Damon Botticelli, Realtor - Las Vegas Real Estate (Silver State Realty & Investments)

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Ken Jones, ASA, SCGREA
Kenneth J. Jones - Newark, NJ
Kenneth J. Jones

Damon Botticelli You have to understand that Realtor.com is NOT part of the National Association of REALTORS®.

Consequently, Realtor.com has no ethical standard to which they're required to be held.

End of story.

Dec 04, 2017 04:20 PM
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Fred Griffin
Fred Griffin Real Estate - Tallahassee, FL
Licensed Florida Real Estate Broker

      Misleading, just like Zillow and the others.

      My question:

           When NAR sold lifetime rights to Realtor.com many years ago, how much money were they paid?  And where did that money go?

 

Dec 04, 2017 03:41 PM
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Liz and Bill Spear
RE/MAX Elite 513.520.5305 www.LizTour.com - Mason, OH
RE/MAX Elite Warren County OH (Cincinnati/Dayton)

I think there's no real difference between what R.com, Z.com, T.com do and what I (and thousands of other agents) do with IDX, yet everyone gets in a bind over the companies that take fees for redirecting.  The information is provided.  If the consumer ACTUALLY wants the listing agent, they'll figure that out when Agent NOT THE LISTING AGENT contacts them.
And we could have the argument about whether it's really in the buyer's best interest to be going straight to the listing agent in the first place.

That's my .02 and a bit more.

Dec 04, 2017 02:52 PM
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Nina Hollander
RE/MAX Executive | Charlotte, NC - Charlotte, NC
Your Charlotte/Waxhaw/Fort Mill Area Realtor

Realtor.com is owned by Rupert Murdoch and is not related to the NAR. If you put such rules on them, you need to put them on Zillow/Trulia, Homes.com, etc. If they are not member of the NAR they can't be held to the same standards.

Dec 05, 2017 03:57 AM
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Debe Maxwell, CRS
www.AtHomesCharlotte.com | The Maxwell House Group | RE/MAX Executive | (704) 491-3310 - Charlotte, NC
Charlotte Homes for Sale - Charlotte Neighborhoods

RTZ are not bound by the CoEs and none are members of NAR so, they are not held to the same standards, unfortunately.

Dec 04, 2017 09:01 PM
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Kasey & John Boles
Jon Gosche Real Estate, LLC - BoiseMeridianRealEstate.com - Boise, ID
Boise & Meridian, ID Ada/Canyon/Gem/Boise Counties

Realtor.com is not a member of NAR, so I wouldn't think they have to be held to the code of ethics. They aren't even owned by NAR. -Kasey

Dec 04, 2017 06:02 PM
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Bob Crane
Woodland Management Service / Woodland Real Estate, Keller Williams fox cities - Stevens Point, WI
Forestland Experts! 715-204-9671

Zillow does the same thing, have had several people think that they were contacting me and instead reached an agent who was paying for leads.

For big business there are no rules or ethics.

Dec 04, 2017 03:26 PM
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Joe Pryor
The Virtual Real Estate Team - Oklahoma City, OK
REALTOR® - Oklahoma Investment Properties

No, it is not owned by NAR but it does adhere to standards set by NAR. If changes are made it has to be voted on by the NAR Board which I have been involved with voting on changes. However, it is a syndicator so it has a paid structure.

Dec 04, 2017 03:15 PM
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Wayne Martin
Wayne M Martin - Chicago, IL
Real Estate Broker

Money has a way of making rule adjustments!

Dec 04, 2017 03:11 PM
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Mike & Eve Alexander
Buyers Broker of Florida - Orlando, FL
Exclusively Representing ONLY Orlando Home Buyers

There is more dirty businees than just this.

MORE MONEY is what makes the real estate business go around and around...

Eve

Dec 04, 2017 02:54 PM
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Raymond E. Camp
Howard Hanna Real Estate Services - Ontario, NY
Licensed Real Estate Salesperson Greater Rochester

They will probably use the excuse they are not Realtors® to get around it.

Dec 04, 2017 02:50 PM
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Lyn Sims
RE/MAX Suburban - Schaumburg, IL
Schaumburg IL Area Real Estate

You need to get a detailed explanation on how IDX works. This is the way it goes. Yes it would be nice if you got the calls on your listings but think about when your listing shows elsewhere? 

You can put any listing on your website as long as you have the correct IDX explanation FYI. You can play the game also.

Dec 05, 2017 05:17 AM
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Debbie Reynolds
Platinum Properties - Clarksville, TN
Your Dedicated Clarksville TN Real Estate Agent

It isn't owned by NAR and plays by similar rules as other aggregators like Homes.com, Trulia, and Zillow.

Dec 04, 2017 07:16 PM
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Debbie Gartner
The Flooring Girl - White Plains, NY
The Flooring Girl & Blog Stylist -Dynamo Marketers

So, do you think it would be better that they encourage dual agency and for the buyer NOT to represented????????????????????????????????????

Think about what you just said.

Dec 04, 2017 06:37 PM
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Candice A. Donofrio
Next Wave RE Investments LLC Bullhead City AZ Commercial RE Broker - Fort Mohave, AZ
928-201-4BHC (4242) call/text

I think it's total BS and SSDD with these aggregators.
And the only thing we can do is continue educating the public as to what is going on.

Dec 04, 2017 04:22 PM
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Nathan Gesner
American West Realty & Management - Cody, WY
Broker / Property Manager

NAR violates their own standards on a daily basis. If you read the REALTOR Magazine facebook feed, you can find articles that steer, discriminate, etc.

Dec 05, 2017 05:19 AM
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Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty - Scottsdale, AZ
Serving Scottsdale, Phoenix and Maricopa County AZ

Ken Jones, ASA, SCGREA nailed this one!

