I Wonder If The Buyers Know They Are Paying For Their Representation (long)

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Real Estate Agent with Port City Realty 54149

I understand this is a very controversial issue. I have had some very interesting agency debates with other Realtors. Not because I expect to change the minds of others. It's just a very thought provoking topic to discuss. There is no one correct point of view. There are flaws in the laws, and the laws vary greatly from state to state.

I have to tell you I am in a state where the choices are Single Agency, Sub Agency, Limited Consensual Dual Agency and Transaction Broker. My company does not offer Sub Agency and my agents do not act as Sub Agents for other companies. We list properties, so we act as a Single Agent for sellers. I do not agree with our state laws concerning Limited Consensual Dual Agency, so I discourage Buyer Agency because I do not want our sellers to get into a Limited Consensual Dual Agency position. So we always represent our sellers and we work as Transaction Brokers for buyers. There are no Single Agency Buyer's Agents in our area. Anyone who signs a Buyer's Agency agreement with an agent in our area is always running the risk of finding themselves in a Limited Consensual Dual Agency position. I believe buyers need information not representation. Many disagree with that. It seems a lot like a political debate to me so only the minds of the undecided are likely to be changed on this issue.

Regardless I know that at my company we are highly trained, highly ethical, excellent Transaction Brokers. I know we do as good a better job or a better job than Buyer's Agents in our area.

An associate broker in my office showed a couple one of her listings this week. She, of course, explained that she was representing the seller, but could work with them as a transaction broker. Then she went on to explain agency in the State of Alabama. She is a very good Realtor, always very methodical and thorough. The couple told her they wanted to write an offer. She gave them our buyer's acknowledgement and buyer's disclosure to read. Alabama is a "buyer beware" state. The only required disclosure is the Federal Lead Based Paint Disclosure, so we have buyer's disclosures to explain to the buyer their responsibilities. She then wrote the offer they instructed her to write. When they told her that they were financing with a FHA loan she explained that since the property was on well water, but public water was available, it was a very good chance that a loan requirement would be that the property would have to be connected to public water.

She presented the offer to the sellers. The sellers are long time clients of this associate broker. She cut her commission drastically so that the sellers could counter at really good price and terms. She made an appointment for the buyers to come in and go over the counter. The next phone call she received was from another local Realtor. She was told that they buyers had decided that they were being pushed and they wanted representation. You may say, what's wrong with that?

First, this particular Realtor is the least pushy sales associate I have.  If her friends even know that she is a Realtor I doubt she ever reminds them.  Her buyers either come from her listings or they are repeat and referral. She gets her business because clients and customers are always impressed with how professional she is and they refer people to her. It sounds impossible but she does absolutely no prospecting.

Next, the buyers didn't get a better Realtor. The buyers are now represented by an agent that is less knowledgeable. Their buyer's agent has never even been to the property. The new offer didn't address the water issue and had some other terms that FHA usually does not allow. If this contract works out the buyer's agent will learn a lot from my agent, which is great for her, but does not help the buyer.

Last, but certainly not least, now if the buyer wants the house the buyer is going to have to pay more. This, of course, is not always the case when using a buyer's agent, but it is on this property, in this case. Not because there was an agreement that the listing agent would take less if she sold it herself. In the course of trying to make this work for her sellers my agent had cut the commission. Now my agent cannot cut the commission because we have a co-op to pay. The sellers think the buyers are foolish and they are countering higher. As is often the case what was best for the sellers, with the first offer, was also best for the buyers.

By the way, our market is not bad right now and this listing is priced properly. It will sell. The only person that stands to lose in this transaction is the buyer. I believe when the buyer thinks they need representation then they should have representation, so we would never cry "procuring cause." I understand there are situations where buyer representation actually could work to the benefit of the buyer. Unfortunately I also know, at least in my area, buyers are usually not getting anything beneficial in their representation. I am mainly venting out of frustration. This is not a situation where there is a solution. I just like to present another very real side of a controversial issue.

