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Ethics and the home inspector

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Home Inspector with AllSpec Professional Property Inspections Inc

 

I've created a new group called "Ethics and the home inspector". Right now it is a friendly place to post issue about ethics in the home inspection profession. You can post about ethics of home inspectors, ethics of the home inspection as it relates to clients, ethics of home inspection organizations, or any related ethic issue within our profession. Realtors and others are more than welcome to also post about the ethics of home inspectors or relationships to inspectors.

 

 

 

 

 

AllSpec Professional Property Inspections Inc is a home inspection company doing home inspection in Miami Dade county, Broward county, and Palm Beach county. I am a certified inspector by the highest and best in the profession my grandson. See picture below. His testing is second to none and he proctors all his tests and personally checks on my CEUs. If I get lax or out of hand he will suspend my certification. It is the most prestigious and limited home inspection organization on earth. He is currently researching a certified master board certification but he thinks some guy already register it. He is in contact with a major university to start a doctoral program in home inspection.     http://www.allspec.us/

 

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Dale Baker
Baker Energy Audits and Commercial Properties Inspections - Claremont, NH
New Hampshire Relocation Real Estate Information

Howdy Mitchell

Nice blog post you have here

Jun 23, 2007 04:35 AM
Mitchell Captain
AllSpec Professional Property Inspections Inc - Fort Lauderdale, FL
Home inspections in Broward, Dade, and Palm Beach
I hope you feel better. And I think grandson is one word. 
Jul 19, 2007 10:26 AM
D B
Quakertown, PA
e-PRO, Realtor - Bucks County PA - 610-952-3578

I enjoyed reading your article on ethics.  It was very interesting.

Don Bradbury

Oct 10, 2007 02:50 AM
Robert Sole
REM Inspections LLC - Winter Springs, FL

Referring to ethics and the Home Inspector, I thought I would mention something I have started running into.  It is called "preferred Vendors".  This is a practice by some Real Estate companies that set up a marketing group that includes "only" the vendors that have paid to advertise in their program.  In the case of Home Inspectors, they are paying to market to the real estate company.  In turn the real estate company will only accept any form of marketing from their "preferred vendors".

 This means that the realtors working for that company are only going to recommend an inspector who has paid to be on their list.  The realtor has a fiduciary duty to look out for the interests of their client but they are only going to recommend an inspector that has paid to be on the list even if he is the least experienced inspector?

In addition, the Code of Ethics of the major Home Inspector Associations specifically prohibit paying to get on preferred lists.  That means that not only is the realtor recommending an inspector based on a financial arrangement, but they are recommending an inspector who has already shown that he is willing to ignore the code of ethics he agreed to work under by paying to get on the list.  

What happened to ethics here? 

Dec 05, 2007 06:55 AM
Joseph Lang
Pillar To Post Professional Home Inspection - Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Home Inspector, Southern California
Robert, it is appalling to me that this practice exists, especially in my own city.  I refuse to participate in it.  It will come back to haunt them sooner or later (hopefully sooner).  I look at it as greedy realtors who want money any way they can get it.
Dec 05, 2007 10:46 AM
Robert Sole
REM Inspections LLC - Winter Springs, FL

The important thing as far as I am concerned is that we as Home Inspectors live up to the code of ethics we agreed to follow.  It may mean that we lose a few inspections to the inspectors who have less concern for ethics, but in the long run we will come out ahead.  Home buyers will appreciate our honesty.

Robert Sole

www.REMinspections.com 

Dec 05, 2007 11:00 AM
Mitchell Captain
AllSpec Professional Property Inspections Inc - Fort Lauderdale, FL
Home inspections in Broward, Dade, and Palm Beach

Robert

The problem is a company can sign a preferred vendor agreement and the association can not do anything because it is the corporation making the agreement and not the inspector.

Dec 05, 2007 11:42 AM
Anonymous
Robert Sole

I haven't looked into that part of it, you may be right.  As for myself, I will not participate in these programs.  If I should ever be sued (legitimate or not) and it involved an inspection obtained due to one of these agreements, then an aggressive attorney (has anyone ever seen another kind?) could very easily make a case that could pierce the corporate veil and there goes the insurance and everything I own.  It is not worth it.  The only defense we have is that we are conducting our business in an honest, ethical way.  If that is lost, so are we.

