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What's the *#&@%$ Problem with BPO's?

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Education & Training with HD Realty BK662006

What's the *#&@%$ Problem with BPO's?

Seriously? Sometimes I wonder if the people doing BPO's even know how to work the MLS!!! (well, a lot of them don't, but we'll talk about that in a second!)

 

Let's start by going over why the BPO is so critical in your short sale deal, and I don't care whether you represent the Buyer or the Seller, this is good info to know. The 2 agents in these deals really should work together to get these short sale deals closed because we all know it is the best option for our market, our seller, and our buyer. Actually, maybe you don't know that, so I'll cover that next week! But for now, just go with me! The BPO is this magical figure that your ENTIRE deal is based around. The loss mitigator calculates ALL of their formulas around the BPO value and will approve or deny your offer based on it. Most lenders have a set percentage of the BPO value that they are allowed to take, and anything under that will have to go to a different approval process.

For example, if the BPO comes in at $100,000 and the lender is authorized to take 85% of BPO value, then as long as your NET offer is over $85,000, you will be approved! That also means that if the person that does the BPO brings it in at $120,000, the offer would need to be at least $102,000. See the difference that the BPO makes to a deal?

Now here's the problem with the entire BPO system boiled down to a simple statement:

You want the BPO to come in LOW and the Lender wants it to come in HIGH!

Now do you see the problem? The lender hires the person that does the BPO. The person that does the BPO has a carrot dangled in front of them that if they bring it in nice and high to make the lender think they can get more money for the house than the short sale offer is for, maybe they'll get the listing when it's an REO! Back in the 90's when I was a brand new licensee and new NOTHING, my broker came to me and said "do you want to do this BPO for me? You just pull some comps, drive over and take a picture, and they'll pay you $75 and bring it in nice and high and sometimes you'll get the listing after it forecloses!" ....... Woo-Hooo! $75 bucks! I'm IN! (see the problem?)

Let's go over some of the challenges with the current BPO system:

1. BPO stands for BROKER PRICE OPINION, so maybe it should be done by a broker?!?! Or under the direct supervision of a broker, by a licensed agent, and signed off by the broker, kind of like how appraisers do it when they need a second signature. Last year I met an "agent" at one of my listings for a BPO and found out that the agent didn't even come out himself...he sent an out-of-work roofer to the property to take pictures and inspect the property! There are several problems with this: first, I'm sure the lender didn't know that it was an unlicensed person doing their work for them, second, if I hadn't met him there, he probably was using the agents MLS key (which probably violates some rule somewhere!), and third (in this particular case) the home was a nice 2-story block home in a neighborhood of small frame homes and mobile homes. Now any AGENT knows that this affects the value, but an out-of-work roofer who just comes in, takes pictures, and leaves, doesn't understand this (and since the pictures look ok, the agent doing the BPO report would bring the value in too high). Luckily, I always attend my BPO's so I can counteract things like this and I gave him a 5 minute lecture about how the value is lower because of the neighborhood and I made him drive through the neighborhood as he left to see it in all of its glory!

2. They don't pay $75 any more! They expect the agent to do all of this work, drive to the property, take all of the photos, spend hours doing the back research to come up with a valid value? Yeah, Right! To survive on $40-50 per report, you have to do a TON of them, which means you do them as quick as you can and you're not as diligent on coming up with a real value. There's a reason appraisers charge $300+ for an appraisal...they're a lot of work!

3. If it's a Fannie Mae loan, they're not supposed to use BPO's anyway! The Fannie Mae Seller Servicer Guide states that they're supposed to have an APPRAISAL done!

4. BPO Agents seem to live on another planet when it comes to values! I'm fighting with one right now that's come in at a $280,000 BPO when I've had 3 of the exact same floorplan in the same subdivision that I've had listed for over 6 months WELL below the $280 mark (last listing price was $239,900, and of course most properties are under contract less than list price!) Here's the first thought that comes to Bad Andy's mind: IF IT WAS WORTH 280, I WOULD HAVE SOLD IT FOR 280, AND IF YOU THAT AGENT THINKS IT IS WORTH 280 THEN I WILL GLADLY GIVE THEM THE LISTING...LET'S SEE HOW THEY DO WITH IT!

So Please, Please, Please, if you are doing BPO's, please, realize that you hold the entire deal in your hands. If it's been listed for a certain price for several months, it's probably NOT worth more than that!

Next week I'll tell you why short sales are better for our seller, our buyer, us, and the market as a whole!

