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No fee mortgages? ah cmon..what's a fee anyway???????????

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Mortgage and Lending with Apex Home Loans NMLS #369577

Ok Ok ---  we all know that it is no big deal to sell a mortgage without fees  ummmm   or points by up selling the interest rate but I think this Bank of America program I have seen all over the TV tonight should be understood. I have not seen first hand a B of A good faith estimate but I plan to. From what I am hearing, B of A, and other mortgage companies I have seen first hand, do not consider line items such as processing or underwriting or the appraisal a fee. 

Anyone can sell a loan with zero origination points and call it no fees, even though there are other charges on the Hud. I have recently been solicited by a telemarketing call offering up a 5.25% fixed mortgage with NO points. This was an actual loan officer making the telemarketing call so he peaked my interest into hearing more of his pitch. After playing dumb for a bit I asked him to provide me a good faith telling him I wanted the loan! Of course this "internet" lender would not provide a GFE until he ran my credit -  shocker........

Turns out that NO FEES actually meant NO points   or at least NO origination points. He finally did admit that there could be discount points to buy the rate down. About 3 discount points he said.

My question is - should B of A or anyone else for that matter be allowed to claim a no fee mortgage while still charing "fees", even though they claim they are traditionally part of the loan. Has anyone seen a B of A good faith they could share with the rest of us. I think it is a great marketing strategy, and being a small shop without a big overhead, I think I could offer a "true" No fee mortgage. 

Can the mortgage profession please come to a common understanding that a NO FEE mortgage means that the lender or brokers name does not appear on any line items on a Hud? Let's level this playing field for all of us...... 

Lewis Poretz

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Ethan Dozeman
Realty Executives Platinum Group - Grand Rapids, MI
Real Estate in Grand Rapids
I have not seen a good faith from the company mentioned, but it sure seems like a little bit of bait and switch for the consumer doean't it?
May 20, 2007 02:17 PM
Lewis Poretz
Apex Home Loans - Annapolis, MD
Business Development Manager
Bait and switch by a bank that swallows up other banks.... How fair is that? The little guys would get shut down or called a chop shop if they tried that.......
May 20, 2007 02:18 PM
Larry Bettag
Cherry Creek Mortgage Illinois Residential Mortgage License LMB #0005759 Cherry Creek Mortgage NMLS #: 3001 - Saint Charles, IL
Vice-President of National Production
It disgusts me to see mortgage companies screwing people
May 20, 2007 02:38 PM
Jason Price
Mortgage Financial Group, Inc (NMLS 219650) - Tavares, FL
The Mortgage Rider

Lewis,

I always tell my clients when they ask about these "No fee" loans that nobody works for free, especially the big guys.  They are making their money somewhere and are trying to hide it or are being deceptive (as you pointed out... misc fees that are not part of the origination fee).  When I show my fee upfront and disclose without any of the other "junk" fees, they know that I am not trying to hide anything.  They respect me for it and usually go with me because I am upfront with them.

I do not let these lenders and their "no fee" programs scare me...

Oh, and I had a client get a GFE from WAMU offering a "no fee" loan.  The 800's were blank but still charged title and state fee.  Also, the rate was about .5-.75% higher than my rate.  Just figured I would share that.

May 20, 2007 02:41 PM
David A. Podgursky PA
THE PODGURSKY GROUP @ Re/Max Direct - Boynton Beach, FL
THE PODGURSKY GROUP - Make the Right Move!
I'm about to release a post on another one of these....I'll link to you.
May 20, 2007 02:49 PM
Anonymous
Anonymous

I always advise my clients not to get star struck over every unbelievable sounding mortgage deals. I tell them that you will always have fees; such as state & county transfer tax, title insurance, hazard insurance, recording fees and such, these fees are just part of buying a home.

Find a company you feel comfortable with and ask for referrals from co-workers and friends. I always refer a few of my favorite loan officers. I also tell them to compare the APR. Finding a good mortgage does not have to be complicated.

May 23, 2007 01:33 PM
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