirt, usually a tie, and frequently a suit, that I think of it this way. 

I try to dress at the level that if my best client were introducing me to his attorney and needed to say, "And this is my Realtor, Andrew Lietzow", that he would not be embarassed by my dress.  In fact, he would be proud to introduce me, because I look like an agent that is ready to do business.   Not a fop, mind you, but always dressed in attire conducive to business. 

You never regret it when you buy the best, or dress your best! 

5:03pm • #11
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Great post, Brian. 

Here a twist for you along this same line.   What if your Mortgage Loan officer doesn't look the part of a professional?  It happens, and often!   I won't go into details, but when you're going to a trade show and you're a vendor rep, representing your company at a booth where you're going to interface with the public, it's a good idea to dress UP not down.

I tell people who question why I where a pressed shirt, usually a tie, and frequently a suit, that I think of it this way. 

I try to dress at the level that if my best client were introducing me to his attorney and needed to say, "And this is my Realtor, Andrew Lietzow", that he would not be embarassed by my dress.  In fact, he would be proud to introduce me, because I look like an agent that is ready to do business.   Not a fop, mind you, but always dressed in attire conducive to business. 

You never regret it when you buy the best, or dress your best! 

5:04pm • #12
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Great post, Brian. 

Here a twist for you along this same line.   What if your Mortgage Loan officer doesn't look the part of a professional?  It happens, and often!   I won't go into details, but when you're going to a trade show and you're a vendor rep, representing your company at a booth where you're going to interface with the public, it's a good idea to dress UP not down.

I tell people who question why I where a pressed shirt, usually a tie, and frequently a suit, that I think of it this way. 

I try to dress at the level that if my best client were introducing me to his attorney and needed to say, "And this is my Realtor, Andrew Lietzow", that he would not be embarassed by my dress.  In fact, he would be proud to introduce me, because I look like an agent that is ready to do business.   Not a fop, mind you, but always dressed in attire conducive to business. 

You never regret it when you buy the best, or dress your best! 

5:04pm • #13
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It's true that you should "dress the part." Do you ever find that if you dress sloppy, you feel down? If you dress professionally you not only are perceived better, but I think you actually treat yourself better, too. I've had it happen personally. Used to always dress in jeans, now it's business clothes and I swear I'm a better business person now.

5:19pm • #14
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All true but... at the same time sometimes people can fool us.

Whatever happened to the surfer dude in flip flops? Did you continue to work with him, or did he fly off the radar?

5:19pm • #15
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It's true that you should "dress the part." Do you ever find that if you dress sloppy, you feel down? If you dress professionally you not only are perceived better, but I think you actually treat yourself better, too. I've had it happen personally. Used to always dress in jeans, now it's business clothes and I swear I'm a better business person now.

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Dress for your market.  Where a tie in Austin Texas, and we are going to put the trust level down one full notch.  No one can make a blank statement on appearances as markets vary from small towns to large towns from casual towns to sophisticated towns.  It took me about a year from moving from San Diego to understand the dress code in Austin.  Just met a loan officer last month that came in with a suit and tie......and the first thought here....is watch out there is a snake under that tie. 

What I am getting at is dress well for that market.  I am getting bad comments from my profile picture....if that gives you an idea of our market........

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Brian - well done and smart advice. It's all about attitude, isn't it?

Jeff

5:59pm • #18

Fantastic post. Dress and attitude are very important

6:06pm • #19
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Not to get arguementative with you but I don't believe in that for a minute.  How you dress or what you drive doesn't determine whether you are serious or not.  I remember as a landscape contractor I would walk into stores on purpose dirty after a days work.  Lots of furniture salesmen and car salesmen didn't give me the time of day.  But they were shocked when I bought within a half an hour and paid cash for the car, truck or furniture.  I know lots of rich looking people that don't have a pot to p#ss in.  All flash and no cash.  How you look doesn't matter.  I have sold jobs and done deals in jeans and a sweat shirt.  Though as a professional mortgage loan officer and real estate agent it is best to be dressed.  Clients dress doesn't matter to me at all.

6:17pm • #20
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Andrew, I was thinking the same.

