Sorry, the check from your bank is no longer good (enough).

By
Title Insurance with John Bethell Title Company, Inc.

No checksUnder a new Indiana law title companies will no longer be allowed to accept cashiers, corporate, or personal checks for their real estate closings after July 1, 2009. Mortgage lenders and many real estate buyers will need to wire transfer their funds to the title company or closing agent in most situations.

The law (House Bill 1374) requires that any party to a closing that must deposit more than $10,000 must wire transfer those funds into the closing agent's escrow account. Certified or cashier's checks or cash may accepted from any single party that needs to deposit less than $10,000. Corporate checks under $10,000 from Realtor's® trust accounts for earnest money will be acceptable in most situations.

I've been asked why such a law is necessary. One reason is that we live in a financial environment now where the previously unthinkable is happening all too often. Another reason is to ensure that funds from one closing are not used to cover checks written for another closing.

Title companies use the same bank account for many closings. If we accept a bad check--yes, lenders have gone out of business in the middle of our transactions--it may be a week or more before the bank knows and then notifies us.  The reversal of the deposit may not result in a shortage in our checking account until days or weeks later because we are constantly making deposits from other closings. When the float disappears and if we don't immediately make up the shortage, checks from completely unrelated transactions will bounce. When checks from a closing bounce, the resulting carnage is not pretty. The law helps to protect all parties to the real estate closing from the effects of this happening.

The fact that cashier's checks are no longer considered good enough has more to do with bank rules about collected funds rather than the risk that a cashier's check will be dishonored. When you deposit a check in a bank--even a cashier's check--the bank will not let you draw against that deposit until the bank considers that the check is collected funds (meaning that in the bank's opinion the likelihood of the check bouncing is remote). Wire transfers are generally considered collected immediately upon receipt. Some banks treat cashier's checks as collected funds the next day; other banks take longer. Personal and corporate checks may not be treated as collected for more than a week. If the collected funds balance in an account is not sufficient to cover all the checks presented for payment that day, the bank may withhold clearing those checks or may even bounce them. Every bank has some leeway in determining when funds can be considered collected. Characteristics of the check, the check maker and the bank that it is drawn on are part of the usual criteria.

Lenders who currently fund their loans with wire transfers should like the new law. Your competitors who insisted on providing corporate checks, drafts and forms of positive pay, held a competitive advantage over you. Their costs of funds were lower since they didn't have to actually let go of the loan proceeds until their check was presented for payment several days after the closing.

The essence of the new law is that title companies are no longer allowed to disburse closings until they are certain that the specific funds associated with that closing are collected. Everyone should feel more comfortable about that.

There are some practical and logistical implications of the new law, especially with daisy chain closings. I'll be posting about them in the coming week so check back.

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Yes, I've been a little absent lately with blog posts. Business is crazy busy and so is my non-business life. But I've restructured my time and will be posting again on a regular basis. Thanks to all my friends who've been asking where I was. Well, I'm back.

Comments (44)

Anonymous
Torm Martinson

I agree that there needs to be a better way of doing things...

This law is a start but they need to implement a stricter fee schedule for real estate transactions - the fees really are too high currently. Another thing to consider is how shockingly late a preliminary HUD-1 can arrive (especially here in our county where the seller selects the title company - though they pay for the title insurance) combining that with how long some wire transfers take...especially if coming in from outside the US. 

You would be surprised to hear that Trust Account, Business Account & other company Escrow account checks have been bouncing here in South Florida so we are suggesting wires as a preferred method.

Ultimately though, agressively pursuing fraud as opposed to just writing laws about it would be welcomed.

 

May 15, 2009 07:02 AM
#25
Richard Shuman
The Only B.S. I Have is from the University of Massachusetts - Lake Mary, FL
Real Estate Broker - Orlando Area - Love Referrals

we need to start using CASH or GOLD for transactions!!!!

Imaging the problems that would cause?

May 15, 2009 07:19 AM
Vickie Nagy
Coldwell Banker Residential Real Estate - Palm Springs, CA
Vickie Jean the Palm Springs Condo Queen

You know, I think it's easier to wire money anyway. Wires cost about the same as a cashier's check in my bank.

May 15, 2009 10:23 AM
Russell Benson
Old Republic Title - Norman, OK
We'd love to close your deal at Old Republic!

Dumbest thing I've heard in a while.  It's not broke so why break it?  Most banks do not charge for cashiers checks for their clients and wire transfers get lost or take longer than they are supposed to.  There's just as many things that could go wrong with wire transfers than CC's.

