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What We Don't Want to Admit: Teenagers Have Sex, And FSBO's Need Realtors

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Mortgage and Lending with Platinum Home Mortgage Company NMLS #238304

Okay, I know as real estate agents the last thing you want to do is ENCOURAGE FSBO's (or encourage a fee that is less than your standard commission).

So even if there ARE ways to pay a real estate agent in a FSBO transaction, you wouldn't want to blab about it. "Hey, Mr. Seller, why don't you try to sell it yourself for a little while and call me if you get a live one?"

It might encourage MORE people to sell their own house without a Realtor.

But isn't that a little like not giving out condoms to teenagers because that would encourage them to have sex?

Maybe the world should admit teenagers have sex and there will be buyers and sellers that come together without a real estate agent.

After being the mortgage broker for 2 "for sale by owner" transactions, I have a brand new appreciation for real estate agents. I also wish there was a simple and cost effective way for FSBO's to buy the services required to complete these transactions.

I don't want to be the (poor) substitute for 2 Realtors in a FSBO transaction.  I am the mortgage broker.

It is hard enough to get the loan approved, much less handle a dual agency transaction with all the drama of low appraisals, move in issues, inspection issues, contract revisions, re-negotiations, melt downs, near divorces, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.!!!! 

Damn, you guys sure earn your money. Didn't I just read an ActiveRain blog that stated this "Finding the house is the easy part"?

Amen.

Buyer and seller may have muddled through to the point of coming together on price, but after that the train of thought goes something like this:

"Well what do we do now?"

"I dunno. We need a contract, don't ya think?"

"Nah, what do we need that for? But I do need a loan. Maybe I should find a mortgage person???"

"Hey! Those mortgage people know all about paperwork and stuff. Let's go see the mortgage person!"

And thus, the mortgage person (as the only real estate professional in the transaction) becomes Realtor By Default.

Maybe it is time to offer limited services to FSBO's with a different pricing model. Openly. Willingly. So everyone knows about it.

Instead we let them muddle through with a little help from the mortgage person, and a little help from the title company. This nearly always results in something LESS than a satisfactory transaction (not to mention depriving Realtors of much needed business).

Is it because stepping outside of the traditional pricing model is just too scary? Oh ye of little faith. People NEED Realtors. HA! Let them try to do it by themselves and you will see a whole new appreciation for Realtors.

Maybe it is time to EMBRACE the people who choose to find buyers for their real estate. Guess what? With the Internet it is only going to get easier and easier for sellers to find their own buyers. These people are going to seek out a different pricing model than "seller pays X percent" to list house.

When will we, as an industry, stop labeling people who want to sell themselves with the unflattering term "Fizz-bows"?  When will we realize they are just another potential customer who desperately needs the services of a real estate agent?

When we stop being afraid that asking buyers to pay instead of sellers just might be a good idea.

 

 

Written by Janet Guilbault, Mortgage Banker/Broker Based Out of the San Francisco Bay Area

 

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Darin Osenberg
Funky Quail Vintage - Nashville, TN

Hey Janet!  You had me laughing today, on a day my internet, phones, fax...eveerything is down!  GOD BLESS CHARTER EH??

Well, on the "fluffer nutter scale" i give you a 2.  20% fluff, 80% content and discussion material!  That is about right ! :)

Other people might consider the whole blog fluff, but you know what..sometimes that is what you need to attract attention to yourself!  I will email you my FSBO stuff!  NO problem..but cannot until internet back up..God Bless Charter..

AS SOON AS MY INTERNET IS UP...I have an interesting post on Real Estate signs coming out...took all the pics myself too!  Some of them are MLS listing only and FSBO signs too! 

As far as SHOCKING HEADLINES...my two most popular so far that I have written have been Mortgages so easy a Caveman can do them, and Screw the Mortgage Biz, Im going to Mascot School!

Good mix right??  Let me know when you get the FSBO stuff, and take some time with it...it is awesome!  It is a package of stuff you can give to your Realtors to help them, and helps YOU work as a team and TEAM UP on the FSBO!!!  Take care, Darin

Jul 09, 2009 03:59 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Thomas: You bring up a very good point. Lenders are funding all 6% of the commission NOW, anyway.