I was also thinking of a life long client of mine who I met during my banking days. My receptionist came to get me whispering about some shady looking guy wanting to speak to me. Holes in his clothes, paperwork wadded in his pocket. But he was and remained one of my most financially stable individuals.

  • I'll admit he was an exception, perhaps... kate
6:29pm • #21
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The post is great and raises a great point that we should NOT judge by appearance.  I don't like generalizing anyone into any category based on appearance.  I'll only show a pre-approved buyer a property, so if they have gone through the pre-approval process and are qualified I could care less what they look like!

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There is a very, very wealthy man in my city...who dresses down in jeans and tshirts and drives a hideous beat up piece of junk hatch back - you would never know who he is or what he has...and he does that on purpose!  Would a rose by any other name smell as sweet?????  LOL  Good post that sheds some light on people's thought patterns, whether they be "accurate" or not.

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I think you can use this same research to determine what kind of picture you want to present online in order to attract business.  People are automatically making decisions based on your picture.  Your telephone voice and your email also provide clues about how you do business. 

 

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Brian - I have to disagree with the thoughts in this.  Although I know its done, I don't think it should be.  Of course, this comes from a guy who walked into a bank to take out a sizable loan in shorts and a tshirt with a hole in it.  I also went to a different bank that same day to deposit a check and open a bank account.  The check was worth slightly more than the loan I had just received.  When I went in, I sat down and placed the check upside down in front of me.  The banker told me all about their budget saving account and obviously figured I was opening up a $100 account.  When I flipped over the check, attitudes changed quickly and before I knew it, I was in a private room drinking a cappuccino with the bank manager.  Of course all this was in Los Angeles and I was a musician, so it all made sense to them.  I really think you can't and shouldn't weigh the clothes or style of someone as a indicator of where they are in life.  I know plenty of people that have money and good credit and would be excellent candidates for a loan, but you might think they were homeless if you bumped into them on the street.  My first client walked over to me without shoes and a shirt and asked me for a card while I was showing property in his neighborhood.  He also had a beer in his hand.  Sure, the thought crossed my mind that he couldn't possibly purchase the home, but within minutes we were talking about the purchase and a month later, he was the proud owner of a new place.  Tie or not, I'm not going to judge a person on anything but the facts and their attitude towards the purchase (are they realistic, are they going to work well with me, can I do what they need of me to reach their goals?).

6:53pm • #25
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People fool me all the time by how they are dressed.  I have learned not to judge anyone!

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Lovely post BUT I think that complete crap. Most loan officers work for commission...we don't give a rats pa-tooty what you look like or what you are wearing... That's why we don't have Underwriters Originating Loans silly! 

7:09pm • #27
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Brian - I'm with you on the subject of dressing for success. I always wear a tie and would love to wear suspenders, like yours, but not sure what I'd clip them to.  Just out of curiosity, where do you stand on sunglasses?  Ralph

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Brian, what about the folks who apply on line? 

I don't judge on dress at all.

I sold a home and they pulled up in an average car.

When we closed their walk-through was in a Jag.He was a top dog at Northwest.

Nope in the MidWest and in Ann Arbor particular, Birkenstocks have NEVER gone out.

I don't give a flip how folks look to buy a house.

7:25pm • #29
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We communicate with others in many ways, and how we dress can say a lot about our approach.

7:27pm • #30

Can't always judge a book by its cover.  I've been surprised more than once by buyers who didn't look the part.  I think that the dress for success rule applies more to the professional than to his client.  It's the attitude of the client that is important, much more so than his dress.

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I guess I'm not surprised Brian...you always pick up something interesting with a little spice.

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Brian this is a great post but I have to agree with Matt Stigliano. While the theory is true and would apply to most cases such as job interviews or service providers it shows discrimination towards clients plain and simple. The same goes for the whole profile picture thing. Take it form someone who does about 70%  of business online sometimes form other pats of the world. Some of our largest deals are done with out ever looking at a single picture of the person and trust me we treat them all the same.

The same goes for the in person situations many times I meet people that are large net worth  developers or investors that build those homes your clients are going to buy yet they dress very casual. Many times we meet by simple circumstances that make both of us dress very casual and this has no bering on the deal from both ends. 

I highly advocate dressing for success form a personal stand point. But I highly discourage reading a book by it's cover. You truly never know who that person is and what they are capable of purchasing. You can always weed them out during the conversation about the actual deal based on facts not assumptions. 

