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Mortgage and Lending with Bank of England (NMLS#418481) NMLS# 1046286

Apparently from the posts that I've read today there was a  60 minutes segment aired the other day that has a lotSixty Minutes special on discount real estate companies of agents in a tizzy.  I can't really speak to the segment itself because I haven't seen it, but I can speak to the issue of discount real estate companies in general because I own one the country's oldest ones.

I started ValueList in 1995 as a St. Louis discount real estate company.  The reason that I developed my concept was because of my experience at a mid-sized mortgage company that I worked at.  Part of my job was to fix any transaction that ran into problems.  Instead of having processors and closers tied up with problem files, we bounced these deals out and they landed on my desk to figure out (1) what was wrong and (2) how do we fix it.

Now, what I'm going to say next is going to probably hurt a lot of people's feelings and for that, I'm sorry.  But, it's the truth and lays at the foot of one of the reasons that there is a discount real estate industry now. 

When I went to figure out what had gone wrong, most of the time, I could trace it back to one of the two real estate agents involved.  Somebody had spoken out of turn or made a promise that they couldn't keep or neglected a detail or worse yet, had lied to somebody.  It quickly became evident that there were far too many real estate agents who simply didn't know what they were doing or were doing it badly, sometimes even fraudulently.

Real estate baby crying and screamingWhatever the case, I would go to work on fixing the problem.  In doing this you would be amazed at how many times I would have agents, sometimes the very agents who had caused the problem, yelling and cursing at me.  I even had one agent who threatened to beat me up and felt strongly enough about it to drive down to my office.  He didn't change his mind until he saw that I was a pretty big guy.  My point here is that a lot of these agents were some what less than, shall we say, professional?

Many times it would have been easy to simply reject the loan and move on, but I couldn't do that.  Just because somebody's agent was a you know what, didn't mean that I could forget about the people who were trying to buy or sell a home.  Also, during these battles, I met some very professional, wonderful agents who are still my friends to this day. So, I would figure out what was wrong and then fix the problem and off to closing we would go.

And that is when I saw something that would change my life.   It was a transaction where the agent had been particularly nasty with me.  He was working both sides of a $650,000 transaction and had forgotten to order the occupancy inspection. The loan was approved contingent upon the property passing the inspection and the permit being issued.  My closer brought me the file and told me what was up and that the agent was on the phone screaming.  Would I talk to him?

I picked up the phone and he immediately started yelling at me, "WHY CAN'T WE JUST CLOSE?  SO AND SOBaby crying "Close MY LOAN!@#@#$@$!!! LENDER NEVER REQUIRES THIS!  SO FORTH AND SO ON!! (Most loan officers reading this are smiling because they know exactly what I'm talking about here)

In all the yelling I managed to ask the agent if he had tried talking to the inspector to see when he would be able to get into the property.  It turned out that he hadn't made that call yet (I guess that he was too busy yelling) I suggested that he make that call and then call me back.

When he called he went right into yelling again...."THE INSPECTOR IS ON VACATION AND WON'T BE BACK UNTIL NEXT WEEK!!!  YOU HAD BETTER CLOSE THIS LOAN OR YOU'LL NEVER DO ANOTHER LOAN OUT OF MY HUD 1 Settlement StatementOFFICE...yadedadeda....so forth and so on".

I called the inspector's office and talked with the secretary who scheduled the appointments for the inspector and she told me that she had talked to the agent but that he wouldn't stop yelling long enough for her to suggest that he call the inspector from another township who was covering for the guy on vacation.  I made the call and the guy went out the next day.  Property passed, faxed the permit up, got the clear to close and boom!  We closed.

Then I saw the HUD-1.  The prick made something like $44,000 dollars!

That's the day that I decided to start a discount real estate company. After having dealt with this prick and far too many agents like him, I knew that it could be done better.  After seeing what this guy made on what should have been a simple transaction, I knew that it could be done less expensively.  Sounds like a niche, doesn't it? 

My points are:

1)  Real Estate needs to clean up it's act.  There are far too many agents out there who damage the reputation of the industry as a whole.  Real estate has a bad reputation because of these agents.  Because of the public's perception of the industry, they don't see the value in what it is that you do.  I've had ValueList going on 12 years now and it's as bad now as it's ever been. 

2)  There is way too much dead weight in the business.  Most agents don't make a living wage,  not because they aren't charging enough, it's because you guys aren't doing enough transactions.  The reason that you're not doing enough transactions is because there are far too many of you.  The pie is being split too many ways.  Read my post "Ship Us All Out To Sea" to see how the glut of agents hurts the industry and the public.