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

May 15, 2009 10:38 AM
Heather Fitzgerald
REALTY WORLD-Harbert Company, Inc. - Greenwood, IN
REALTOR Greenwood Indiana Real Estate

I am not surprised by this with some of the banks going under.  Imagine having a funding check from Indymac the day before they were not open and putting that into your account as a title company, and then watching on the news that people couldn't get access to funds.  Wired money is far more of guaranteed funds than these other means.  It is new, it will be tedious but I imagine 5 years from now, we will all look back and think, who would have wanted a check over a wire anyway.

May 15, 2009 03:03 PM
Mark MacKenzie
Phoenix, AZ

Really interesting piece of legislation here.  If it provides more security for the buyers then I am all for it.  Although admittedly, I'm not sure if this will be the case.

May 15, 2009 03:49 PM
Mike Russell
Mike Russell & Associates - Overland Park, KS
Overland Park Kansas Real Estate

I like how you restructured your time. That usually means that you are sleeping less or somebody get's less time.

May 15, 2009 03:52 PM
Chris Olsen
Olsen Ziegler Realty - Cleveland, OH
Broker Owner Cleveland Ohio Real Estate

Hi John -- This sounds like a very practical law that will help add certainty to the process, and when it comes to money, it's always a good thing.

May 15, 2009 03:59 PM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

I can see some of what the government is trying to accomplish, but I think it may cause additional problems as well as additional costs to the individual.

May 15, 2009 04:10 PM
Roland Woodworth
eXp Realty - Clarksville, TN
eXp Realty

This is very interesting.. I wonder how long it will be before this proctice spreads across the country

 

May 15, 2009 04:38 PM
Sandy Childs
Keller Williams Realty - Spartanburg, SC
Realtor - Spartanburg, SC

Hey there John: This is really going to be interesting and probably another snag to hold up closings.

May 15, 2009 06:50 PM
Margaret Woda
Long & Foster Real Estate, Inc. - Crofton, MD
Maryland Real Estate & Military Relocation

I don't think this is a bad thing at all.  In fact, anything that provides greater security to the transaction is a good thing and I wouldn't mind a bit if Maryland followed Indiana with this practice.

May 16, 2009 12:13 AM
Christianne O'Malley
Dickson Realty - Reno, NV
Exceptional Service - Delivering Results in Reno!

Wow - this is fascinating...but it makes sense. I never liked seeing clients pick up a cashier's check for $50,000 or $75,000 to begin with and then drive to the title company. They always looked like they were preparing to get mugged - which caused undue attention - exactly what they DIDN'T want!

This is probably a good thing. People will rest a lot easier, even if there is a wire transfer fee...Too bad they haven't done this in Nevada.

May 16, 2009 02:02 AM
Suzanne McLaughlin
Sabinske & Associates, Inc. (Albertville, St. Michael) - Saint Michael, MN
Sabinske & Associates, Realtor

We have run into instances where the bank would not honor a cashier's check into my broker's account for several weeks.  I checked into it because we were going to return the check to a buyer who had failed to perform.  Rather than just issue the check, we made certain that the funds were in the trust account first.  Good thing.  He would have had twice the amount he gave us in funds.  Good post!!!

May 16, 2009 02:24 AM
Greg Miller
Ruoff Home Mortgage - Sarasota, FL
Florida Home Loans - Conventional,FHA,USDA,VA

Thanks for the info John_ I once had a check bounce from a title company. Seems in the interm of it clearing they had an employee theft of blank checks.That was the story when my 50k check came back.That will make you pause!

May 16, 2009 02:54 AM
John Bethell
John Bethell Title Company, Inc. - Bloomington, IN

Hello Everyone! The response to this post is remarkable! I guess where money is concerned everyone has strong opinions. I'll try to briefly touch on some of the issues that you've all raised. 

Indiana is not breaking new ground with this law. As several of you mentioned there are similar laws-usually referred to as Good Funds laws-in quite a number of states. Although, this is the first Good Funds law that I've heard of that treats certified and cashiers checks the same as personal checks. So maybe it's a Better Funds Law. 

The law was introduced at the request of the Indiana Land Title Association. I generally support the law even though there are a few things about it given the chance that I'd change. I don't' think that this law is a ploy by banks to generate fee income. For years banks opposed any type of Good Funds laws here. So I'd like to know what changed their mind. 

I agree with Lenn Harley. The average person on the street does not like wire transfers. You can get cashiers checks at the teller window. To initiate a wire transfer, you usually need to see a special person in the bank. You can't do it over the phone. It takes a while. Most banks have early afternoon cut offs so you have to do it the morning. And if the funds in your account aren't collected, you can't wire them. 