 

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Evening Brian,  Excellent post !  As an agent I can tell you similar stories based on buyers walking into the office.  Still like the old saying " Don't judge a book... ".

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Bummer for me. no matter what I do I look like an un made bead

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Wow, good to know. I thought that the only thing you guys were looking at were the figures and scores!

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Brian,

Well said.  We often confuse the timeless, wise and true value of not making deep jdgements about others on the one hand, with the practical reality that we in fact are always making some inferences - even if superficial - based on visual data...what we see..including attire and appearance.  How can we not do this?  We are not only doing this consciously, but we are also doing it unconsciously. 

The reality is that attire is one form of communication.  If makes a public statement. It is perfectly valid in a free society to ignore that, but it does not change the fact that attire comunicates.  So one obvious implication is to ask."What am I inerested in communicating?" 

Fran O'Neal

 

9:08pm • #37

Been doing loans in Southern Calif. for over 20 years.  Most folks I know have jeans that they wear out to dinner and jeans they wear to clean out the garage.  And I can tell the difference.  So if you come to see me in your clean-out-the-garage jeans that's fine, but that tells me you don't think I'm very important.  And I'm human-I'll react to that. And I don't see any reason to change.

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Hi Brian,  I agree with Tim. Dress for your market. Clients appreciate it. Although I try to not judge a book by its cover. Some very wealthy clients certainly DON'T look that way!

9:17pm • #39

When it comes to appearance I always encourage my agents to dress professionally when doing business and in our business that unfortunately is 24/7.  Put the shoe on your other foot for a moment and imagine that you are meeting for the first time your surgeon to discuss a complicated cancer procedure that you are about to undergo.  The surgeon comes into the exam room late, in flip-flops, tie-dyed t-shirt, baseball cap and has dirty fingernails, would you feel very confident?

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Attitude will get one very far in life.

9:35pm • #41

I totally agree that you presenting yourself professionally is important. Even from the stand point that you will be more confident in yourself

Aaron Poling
9:57pm • #42

I totally agree that you presenting yourself professionally is important. Even from the stand point that you will be more confident in yourself

Aaron Poling
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Statistics are interesting, but should not be relied on.

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Dress the way you wish  to be treatedyou can't lose...

10:04pm • #45
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So these days it is your dress appearance that is going to get you a loan instead of your credit scores... :)   Of course it is a great idea to Dress for Success

10:19pm • #46

I believe that dress is an important way to show respect to any client that you have.  It sets you apart as a professional and someone who is intent on taking their situation seriously.  I am not saying that we can judge others based on dress.  But, it does communicate an attitude towards the other party.

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I think it's also important to dress like yourself.  Be yourself.  How many photos do we see that are younger than an agent may actually be?  How many guys were suits ONLY on our cards and in our marketing?


As for the loans, it seems to me that credit score is the most important thing.  Some millionaires dress like teenagers.  Some teenagers are millionaires.  Don't judge a book by it's cover.

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Brian - Very interesting.  It's a fact that people can tell when we smile and talk on the phone...do you suppose people can tell when we blog in our jammies?

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Hi Brian, great post and good reminder about the importance of dressing for success. Business and the world has become so casual that it can be easy to forget that it isn't always appropriate.

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Brian - I have to tell you " The Dude" looks a little shady to me in terms of credit worthiness,LOL!  It always amazes me at how people have different approaches to solving their credit issues.  Great read and happy blogging!

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I can see some of your points, but especially here in Southern California, so many people can be informal regardless of their abilities.

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Hi Brain, This is really a good analogy and it also might reflect the " where " our culture is heading how it will be received. I couldn't help but notice the gender difference and the resultant attitude difference wherein the attire was the complement to the attitude. For those in business tha may think casual is in and dress is out, perhaps this new changing market will begin to differentiate how we may want to proceed.  

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Perception is reality.  How people perceive us makes a difference.  That is undeniable.  I have always hated the dress code, though.  I wish people would learn how to look beyond that to the person. : )

11:49pm • #54
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Why should it matter what the person is wearing just as long as they meet the loan qualifications. 