 I also plan to keep an eye out for forums such as this and spread the word so that honest realtors know that they to are violating their code of ethics if they follow the program.

 Think about it.  If the inspectors refuse to go along with the program and at least some of the realtors refuse to go along with it, the program will go away. 

Maybe I'm making too much of this but to me it is unethical and apparently the associations felt that it was unethical.  I want to be able to look in the mirror every morning.

Robert Sole

www.REMinspections.com 

Dec 05, 2007 11:12 PM
#17
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

ASHI has specifically stated that these programs are a violation of its CoE. Members who participate in them will be disciplined, i.e. lose their membership.

In my opinion it should not take a statement from an association or even require debate to understand these preferred vendor programs are unethical. They are simply for the greedy, poor business people who want a short cut to a "successful" home inspection business.

Dec 05, 2007 11:28 PM
Dana Bostick
True Professionals, Inc. - North Hollywood, CA
Coldwell Banker tried to start with this a while back here in my area.  The head of the group of Inspectors I work with (as an Independent) set up a meeting with the local corporate rep for CB here and delivered a position letter from CREIA and explained the ethics problem to her.  They dropped the program.  It was only a money grab anyway.
Dec 06, 2007 12:30 AM
Anonymous
Robert Sole

I recieved a call  yesterday from another Real Estate office that is starting one of these programs.  I am going to the meeting and after I have listened to their pitch, I am going to hand them copies of the code of ethics for NACHI, ASHI, and FABI to show them that any inspector who agrees to join is not an inspector that they want to recommend.

Robert Sole   

www.REMinspections.com 

Dec 06, 2007 12:44 AM
#20
Mitchell Captain
AllSpec Professional Property Inspections Inc - Fort Lauderdale, FL
Home inspections in Broward, Dade, and Palm Beach

James

You are correct members can not participate in the program.

However;

The person that signs the agreement is not a member of ASHI they are the owner of the corporation and they sign the agreement. The inspecors are ASHI members and they just do the inspections as directed and are not and will not be disciplined by ASHI.

At one point in time ASHI was considers discipling members that do inspection for corporations the participate but decided that would not be fair. This debacle was one of the reason for my departure from ASHI. 

Dec 06, 2007 02:06 AM
MC2 Home Inspections
MC2 Home Inspections LLC - Indianapolis, IN
Indianapolis home inspection service 317-605-3432

On the subject of ethics I see that it goes both ways. Here is something that I have recently been seeing from some of my other competitors. There are inspection companies here in Indy that offer "Realtor sweepstakes" offering 500.00 a month to the winner. Some offer a bunch of other freebies like free lunches, parties etc. to local agents. I won't mention any names, but I can tell you they are out there. What is even more disturbing is how they sugar coat it and get away with it by stating that it is available to ALL real estate agents, I have sent a few emails to various home inspector organizations concerning this, and according to NACHI,  it is ok by them as long as ALL real estate agents are invited. I STRONGLY disagree. I was appalled at their response to me. How can an organization like NACHI who is supposed to be there to protect the integrity of our profession, say that this kind of activity doesn't violate any code of ethics??  I guess when they are getting 300.00 to 400.00 a year from 10,000 inspectors, they tend to look the other way on certain things uh??

Any thoughts on this?

Jan 08, 2008 06:49 AM
Carl Winters
Canyon Lake, TX

I haven't heard of this in my area and I hope I don't. I would rather the client just contact me on their own via my advertisement or referral. I have been in the business since 1994 and most of my clients are through word of mouth. My yellow page advertisement and internet is a good source.

I am anxious to hear other comments on this one.

Jan 09, 2008 11:51 AM
Anonymous
Robert Sole

Mike, the sweepstakes thing does sound somewhat shady.  The other things could not be a problem depending on exactly how they are handled.  If it is in return for having provided referrals, then it would definitely cross the line.  If it were truly open to all the Realtors, then it could just be good marketing.  I don't think there is anything wrong with for instance buying a Realtor lunch or something of that nature.  What business do you know of that does not do a little socializing to promote their business.