Dec 05, 2017 03:20 AM
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Inna Ivchenko
Barcode Properties - Encino, CA
Realtor® • Green • GRI • HAFA • PSC Los Angeles CA

They all do the same thing, even your mls. Breathe. This gives a chance to a buyer agent to step in. Another question, that only those who pay $$ have a chance to get a call on those huge websites. 

Dec 04, 2017 11:35 PM
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Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

first of all they are not affiliated with NAR so no.  Secondly it's the IDX and create your own leads for ALL the listings out there.  

Dec 04, 2017 06:41 PM
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Anthony Acosta - ALLATLANTACONDOS.COM
Harry Norman, REALTORS® - Atlanta, GA
Associate Broker

Dec 04, 2017 03:45 PM
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Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding and Marketing

Dante,

I think Joe Pryor has given you the answer.  A

Dec 04, 2017 03:24 PM
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Lisa Von Domek
Lisa Von Domek & Associates LLC Team - Dallas, TX
....Experience Isn't Expensive.... It's Priceless!

Unfortunately Damon Botticelli those in charge sold off the name years ago (yes, how dumb was that?!) and we have no control over Realtor.com, just as we have no control over any of the other websites that feature our listings.

Dec 05, 2017 07:54 PM
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Kathleen Daniels
KD Realty - 408.972.1822 - San Jose, CA
San Jose Homes for Sale - Probate Broker

Corporate entities that have nothing to do with ethics or standards. They are deceptive giants profiting off our MLS.

Dec 05, 2017 08:57 AM
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Ryan Huggins - Thousand Oaks, CA
www.HugginsHomes.com - Thousand Oaks, CA
Residential Real Estate and Investment Properties

I've never been happy with these portals for that reason.  They play fast and loose with the rules and while you MAY be lucky enough to get the contact info when someone clicks that, it also goes to everyone who's paid them (and probably them first).

 

There are ways around this but they aren't effective.

Dec 05, 2017 08:44 AM
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Kevin J. May
Florida Supreme Realty - Hobe Sound, FL
Serving the Treasure & Paradise Coasts of Florida

It is instances like yours that have turned me away from NAR. Although NewsCorp is now the owner of realtor.com the practices have been long in effect to monetize every aspect. No more "contributions" from me.

Dec 05, 2017 08:27 AM
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Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

It is hard to get an organization, company or group to take responsibility when you need it...For the big items, we need one on one, face to face and the higher standards the better for all concerned. Licensing promotes this

Dec 05, 2017 07:18 AM
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Michael Setunsky
Woodbridge, VA
Your Commercial Real Estate Link to Northern VA

Damon Botticelli They don't care who gets the lead. They only care about their bottom line.

Dec 05, 2017 06:37 AM
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Olga Simoncelli
Veritas Prime, LLC dba Veritas Prime Real Estate - New Fairfield, CT
CONSULTANT, Real Estate Services & Risk Management

I think it's criminal and they are hijacking your business. However, did you read the privacy statement before you clicked "Agree" when signing up? They often spell out that information will be "shared", so don't be too shocked.

Dec 05, 2017 06:26 AM
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Michael Thacker - Re/Max Real Estate Center - Louisville
Re/Max Real Estate Center - The Thacker Group - Louisville, KY
Your best friend who just happens to be a Realtor

I believe you would have to buy a "Showcase" listing package to be the actual agent contacted. They don't give anything for free since their business model is to sell ads, and zips, not to help agents.

Dec 05, 2017 06:25 AM
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Annette Lawrence , Palm Harbor, FL 727-420-4041
ReMax Realtec Group - Palm Harbor, FL
Making FLORIDA Real Estate EZ

It is essential that ethical agents have non-ethical enterprises like The Dominion of Evil Intent and Realtor.com to  exercise such practice for them.

That way they can still sing the chorus, 'We got ethics"

Agents paying these enterprises should get special attention.

Dec 05, 2017 05:38 AM
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Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

This is the way they make their money, same for Zillow and all the others.

Dec 05, 2017 05:26 AM
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Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
REALTOR®, Broker

I wish we knew.

Dec 05, 2017 05:01 AM
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Roy Kelley
Realty Group Referrals - Gaithersburg, MD
Roy and Dolores Kelley Photographs

Thanks for sharing this information.

Dec 04, 2017 06:17 PM
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Sean Casey
Patterson-Schwartz Real Estate - Newark, DE
Greenville, Hockessin, Newark & Bear Homes

It should have been controlled by NAR and not sold in my opinion.

Dec 07, 2017 02:52 PM
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Joan Cox
Metro Brokers - House to Home, Inc. - Denver Real Estate - 720-231-6373 - Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate - Selling One Home at a Time

 Sadly, no recourse since they are not part of NAR, or REALTORS.

Dec 07, 2017 02:38 PM
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William Feela
WHISPERING PINES REALTY - North Branch, MN
Realtor, Whispering Pines Realty 651-674-5999 No.

If we want to be professional yes

Dec 05, 2017 08:17 PM
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Richard L. McKinney P.A.
Atlantic Shores Realty Expertise - Port St Lucie, FL
For Results that MOVE you on the Treasure Coast!

Damon Botticelli 

No bc the are not owned by NAR

I recommend that you focus on what you can to get the buyer to call you. You can have an enhanced profile on Realtor.com (i believe that you now have to do this through your broker) that will have your name and photo at the top AND in addition the leads go to you. I have had this ad on for at least 10 years and I get all of my leads on my listings. 

Next you can choose to advertise with them. I advertise with Realtor.com, Zillow (now include Trulia) have great success with them all. 

Dec 05, 2017 06:29 PM