Agents could be paid a retainer fee (a small amount but enough to bond agent to buyer and pay for initial services) If a successful closing occurs, fee could be reimbursed through the standard 6% commission by the agent.

If it does not close, agent gets to keep retainer.

 

 

Jul 09, 2009 04:18 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Daniel: Please do not ask me to turn down business just because there is not real estate agent. This is not the market where I have that luxury.

Jul 09, 2009 04:20 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Consumer: It doesn't make sense. Even for those of us in the business. That is why I am suggesting we get rid of "X percent of the price of the house" pricing model.

All that does is unfairly charge those that have higher priced loans and larger mortgages.

PS I also like Lane's style but do not think homeowners are more skilled than Realtors when it comes to doing a real estate transaction.

Jul 09, 2009 04:23 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I realize Teens will have sex and FSBO's will sell homes.  Even when they appear to succeed in their endeavors I wonder if they have really made the best choice.  Did they get the most out of the situation they could have?  Will they regret the choice they made in the future?  

I don't condemn, I have made my own bad choices.  My goal is to guide, educate, and help people structure their life for success - As a Realtor and a Father. 

Jul 09, 2009 04:27 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Darin:

Well damn. I will need to go back to the drawing board and see if I can improve my fluffer nutter ranking. Only a 2 out of 10?

Can we start a new group called "Strictly for Fluff"? I think just having "sex" in the title should rank it at 5. Seriously.

Signed, PollyAnna Cotton Candy Fluff Bunny

Jul 09, 2009 04:28 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Gene: Right you are. Our role is not to condemn. Our role is to be the parent or the professional.

Jul 09, 2009 04:31 AM
Daniel J. Hunter
REALTOR® - New Port Richey, FL

Consumer & Janet

I could not disagree with you more.  There is no cookie cuttter way to market a home.  The higher priced homes require a greater expenditure of marketing dollars.  For some reason alot of people think we just throw it in MLS and it gets sold or we just unlock the door to a house.   Well that works for  few agents, but most of us are busting our asses day in & day out, performing due dilligence for our clients benefit.  And we are gambling with our money.  If the house does not sell WE DO NOT GET PAID.  that is why we earn a commission.  That is why a good Realtor is worth every penny of that 7%.  Not to mention in most cases that 7% is split between 4 people.  2 brokers and 2 agents. so I am sorry but 1.75% commission is not that big a deal to have the process handled professionally.  Some people are sophisticated in Real estate and have no need for an agent

That is not the case for the overwhelming majority of the marketplace.  they need Realtors.

not to mention I have never had a deal fall apart over commission, and I have never charged less  than 5%.

it is also a standard clause in all my Listing agreements that if I sell it myself the commission drops 1%

Jul 09, 2009 06:14 AM
Daniel J. Hunter
REALTOR® - New Port Richey, FL

oh yeah, if Discounts are the way to go, than why are they all but gone with the market correction? I would love to see a homeowner negotiate a short sale with a discount firm ROFLMAO

Jul 09, 2009 06:16 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Daniel: I also do not agree with discounts. I agree most homeowners do not understand the pricing model and wrongly believe we make far more than we actually do.

From the mortgage side of it, I am finding clients are not fighting me on fee. They are becoming aware you need a pitbull to get a mortgage approved and closed these days and they seem willing to pay.

Jul 09, 2009 06:45 AM
Monica Bourgeau
Portland, OR
Authentic Marketing for Heart-Led Agents

Interesting and though provoking - could provide an additional revenue stream while still helping people buy and sell real estate.

Jul 09, 2009 07:12 AM
MARYANN SUMARAGA
Vandyk Mortgage Company - Groveland, CA

Funny and still laughing at the end, being a LO and helping the fsbos, always end up with a realtor at the end when a buyers is found. I just love it when I can refer them to my realtor, but by then I spent a lot of time working the details and put them on my 30 day marketing plan to sell their home, and if they can't sell their property after 30 days they agree that I would refer them to a realtor... to help them sell. If they decided they still don;t want to work with a Realtor yet, then I cut them off my marketing plan program. 