 My complaint was with a direct payment to the Real Estate office to be on their "preferred list".  That is creating a situation where there is at the very least a conflict of interest and is specifically prohibited by the code of ethics in almost all of the Home Inspection organizations.  The Code of Ethics at NACHI, ASHI, and FABI all specifically address this issue (I thought it was interesting that NAHI is silent on this topic).  In my opinion, that opens the Realtors and us up to liability.

I believe we as Home Inspectors have to maintain a high level of ethics or we are going to open ourselves up to lawsuits and lose all creditability.  Our job is to provide an honest service to our customers which are the home buyers and sellers that are paying us to inspect their homes.  If they have to wonder whether we are working for them or the Realtor, we have lost their trust.

Robert Sole 

www.REMinspections.com 

  

Jan 10, 2008 01:26 AM
#24
MC2 Home Inspections
MC2 Home Inspections LLC - Indianapolis, IN
Indianapolis home inspection service 317-605-3432
Amen Robert!
Jan 10, 2008 02:31 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Mike,

By offering the prizes to all agents it covers the scheme in a thin veil of legitimacy.

I recently went to ASHI LTC in Chicago. The first day of the conference was almost entirely devoted to ethics. My group took this knowledge away with us back to our Chapter here in CT. At our January meeting we put on an ethics workshop. This particular case was one of our ethical examples. Most everyone at the meeting agreed this kind of marketing program is unethical.

If NACHI has stated that this type of program is acceptable, then the membership needs to voice their opinion and change the organizations position.

CoEs are in essence for the publics benefit. They give the consumer piece of mind that the professional they have hired has some ethical standard. This of course is simply not realistic. An inspector, Realtor or an Attorney can be unethical despite a CoE for their particular profession. Ethics can not be legislated it is ultimately up to the individual to conduct themselves and their business in an ethical manner.

 

Jan 10, 2008 11:20 PM
MC2 Home Inspections
MC2 Home Inspections LLC - Indianapolis, IN
Indianapolis home inspection service 317-605-3432
I couldn't agree more James. I had sent the president of NACHI several emails concerning this, and it didn't seem to phase him or his assistant a bit. I am not a member of NACHI nor will I EVER be, especially now after the response I received from them. I agree with you that it is up to the individual to conduct themselves ethically. I just do not think that these organizations like NACHI, ASHI ETC. are doing us any kind of justice other than allowing us to say that we simply "belong" to their organization.
Jan 10, 2008 11:27 PM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Mike,

I can not speak for the other organizations, but ASHI is certainly strongly concerned with ethics. As I stated in my previous response ASHI puts on a yearly Leadership Training Conference. A large part of that conference, about one third, is devoted to ethics.

I just do not think that these organizations like NACHI, ASHI ETC. are doing us any kind of justice other than allowing us to say that we simply "belong" to their organization.

I do not quite understand your statement. "belonging" to an organization has many benefits. But I will also say if you join an organization and expect them to work for you, that is not realistic. You get out of it what you put in. As a member you need to participate in your organization.

My local chapter is excellent. We have very high member participation. We have many committees and programs for members. But none of that happens without member participation.

I think many people look at joining an organization as a way of legitimizing themselves and their businesses. Being able to display a logo or symbol as a sign of quality and competency. If that is your reason for joining, then I think you are missing the point of what a good organization is about.

Jan 11, 2008 02:08 AM
MC2 Home Inspections
MC2 Home Inspections LLC - Indianapolis, IN
Indianapolis home inspection service 317-605-3432

I completely agree with what you are saying James as far as what to expect from an organization and you get what you put into it. I guess I should have clarified that this is just strictly my opinion. I am EXTREMELY pro-active and I just have not had good luck with these organizations at all. I do not as you say expect the organization to work for ME, however I do expect the organization to work for the profession. And yes I believe they do to some extent, but staying on the blog subject of ethics, at least with my experiences anyway, they seem to be very leniant on the subject. When I go to a president with an issue of ethics that is CLEARLY out of line, I am sorry, but I do not expect an answer like "oh well". And that's fine if that's how they want to handle it, but at least lie to me and make me feel like my complaint is being looked into.

As for me, I will stick with the smaller organizations where your voice is actually heard.

Peace

Jan 11, 2008 03:38 AM