Cherry Wings Realty
Cherry Wings Realty - Traverse City, MI
Your Traverse City Michigan Realtor

A lot of brokers will not allow agents to do these for these very reasons.  The $75 is just simply not worth the potential liability out there.  I would not be surprised if these don't come back to bite agents that are doing them just as the loan officer/realtor issues of the past 4 years have come back to bite those who were wearing both hats to make the extra buck.

Apr 14, 2009 03:17 AM
Debra Cernick
DeShazer Ryan Realty - Libby, MT

Andy- I do BPO's for our area-- I am a broker of 28 years- I have NEVER been asked to bring in a high price or ANY price.

There is simply a form that has parameters and you must use comps within those parameters. Our area is small and comps are difficult to find to fit those parameters. Probably the most difficult thing is to find SOLD comps and that is where the value shows up as a problem.   Best of luck with those you do not look at the property themselves- some folks just have no integrity.

Apr 14, 2009 03:17 AM
Julie Ferenzi
john greene Realtor - Plainfield, IL
Julie Ferenzi

I do BPO's... but I also do short sales.  I only do them in the area that I market and know well.  They really aren't worth the $45 that they are paying out these days and for that reason I avoid them unless my broker is really in a jam.

I  have never been asked to inflate or deflate the numbers, and in all honestly I wouldn't have any interest in the REO market anyway.  I believe there are those agents out there who honestly have no idea what they are going when it comes to valuating the properties and they do mess with the entire process when they don't get it right!

I think that these banks should just fork over the money for a real appraisal and get it right the first time.  I don't think they can afford to keep making the same mistakes that got us into this mess in the first place.

You bring up a lot of good points, hopefully those that need to hear the advice will listen :)

 

Apr 14, 2009 03:28 AM
Ross Westerman
Kingwood, TX

I do have just one question.  How did you even know that a BPO was ordered for your listing?

Apr 14, 2009 03:29 AM
Jen Bowman
Keller Williams on the Water - Holmes Beach, FL
Realtor - Anna Maria Island & Bradenton FL

I have done BPOs. I have based it on the neighborhood, the condition of the home, recent sales, homes in close proximity etc. I have the number right based on what I know it could sell for. I only do BPOs in my area, never more than 5 miles away. Then the company that solicits BPOs for the bank comes back and tells me what they want to hear. I then have to change the report before I can submit it and come up with comps that are further away just to appease the BPO company.  It doesn't make sense. The last one I did I wrote in my report that I stood by my original numbers and the price they were asking me to show was too high.

Apr 14, 2009 03:33 AM
Janna Scharf
Keller Williams Realty Coeur d'Alene - Coeur d'Alene, ID
Coeur d'Alene Idaho Real Estate Expert

Andy, I started doing BPOs about six months ago after moving out of state, to pickup the slack while I reestablished my business.  I have to say that I am not guilty of any of the crimes you are complaining about.  Please don't lump us all into one big ball! 

I work on line for "middleman" type companies, not directly with lenders.  I can't imagine EVER receiving a REO listing based on any of the BPOs that I do.  The criteria, and variances we are allowed, are so tight that I can't imagine ever being able to skew a price opinion high or low or in any way that isn't supported by the data.  To respond to your points:

1.  I am an associate broker and therefore don't need my broker to "sign off" on my work as I would if I were a sales associate.  It is stated VERY CLEARLY on my orders that the inspections and work are to be done ONLY by the assigned agent.  I wouldn't even THINK of doing it any other way.  Maybe the difference is personal ethics...

2.  Actually, they pay $75 to $125 depending on the property, inspection requirements and whether or not it's a rush.

4.  Actually, I do live on planet earth.  As I said above, the variances we are allowed are so tight that it forces us to use the closest comps in distance and within square footage.  My orders always say to research the MLS and public records FIRST to make sure there are acceptable comps and if not, not to do the BPO.  For example, if I slip in a perfect comp but it is outside a 5% variance in sq. ft. then my BPO will be rejected.  I can't give any value to an amenity, such as a barn and corrals, if I don't have sold comps with the same amenity.  There is NO ROOM for subjectivity!  I have never, NOT ONCE, felt like anyone was encouraging me to bring in a value high.  Or low, for that matter.

Having said all that, I do understand your frustration.  I don't doubt that you have run into problems.  Unfortunately, there are a lot of agents running around out there willing to do anything to make a buck.  And in the process, cast a disparaging light on the rest of us.  also, having read the comment above, perhaps all companies are not as ethical as the ones I'm working for. 