I am not a Realtor with FSBOs I sure feel like one and can appreciate your hard work. But I do agree there has gotta be an easer way that will make sense to the unpresented seller that they need a Realtor.  I loved your title for the blog... LOL that was good!cc

Jul 09, 2009 07:20 AM
Lane Bailey
Century 21 Results Realty - Suwanee, GA
Realtor & Car Guy

Janet...  the average real estate agent has about 6 transactions under their belt.  Of course we all know that means that about 75% have fewer than that, and the other 25% have WAY more.  I had some folks I was talking with that had personally bought and sold 25 homes in 30 years in multiple states.  Did they need help?  A little... 

I would work a deal with them.  But... I also wouldn't cut a deal to someone that thinks they have all of the answers when I can plainly see that they don't. 

The bottom line is that a lot of agents have a problem with FSBOs.  They assume that they are not equipped to deal with the transaction... and while they might generally be right, it isn't always true.  We need to look past the FSBO label and see who we are dealing with.

Jul 09, 2009 01:51 PM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

Your title definitely caught my attention.  I can see the need for this business model.  However, consider the headache for a single agent trying to handle this, kind of like a dual agency/double ending issues but without a relationship of any sort with the parties.

Jul 09, 2009 06:37 PM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Christine: Maybe the seller should go out and buy his own services from his own agent? Could there not be sevices for the seller that do not include marketing the home?

Jul 10, 2009 01:54 AM
Janet Guilbault
Platinum Home Mortgage Company - Walnut Creek, CA
San Francisco Bay Area Direct Mortgage Lender

Lane: Agents may have a problem with FSBO's but I think the writing is on the wall.

Consumers are going to the Internet to find what they need. And you can argue all day long that buying a house is different.

And it is.

But FINDING a house is not that much different anymore than going on the Internet and looking for a airline flight. Or going on E Bay to find a 1955 postcard of Yosemite. Or finding an apricot toy poodle.

It is a natural progression of the market and everyone should admit it and come up with a pricing model that works for this.

Jul 10, 2009 02:00 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Waaaa, I don't care if the mortgage lender has to do more work with a FSBO.  Deal with it as part of the market.  Even attorney's don't want to handle the transactions because of all the drama. I don't offer you mortgage advice and how too conduct your business, why do you INSIST on offering up advice to agents?  I think you shoud stick with mortgage/lender advice.  I think you might be trying to be a 'closet' realtor.

Jul 10, 2009 02:16 AM
Daniel J. Hunter
REALTOR® - New Port Richey, FL

^^^  WOW

Jul 10, 2009 03:32 AM
MARYANN SUMARAGA
Vandyk Mortgage Company - Groveland, CA

 

I ran into this site about FSBOS quite interesting..I would like to know if you are familiar with this site that offer FSBOS as a flat fee to list their property on the MLS for a very reasonable price. I would love to hear from others on this as well...

http://www.ezmlslisting.com/index.htm

Jul 10, 2009 04:32 AM
Al Dobbs
ADD Real Estate - North Chicago, IL

     Nice opening title; caught my eye. Of course, I have a small issue with mortgage people having to do the work of a Realtor. Especially, when there are so many out of work professionals. Make a call to someone that you have a relationship with. It would seem so very easy. Pay them for the transaction. A couple of hundred bucks to do the paperwork.  This rant is only small rant.  Why? Because this market has made a lot of us handle business that may be outside the scope of the licenses we hold. Not trying to get the states to look too hard. But, there may be an issue with Realtors and short sales. I refer the ones I get out. It was too time consuming anyway. That and now banks are recruiting Realtors to do loan origination. Watch out mortgage professionals--we may be invading your turf.

     Having the buyers pay the fee would seem like a good idea. I have encountered buyers who after the down payment and other fees. Do not have any money left over. Asking them for say $4000-6000: not many agents are going to get paid. For most markets; the sellers are the only ones who have money-- thinking that is why they started the tradition of having the sellers pay.

     Realtors are still ok, at least for the time. Over 80% of people start their search for a property online. Most will contact a Realtor to ask questions and then sign up with one. We sell over 80% of all properties. The number of FSBO's (unattended clients) have actually dropped. This market is hard on everybody. This is starting to turn in to a blog post. So I better stop. We still have a purpose. For how long....?   

Jul 12, 2009 01:32 PM