As Grace Safrin pointed out, we're always "waiting for the wire." What I've learned is that when someone tells you that they've sent the wire, it usually means that they've asked their bookkeeper to send the wire. When that person gets around to it is anyone's guess. I anticipate a lot of "Is it there, yet?" phone calls. We only know when we receive the wire. The person that sent the wire only knows when they asked. There are a number of steps and safeguards in between that no one has any control over or information about. No one wants to be the next victim in the Nigerian businessman scam. Wires can take minutes or hours or longer to reach their destination. Yes, this is going to delay closings. 

I'm assuming that we'll have to wire seller's proceeds out to other title companies in town and out of town. Managing that process is going to be time consuming. We have to be careful. If we accidentally cut an incorrect check, we usually have a day or two to stop payment on it as a last resort. Once we send a wire, those funds are gone. We have little hope of recovering them. And since our escrow accounting system isn't interfaced with our bank's wire transfer system, we must re-key check amounts. Doing this requires an extra standard of care so we don't mistakenly wire more funds than we should. 

Over the next week or two I'll cover many of these issues in more depth with additional posts. Thanks again to everyone for your thoughtful comments.

Regards, John

May 16, 2009 03:03 AM
Anonymous
Shannon

Yes, this has been a very interesting blog.  We've done probably over 300+ closings either purchasing or selling in Baltimore, Maryland the last 4-5 years.  WE LOVE WIRES!  Even for trnxs less than $10k. 

Pretty much, when we can confirm that whatever "Send" button has been pressed, it's minutes that the money is in our account...pretty instant every time.  We've never had a hiccup as everyone always entered the information correctly to clear pretty much instantly, which I hear any mistake can cause a HUGE delay.

The only delay we ever had was when someone said they sent it, but in reality we found out they hadn't for whatever reason.  I've been told there's a 4pm cutoff for same-day delivery (assuming no mistakes), but we recently received a wire at 5:30pm to our surprise.  So who knows what the real rules are.

Our transactions are typically well over $10k.  Nothing more frustrating than waiting for your $20k pay day to sit in the bank for two days (sometimes 7) before you can access it!  We've had this problem depositing title company checks AND CC checks even in our seasoned accounts because apparently the crooks with fake checks are getting better and better.  The bank just blames it on "federal rules" and there's nothing they can do (which I KNOW is not true regarding lifting holds) but I think they do it because they can. 

I'm not a fan at all of the fees they charge ($25 for outgoing wire and $12 for an incoming wire...sheesh, getting charged to DEPOSIT instant money into my account is ridiculous IMO).  I would like to know what ACTUAL cost the bank incurs for wire transfers, but I doubt we'll ever find out as I'm sure it is considerably less than the $25/$12 fee they charge.  But my rant on bank charges is probably more appropriate for a different blog.

Here's what we did to help things along:

1.  Always had our wire routing number readily available (along with acct #, exact bank account name and address).  Some banks have a different wire routing # different from the "usual" routing number.

2.  We built a great relationship with our branch manager.  Although "they weren't supposed to", she let me leave with a bunch of blank wire transfer forms that I could complete ahead of time.  It lessened the time spent when we came in to actually get it processed.  After a dozen or so of these transactions she did them over the phone for us and mailed us our copy in the mail.  Again, I don't think she was supposed to do that, but it was the relationship that we built and no problems ever came about....until our Branch manager left and we had to go back to bringing in the form in person.

Hope this helps!  I'm enjoying getting acquainted and hope that whatever I can pass along someone will find helpful.

May 16, 2009 11:58 AM
#41
Keith & Shannon French
www.KeithandShannonFrench.com - Catonsville, MD
Baltimore's Best for Rent To Own Homes

LOL!  I'm still learing this site...that last post was from me "Baltimore Houses".  I was wondering why my profile picture didn't show up within my post...then I realized I wasn't logged in!  Hopefully I've done it right this time!

May 16, 2009 12:01 PM
Anonymous
Kierstie

in reply to Donna Harris, I am closing Thursday on a property and I am having to pay $27.00 to my bank for outgoing fees and $30.00 to the title company for the incoming fees!!  I thought 27.00 was nuts until I saw the 30.00 fee on the closing side!!  $57.00 vs $4.00 on a certified check!! and my credit score is in the high 780's - just nuts! 

Jan 19, 2010 02:22 AM
#43
Anonymous
Tom Judson

What mechanism is in place to protect the buyer who wires the entire purchase price?  What keeps a crook who works for the title company from wiring all the title companies escrow funds to an offshore account and following the money out of the country?  I know this sounds like an unbelievable scenerio but does andbody remember the name Bernie Madoff? 

Mar 15, 2010 06:33 AM
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