I subscribed to your blog, and I look forward to your short sale post next week!

 

 

Apr 14, 2009 04:00 AM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

If your broker said such a thing you to I suggest you find a new broker if you still work the one who said that.

Next I am a broker and I do BPOs, and secondly if one of my agents does a BPO I do supervise and oversee before it is submitted.

Also we know if we have a listing or not WHEN we get the order.  Our assett manager tells us it's a listing... do a BPO for price (we know there will be at least one more and sometimes an appraisal also)

Sometimes we get an order for a second BPO (we know someone else already has the listing)

Sometimes we get a short sale BPO (the owners still own the property and are usually our contact for entry- although it is from time to time a listing agent)

None the less, any BPO that comes out of my office is an accurate reflection of value based on the best comps we can find.  We also go outside of our MLS to a near by MLS if needed.

I see your point. But don't clump all agents who do BPOs together.  Oh and by the way.  If I do an interior BPO I charge $100.  I get paid $100.  I won't do one for less than $75. (and that's a drive by)

Apr 14, 2009 04:15 AM
Rob Arnold
Sand Dollar Realty Group, Inc. - Altamonte Springs, FL
Metro Orlando Full Service - Investor Friendly & F

I've done probably 100 or so BPOs in the last year or so.  In fact I have 2 sitting on my desk right now.  For the drive by BPOs, you are right - $40-50 is normal.  For interiors they pay about $75-100.  They definitely are not appraisal quality because you never go see the 6 comps that you use - all you do is pull MLS printouts. Between my assistant and I, we probably spend about 45 minutes per BPO.  I spend 5 minutes pulling comps from MLS, 5 minutes at the property taking notes and photos, and 10 minutes finalzing the values.  She spends the other 25 minutes or so inputting the data online. Quick and dirty, that's how it is done.

Regarding getting the listing from doing a BPO, I've never gotten one.  Most of the BPO companies are just BPO mills.  They don't give out listings.  They just pay you for BPO's.  So that being said, it really doesn't matter to me what the figure comes in at.  I don't shoot for high or low.  I shoot to make them accurate.  Sometimes though it is very hard to figure what accurate is because the only sales are foreclosures.

I do recommend that if anyone is doing a short sale to at least send the BPO person the comps you are using.  That might have some influence on the final number.

Apr 14, 2009 01:29 PM
Andrea "Andy" Tolbert
HD Realty - Sanford, FL
Broker, Safety Expert, Instructor

Ross:  Great Question!  If you're listing short sales, you ABSOLUTELY want to know when a BPO is done.  Drive by's you don't always know about, but if there's a shortsale offer, the lender is going to 99% of the time order an interior or an appraisal.  The way I know?  I tell the lender that I am the contact for entry.  If they call the seller, I train my seller to refer the BPO agent to me for access.

 

Everyone else that commented:  I am NOT complaining about the folks out there that are doing it the RIGHT way, I applaud the people that take pride in their work and go out of their way to do the best job that they can.  The agents that are hiring the out of work roofer to do their legwork!  Shame on them!  And their broker should be ashamed if they were aware of it too!  Most E&O insurance policies charge a higher premium if your office is doing BPO's, that should tell you something about the inherent risk in doing them, I would never trust my license and reputation on an unskilled, untrained person doing tasks outside of their skillset.

And Tammy, I left that brokerage over 10 years ago!!!

Apr 14, 2009 03:21 PM
Melissa Zavala
Broadpoint Properties - Escondido, CA
Broker, Escondido Real Estate, San Diego County

In California (as of 1/1/09) agents can be disciplined for inflating prices (good news). However, if you are sent to do a BPO in an area far from home, it may be tougher to give a professional value.

Apr 16, 2009 04:33 AM
AMBER NOBLE GARLAND - Top Real Estate Expert, Property Tax Appeal Specialist & Author
Strategic Marketing Expert & Relocation Specialist Serving New Jersey and nationwide! - Marlboro, NJ
- The Agent You Can Trust To Deliver REAL Results!

Andy, I think you are spot-on with this post! While there are many BPO agents who don't deliberately inflate market values, there are some who do.  The ones who do, are often doing it not due to naivete but for the very reason you mentioned....they hope & pray that the home doesn't get sold by the short sale listing agent so they can slide right in and jockey for the listing if it gets foreclosed on. Not very ethical or smart thing to do.