3)  Traditional real estate companies do charge too much.  The rise of us discounters is proof that the public isEconomics Chart showing commission rates going down seeing this.  I went to school for economics and any economist examining this situation objectivity will tell you, short of legislation to stymie the invisible hand of the market, any time there are excess profits being had that competition will move in until there is equilibrium in the market.  

On that last note, I realize that a lot of you reading this are wondering what the hell I'm talking about "excess profits? I haven't seen any excess profits".  Well, they are there.  There is a reason why there are so many big corporations in the real estate industry.  While the individual agent isn't making a lot of money, when was the last time you saw a big real estate company fail? 

The fact of the matter is that most real estate agents won't renew their licenses when they come due.  I'm not sure of the exact percentage, but I've read that only something like 5% of agents stay in the business more than 10 years (I would love it if anybody knows that exact percentage...please comment on that)

This post is getting long.  If anybody cares, I would be happy to spout off on what I think that conventional agents can do to take advantage of the economics of where our industry is heading.  Please feel free to comment or to drop me an email.

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Bob Mitchell

ValueList Real Estate Services, Inc.   

 

Gary L. Waters Broker Associate, Bucci Realty
Bucci Realty, Inc. - Melbourne, FL
Eighteen Years Experience in Brevard County
Each of us has our own reason for the business model we pursue. The level of services provided often is dictated by the sophistication of the seller. Being able to see the big picture, without getting defensive, is the key. Your market (and competition) dictates to some degree your business model. Choose for yourself and go forward.
May 15, 2007 06:30 AM
Michael Eisenberg
eXp Realty - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham Real Estate Guy
OK I would like to hear (or see) what you think that conventional agents can do to take advantage of the economics of where our industry is heading.
May 15, 2007 06:41 AM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)

Gary:  Right on!  One of my first posts here on Activerain was "Don't Be Afraid Of Discount Real Estate Companies"  Where I went into a bit on how buyers and sellers select the agents that they work with and how most markets are still dominated by traditional real estate companies.  I do feel, as I wrote about in this post, that if the industry doesn't start switching away from the "if they fog up the mirror, they can get a real estate license" model that is currently in place, that discounters will become more and more prevalent.

 

Michael:  I've already written two posts today and as much as I love writing on here, that is my limit.  Tomorrow I will write on what traditional agents need to do to survive in a changing market.  I'll try and email you when it's up!  Cool profile by the way!

 

Bob Mitchell

ValueList 

May 15, 2007 07:25 AM
Thesa Chambers
West + Main - Bend, OR
Principal Broker - Licensed in Oregon
Ok... you had your say and I found a lot of what you had to say true to some agents I have worked with recently - they were all DISCOUNT BROKERS - when a company takes a listing and puts it on MLS provides and sign and flyers at a flat fee - then says - submit offers to seller directly - they are not representing the seller and ultimately I end up working both sides of the transaction.  I cringe every-time one of these comes up on my list of homes to show.  Was it really necessary to use the word prick?  to me it took away the integrity of your post.
May 15, 2007 06:09 PM
R. B. "Bob" Mitchell - Loan Officer Raleigh/Durham
Bank of England (NMLS#418481) - Raleigh, NC
Bob Mitchell (NMLS#1046286)

Thesa:  I debated on using the work "prick" and decided that it was the perfect adjective to describe this guy and unfortunately far too large a percentage of people who practice our "profession".  Actually, I would have used stronger language, but decided that "prick" conveyed what I was hoping to convey without being "too" offensive considering the venue.

As far as what I call the "no-service" model that you described in your comment, I'm not a big fan of those either.  To me, they are simply selling the MLS as an advertising medium.  This doesn't serve the public well because of how complected real estate transactions can be.  There is a lot more to listing a property than simply throwing it on the MLS.  That's one reason that I'm not afraid of these guys and have absolutely no problem selling around them.  That was one of the main themes of my post, "Don't Be Afraid of Discounters".  

As far as the "prickish" behavior of agents go, I don't think that they are limited to any one facet of our industry.  That's part of what I was attempting to point out.  These types of agents are common in real estate.  I think that it's because it's far too easy to get a license and if you're too ill tempered, ill mannered or irresponsible to hold down a job in any other industry, as long as you haven't been convicted of a felony (lately) you too, can got to school for three weeks, take a test and "boom" you're a "real estate professional".

Our industry and the public would be better served and the agents who would go through the hassle would make more money if we had to go through a more extensive educational requirement.  I would say at least  6 months to a year, then maybe have to practice under a supervising broker (similar to what an appraiser has to do now) and would then have to take a test similar to the series 6 and/or 7 test that stock brokers have to take.  If you think that this is overkill, remember that the person who does your nails went to school for at least 3 to 6 months!

I do apologize if use of the word "prick" offended you.

Bob Mitchell 

May 16, 2007 02:33 AM