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This has turned into an interesting discussion but the Rice study suggest that appearance does matter. I dont make the rules, I just play by them. This post is more for consumers, illustrating that data from the Rice study. 

To those who have asked the question about phone or online, I suggest that the borrower link to a profile with a picture so that I can "learn" about them.  We all work harder for those with whom we connect; the "picture on a profile" can do that for a borrower quite well.

Whatever happened to the surfer dude in flip flops? Did you continue to work with him, or did he fly off the radar?

He's gone, Mary.  Both those borrowers needed work; the lady who "looked" determined received my attention and put an offer in on a house today.

Why should it matter what the person is wearing just as long as they meet the loan qualifications?

Great question, Chris and Jenita.  Neither one of them did; they were "selling me" on working with them.  I had to make a choice about where to spend my efforts; the more reliable-looking person won my attention.

 

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I think it's important to dress for success but at the same time understand that not everyone has that attitude.

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My wife is my marketing person.  After talking to her about this post, she asked me if anyone made another observation.  The first applicant was male, the second female.  My wife found it no surprise that the manner in which they received the information given by the loan officer was quite different.  She's always quoting statistics regarding the willingness of single females to ask questions, take notes, do homework and step-up to buy homes in larger numbers than single males.  The stats don't lie either ... single women are out-purchasing their male counterparts 2 & 3 to 1 these days.  It's why we host female-only lending and financial seminars.  They are eager to learn and have the chance to ask questions.  They have more specific questions, approach the process a little differently, and have differing needs. 

Maybe some of the answer and attitude lies in the sex of the applicant.  Looking back on my applications, I would say it is true in some degree.  Not across the board obviously, but in many  many cases.

As far as the dress of the applicant, it's true that appearance doesn't always equal ability.  You can be surprised.  Have to agree with the assessment that my initial reaction can definitely be strong in a positive or negative manner though.  I think it's only human nature to react.  It doesn't change how I move forward with a client, but the initial reaction still occurs.  I also agree with Andrew in his response though.  We in the industry need to take stock of our own appearances too.  I've attended closings where the professionals in the room looked worse than the clients that just came in from doing manual labor on a hot summer day.  I still think it makes a statement regarding the quality of service being rendered, knowledge, and credibility of the professional.

Great dialogue and views expressed regarding this piece.  Keep 'em coming!

Gene Mundt, Professional Mortgage Consultant                                    www.genemundt.com        Chicago Bancorp 

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Brian: Thank you. I think it's all about being a professional. Every once in a while, we meet some boy or girl genius who bucks the system. But, most of time, stereotypes ring true! Thanks again!

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Brian... a few things, the studies about dress and such is very true. I agree that a loan officer should at least be in business casual dress, because even on the phone, it's how they portray themselves... and it's a fact. With borrowers meeting me in person, I have had a range of different appearances also. As much as I am like you, that I will look at this, as Kristin Moran stated, I try not to judge people anyhow. Even if they have lower scores, not until I find out the whole scope. Shit happens and it can happen to the best of us.

Overall, I am not arguing your point, I agree with most of it and understand it... just that I won't judge, well, try not to judge without hearing the whole story. Besides, as someone mentioned, people can fool you. But I will agree, even online, your picture is a thousand words. And those without pictures???  I just wonder...  lastly, I agree about the whole Zillow thing... are they just getting average loan officers?  I think so...  in many cases.  Good post.

Jeff Belonger

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Well, Brian, I am in California like you, where the standard uniform is flip flops and shorts. Where reverse snobbery is in full force (the millionaire who drives the five dollar car and thinks its cool to look like he is poor).

Where techno geeks have their own nerdy unkept look, and there are plenty of aging west coast hippies with gobs of money in the bank, still wearing peace symbols, long hair, and tie dyed shirts.

Gotta love being in California where what you wear has absolutley nothing to do with your bank account!

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Janet:  You bring up a really good point.

Looks can be deceiving.

I think ultimately what this comes down to is respect.  If a client genuinely wants your help, then you go the extra mile for them.

 

 

11:29am • #63

I find just the opposite to be true, but maybe it's my area. I find the well-dressed, affluent people to be the penny-pinching jerks. The ones who come in straight out of working at the chicken plant or the mechanics to be my most appreciative clients. They may not have their paperwork straight, but with some coaching, they'll do anything you ask. Once you have their business, you better bet they are your client for life, and they will tell their friends. I can't say the same for the rate-shopping jerk in the suit.