Apr 16, 2009 05:10 PM
John Conca
CENTURY 21 Select Real Estate - Placerville, CA
Century 21 Select Real Estate

WOW Andy,

You could not have said it better.  I do them, in order to survive, and yeah if you do a good job on them they take about two hours and you get $45.  So I am sure that Brokers that do several of them probably don't spend that amount of time or let an office agent do the work and the values suffer because of it.  I also wanted to share this free list of REO asset managers and there website information that I got.  I signed up with just about every one of them.  Now in less than three months I have plenty of BPO's and two REO listings, one of which is already in contract.    Good luck.

 



Company



Link

Accredited

http://www.accredhome.com/

Assetlink

http://www.assetlinklp.com/

Atlas 

http://www.atlasreo.com/index.html

Aurora

www.res.net

AVM

http://www.assetval.com/

Badisso

http://badisso.com/

Bankers Assest Management

http://www.bankersassetmanagement.com/

Bank of America

http://reointelligence.com/uploads/bank_of_america.pdf

Bayview

http://www.bayviewfinancial.com/

Brighton Real Estate

www.brightonreo.com

CalReo

www.calreo.com

(CMS) Carrington

www.carringtonms.com

Chrisley

http://www.chrisleyam.com/

Citi Financial

https://oms.citiresidentiallend.com/oms/jsp/login.jsp

Countrywide

http://my.countrywide.com/BizPartners.aspx

Electronic Mortgage Corp. (EMC)

https://www.emcmortgagecorp.com/EMCMORTGAGE/

Equity Pointe

http://www.equitypointe.com/

ETC REO

http://www.etcreo.com/

Executive

http://www.executiveam.com/general/registration.cfm?ContentItemID=Registration

Fannie Mae

https://www.efanniemae.com/is/npdcvendors/index.jsp

Fidelity (LPS)

http://www.fidelityasap.com/registration.aspx

First American

http://www.firstamreo.com/application.asp

First Preston

http://www.firstpreston.com/re_broker_registration.asp

AHMSI (First Option)

https://ahmsi3.com/servicing/home.asp

406 Partners

www.406partners.com

GMAC

REOTRANS.COM

Green River Capital

http://www.riocentral.com/prospectivebroker.aspx

Group Financial

http://www.grpcapital.com/contact/index.html

Goodman Dean

http://www.goodmandean.com/

HSBC

http://www.reotrans.com

Home Eq

http://www.homeq.com/reo/reoProperties.do

Integrated Asset Services IAS

http://www.iasreo.com/workwithus.aspx

Indymac

http://reo.indymacbank.com/reo.ext/presentation/BrokerApplication.aspx

Land America

http://www.lendersreo.com/application.aspx

Lighthouse Real Estate Solutions

https://extranet.lrescorp.com/vreg/index.cfm

Litton Loan Servicing

https://www.littonreo.com/litton/DesktopDefault.aspx

Loan Servicing Solutions (LSS)

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Keystone

https://www.keystonebest.com/agent_login/agent_login.asp

MDWEBB

http://www.mdwebbinc.com/contactUs.aspx

Nationstar Mortgage

https://www.nationstarmtg.com/Realtors/RealtorApplication_Step1.aspx

Metro Pacific REO

http://www.depotpoint.com/news/?p=126

National City

http://www.nationalcitymortgage.com/

Nations Reo

http://www.nationsreo.com/brokers.cfm

National Default NDS

http://www.defaultservicingllc.com/become_broker3.htm

New Vista

http://www.newvistareo.com/app.php

NPR Capital

http://www.nprcapital.com/

NREOB

http://www.nreob.com/Public/Registration/Broker/RegistrationAgreement.aspx

Ocwen

http://www.ocwenbusiness.com/bs_loanservicing_res_bi.cfm

Old Republic

http://www.oldrepublicdefault.com/Default.aspx

Olympus

http://www.olympusasset.com/agent/agentdata.php

Owen REO

http://owenreollc.com/index.asp

Phoenix

http://www.assetonemg.com/Website/coprofile.htm

Premiere Asset Services (PAS)

http://www.pasreo.com

PMH Financial

http://www.pmhfinancial.com/Registration.htm

PNC

http://www.realtyservices.pnc.com/

Premiere REO 

http://www.premierebpo.com/premweb/Home/ContactUs.aspx

Real Estate Disposition Corp. (REDC)

http://www.redcgroup.com/index.html

Reo Experts

http://www.reoexperts.net

REO World

http://www.reoworld.com/

REO Financial Asset Services

http://www.reofas.com/

Single Source Property Solutions 

https://www.reotrans.com/index.cfm?