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Comments (5)

SarahGray Lamm
Allen Tate Realtors Chapel Hill, NC 919-819-8199 - Chapel Hill, NC
Realtor - 100K Hours of NC Real Estate Experience

Julie- in answer to your title question, yes, I believe buyers know they are "paying" for representation. I am a 30 year veteran of NC real estate and worked the greatest part of my career under "buyer beware" as you call it. I was ethical and fair and represented buyers well but my loyalty was necessarily to the seller and buyers did NOT really "get" that. I absolutely LOVE buyer agency because I can bring my extensive experience to bear for my client...even in the same office as we have "designated agency." People today have access to huge amounts of information and what they need is interpretation and yes, representation. Are there some who do not? Yes. But it should be their choice. If they KNOW they do not have the skills they can choose to pay for it via the transaction or outright. It is about their comfort level, not  necessarily the money. Buyer agency has brought much higher levels of accountability and skill to our profession. Lastly, we are still only as good as we are ethical. The buyer might well have chosen to stay with an agent in your office if the option had been there for them to be represented. It should be by no means assumed that two agents in the same office cannot choose to be ethical in their separate representations and not share info damaging to their clients.

All that said, I do see how you could be frustrated when you know the agent involved was doing all she could to be fair to all parties. I hope this helps as it is not meant to be a lecture on "our way is better". I've just been both places! Cheers!

Jun 21, 2009 10:51 AM
Julie Martin
Port City Realty - Mobile, AL
Realtor, Broker - Gulf Coast Real Estate

Sarah,

Thank you for your comments. I did not take them as a lecture on "our way is better."

If only my state had Designated Agency!" It does not. You are fortunate to practice in a state that does. If we did I'm sure my office could have provided the buyer with a agent that does not have less experience and knowledge.

Jun 21, 2009 11:14 AM
SarahGray Lamm
Allen Tate Realtors Chapel Hill, NC 919-819-8199 - Chapel Hill, NC
Realtor - 100K Hours of NC Real Estate Experience

Julie - sounds like you might have a mission for your real estate commission! Designated Agency was a second wave for us as a way to correct a problem! BEST of luck!

Jun 21, 2009 01:47 PM
Don Bush
Bush Real Estate Group - Newnan, GA

Julie, you hit the nail on the head. In fact, I'll add more controversy to this thread. The whole buyer representation, when it reared its ugly head in 1992, was a bogus concept perpetuated on buyers and agents alike. When we have a vested interest in putting a deal together it's damn near impossible to truly represent anyone without personal bias. It's all a big joke. In the end, we all represent ourselves making a sale. To do otherwise goes against our basic human makeup. In '92 when the silly agency laws were forced into the business by the various state real estate commissions a plethora of "Buyer Broker" firms spung to life. With a tiny few exceptions (if that) all were out of business within a year and, thank God, haven't returned. That's evidence of how futile the whole idea was and still is.

Don Bush

Jun 22, 2009 02:03 PM
Julie Martin
Port City Realty - Mobile, AL
Realtor, Broker - Gulf Coast Real Estate

Don,

That is so not politically correct, but I totally agree. I think I assist buyers more honestly as a transaction broker than is possible to do as a buyer's agent. When you say that the people who practice buyer agency take it as an insult, but it's not meant to be. I love to help people. I worked almost full time as a volunteer (Two different PTOs including president) for years before I got into real estate. I loved it. I got into real estate to make money. It's great that I can also help people, but like most people that go to work everyday I do it to make money. I'm very dedicated and ethical and I am a business person. I also respect my buyers' intelligence. They really do understand that I want them to buy a house from me so that I can make money. When it's one of my listings they understand that I represent the seller and it's may job to try and sell them the house. When we look at other houses they know I am working on commission. They are not stupid. They appreciate my work and do not think that they need more from me than they really do. They recommend me to their children, friends and co-workers. I understand Realtors wanting their commission protected, but that's not an issue for me. They are buyers. If they want to buy from me great! If they don't, that's their business.

Jun 22, 2009 02:38 PM

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