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Brian,

I enjoy these thought provoking posts that generate such energy on both sides of an issue. Although I am a little surprised that many negative terms are used to describe clients (fools, jerks, etc.) That may be coming through in many interactions with them because they use some of the same adjectives to describe some agents.

Good post, Brian.

7:55pm • #65
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Brian - it is the attitude more than the dress that matter to me. Ok, they can flip flops and shorts, but hopefully clean and no strong personal aromas. I learned long ago, in San Francisco, in a different field, you don't judge people by the clothes they wear (ok, I admit, I might have a problem with the pants hanging down around the knees). A person is most comforrtable in clothes they feel comfortable in.

8:04pm • #66

Hey Wayne, that wasn't nice!  But I'm glad you said "some" agents.  While I believe that you should always "dress up", I agree that you should dress for the market.  Here in Florida at one end you are selling houses on the beach.  I would look pretty foolish in a suit and heels trying to show a beachfront property.  But here in Orlando - I see a lot of different attire, from way too casual to professional.  I would like to err on the side of looking too professional.  How my clients are dressed is not my concern as long as I don't see underwear.  All I want to see is a pre-qualification letter.  Good exchange of ideas on the posts, though.

Shakirah
8:13pm • #67
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This is a consumer article, advising borrowers to "dress for success" . 

The main point is to help consumers "get an edge" when they shop online. 

In my opinion, the most important part of this article is:

How might a borrower do this online? Borrowers would do well to understand that a loan originator is “interviewing” you as much as you are “interviewing” them.  I have been persuaded to take on difficult, time-consuming, loan transactions because I felt a sense of mutual respect from my discourse with the borrower.  Borrowers who referenced an online profile, where I could see their picture and resume, received 2-3 times the attention as those who didn’t.

 

8:42pm • #68
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I totally understand Brian. Everytime someone walks in my office wearing a tie, it makes me wonder what they're up to...

11:20pm • #70
MAR
18

Hi Brian,  your post has brought some interesting responses.  Up here in the Northeast we have been taught at an early age to dress neatly when trying to impress and also to watch manners and language.  I agree that it matters in what part of the country you do business that it makes sense to go with flow, but your mannerisms and personality say a lot as well.  As far as online applications go, or any business conducted online, I have had an immediate phone call that has given the person on the other end some idea of whom they were dealing.  I do like Jeff Belonger's response especially his statement on the credibility of the client.  He has insight and knows life can deal us some very bad circumstances, but that does'nt mean we are down for the count.  I also agree with Andrea Moore re: best dressed and penny pinching, I've dealt with many of those.  It all rests with the person behind the desk in what he might perceive as viable. 

Ann Gravel, Pat Bennett Realty, New Hampshire
4:55am • #71
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As a mortgage broker, you should judge the client by the credit score, not his beach attire. 

An example:  When looking for renters, I make sure they fill out a credit app.  One very nice, well-dressed lady drove up in her BMW.  I checked her credit and it was full of bankruptcies and no-pays.

The next potential tenant drove up in his pick up truck and had on jeans.  He had stellar credit and was a perfect tenant.

The only thing nice clothes prove is that people like to shop and are concerned about their appearance.  It does not reflect their character.

11:36am • #72

I met  a a nice but rather grubby lookin guy in a motel lobby. I was thinking he might be a candidate to buy a mobile home I had. He had an "XXXXX maintenance" logo on his shirt.

As we walked outside there was a huge new boat in the parking lot of the hotel, probably about $400,000 worth. On the side was the same "XXXXX maintenance" logo. Yes, the guy owned the company and was off on a week long fishing trip. So much for appearances.

I didn't think about it until after he left but he probably would have bought the whole mobile home park....

1:41pm • #73
MAR
19
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I never thought about dressing for a loan interview. I'll add it to the advice I give clients. I heard once that dressing nicely adds confidence too, and that can't hurt a first-time, nervous buyer.

12:49am • #74
MAR
23

Brian

Always enjoy your work. You never mince words, and you're a straight shooter.

Best Regards,

Wayne

11:46pm • #75

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