SNSC

http://www.snsc.com/ReoPropertiesBroker.aspx

Sun Trust

http://suntrust.res.net/

Tactical REO

https://www.disposolutions.com/clientlogins/dst/default.aspx

US Bank

http://www.usbank.com/

USRES

http://www.usres.com/vendors/real-estate-brokers/

Wachovia

http://reo.wachovia.com/wbreosubscription.aspx

Washington Mutual

http://www.wamuproperties.com/

Wilshire

https://www.wcc.ml.com/Homes.aspx

 

 

Apr 21, 2009 11:39 AM
Anonymous
Michael Rein

It's pretty tough to evaluate the value of property is one has never been inside the property. Drive by BPO's should NOT be used to estimate value, rather, they should be used to verify that the property is in existance, an occupancy verification. It has been my experience that many (not all) agents performing BPO's are doing so as they are not selling real estate, they are often low producing agents. As such, I question their ability to accurately estimate the value of property. In the few minutes they spend at homes are they truely evaluating the the condition of the major systems, are they looking in the crawlspaces and attics, etc. First our industry allowed third party companies to get into our pockets, now we're performing valuations for minimum $$$ for purposes that I understand in many states is against licensing law. I am strongly of the opinion that what I will term "Opinions of Value"  that banks make decisions regarding the disposition of property should be performed by appraisers.  When I perform a CMA/Opinion of Value for a potential seller I will often invest a full day to determine an accurate value for a propety on custom homes, and a minimum of 2 hours to assemble a CMA on a "production quality" home. As the owner of two real estate companies I often find myself reviewing appraisals.  Time and time again I find myself stating that even an appraiser does NOT get paid enough to spend the necessary time to accurately value custom/unique properties, as such they push them out...I understand often 3-6 per day!  It's high time the banking, appraisal and real estate industries GET REAL regarding what seasoned professionals are worth! 

Apr 21, 2009 03:09 PM
#14
Anonymous
Tony Anderson

Spot on Andy!

I've done BPO's for the benefit of a few dollars and also knowledge of the process. Funny thing is that most lenders and third party companies ask for the 30-60 day sales price in the evaluation along with any costs for repairs. In addition to compensating for neighborhood condition and direction of the market.

We all know that 30-60day pricing is entirely different than the normal valuation that I see listing/expired agents price houses at. "What price will sell this house right now to get it off my books without giving it away?"   But I've noticed that many BPO's are coming in with the wrong mindset.       

I don't think agents are inflating the values. They are just completely off the mark in the valuation, period.  Maybe in hopes to get the REO listing when it doesn't sell at the value they provided. lol

I know there are precisely valued BPO's out there, but the majority (80/20) are valued incorrectly by those who have not been selling homes nor listing them, hence the abundance of time to perform BPO's.

If we can get the BPO's priced right, then lenders will let us buy/sell these properties and clear thier books, before the values drop with the wave of reo's that are coming. Everyone wins if the BPO is in the "right" place. Let's all do our part!

Apr 23, 2009 02:23 AM
#15
MAX MEDINE
RENT AND SELL REALTY - Miami, FL

I just started doing bpo to supplement my income, the going rate  in south florida  is $50  for exterior (sucks) and they want everything and I mean everything: pictures of the 6 comps, sometimes all the pictures are not available in the mls so I have to take the pictures of the comps, detailed informations such as why comp 1 is better than comp 2, better than subject etc.., adjustmensts, repairs costs etc... hoa information if onwner is deliquent etc.. you guys get the picture.

About repairs cost: very few agents can estimate repair cost, you would need  to have  sometype of background in construction, appraisal, inspection. otherwise you are not qualified.

I am sure if you were selling a home and a buyer ask you "how much do you think it would cost to repair?"

you wouldnt caught dead giving a number and your response probably be something like " an inspection company will be able to give you a very good estimate on the repair cost"  or contractor.

 My favorite bpos are the ones in a gated community, as a result  I have to  make a fake appointment for one the properties inside the community just so I can have access to the subject. SAD RIGHT?

 

On a final note , please be carefull when doing bpo, some homeonwners get very upset when they see someone is taking pictures of their homes.  specially if they just lost there job or got screwed by a mortgage broker.

 

 

Apr 27, 2009 03:28 PM