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The Truth About "No Cost" Mortgage Loans

By
Mortgage and Lending with All Star Mortgage, LLC

You've probably heard the pitch - "Refinance your existing mortgage with no points and no closing costs!  It's the biggest no-brainer in the history of Earth!"  But is it really?  Why would some lenders choose to charge closing costs if there's an alternative with zero closing costs?  The answer may surprise you.

Let's take a moment to discuss what closing costs actually are, and are not.  Closing costs are those charges that are external of the loan itself, but are required in order to obtain the loan.  In most cases, the fees are third party expenses, such as the appraisal, the legal fees, government recording fees, lender fees, and credit reports.  In other words, closing costs are not just a way for lenders to stick you for more money; they are third party expenses that are paid for services necessary for your loan to be processed, and by law, must be treated as pass through expenses - whatever is listed on the HUD as being paid to a third party must reflect the actual cost of the service performed.  Now this is not to say that some lenders don't try to take advantage by packing on "junk" fees to pump up their revenue.  But that's very different than the blanket statement that closing costs are rip-off.  In reality, there is no mortgage with zero closing costs; only mortgages where your closing costs are paid on your behalf.  Why is that an important distinction? 

The reason is that the people pushing the "No Closing Costs" mortgage want you to believe that because of their volume, or bargaining power, or out of the goodness of their heart, they've eliminated all of your closing costs.  The reality is, they've just changed how you pay them.  For example, compare the interest rate on a $250,000 mortgage with zero closing costs, to one with $2500 in closing costs (which would be typical in MA).  Generally speaking, you'll see a difference of .375% on the interest rate, which equates to approximately $61 per month in payment.  So in exchange for saving $2500 in closing costs, you agree to pay $61 more per month in payments.  Is that a good deal?  Maybe, maybe not - it depends on what happens next.

Let's say that you go with the higher payment, and elect to pay closing costs through higher payments.  This will turn out to be a good decision if you decide to refinance or sell within in a few years of opening the loan.  However, if you were to keep this mortgage for say 10 years (and many people that opt for this program are placed into 30 year fixed mortgages), you will have paid out $7320 in higher payments over those 10 years to save $2500 in closing costs.  Even if you were to invest that $2500 at 8% over 10 years, that investment would only grow to approximately $5300 in 10 years.  All in all, it doesn't look like a very sound decision.

Now, I'm not going to tell you that there's no Free Lunch, because you already know that.  What I am going to suggest to you is that when evaluating whether or not a No Closing Cost loan is the correct choice for you, make sure you compare the total package to a full closing cost loan, and then measure those costs over the time you expect to keep the mortgage.  I think you'll find that it's not the slam dunk the No Closing Cost guru's would have you believe!

Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

Don.... this is an excellent post and needs to be talked about more often. I only came across your post because I did a search on this. I was going to write about the same topic. I guess I will write about this in a different manor and post it on my blog site. Good job.... we need to keep educating the general public.

                                                                                                             jeff belonger

Jun 05, 2007 03:53 PM
Kris Krajecki
Kris Krajecki - FOX VALLEY MORTGAGE - Huntley, IL - Huntley, IL
Mortgage Broker Huntley, IL
I wonder how Bank Of America is doing with that NO COST MORTGAGE?!
Jun 05, 2007 04:44 PM
Gita Bantwal
RE/MAX Centre Realtors - Warwick, PA
REALTOR,ABR,CRS,SRES,GRI - Bucks County & Philadel
Good post. I might show it to buyers looking for such loans and they can decide for them selves what kind of mortgage they want.
Jun 05, 2007 10:48 PM
Anonymous
Michael Savas

Don-

Great post.  I always get a chuckle out of those Linux financial ads on the radio as well, what's his name anyways, Craig Shibley? I am personally sick and tired of people in the industry acting like they've invented the wheel with this no closing costs program.  Lenders have been doing this for at least 20 years now.  It's like you said Don, "I think you'll find that it's not the slam dunk the No Closing Cost guru's would have you believe!"

Educating our clients into making wise financial decisions depending on their life and financial goals is what we are supposed to be doing as mortgage planners.  Not selling them on a program that may not be right for their scenario. 

Again, great post Don, couldn't have said it better myself.

Mike-

Jun 07, 2007 03:14 AM
#4
Michael Savas
GMH Mortgage and Century 21 Adams Realty - Belmont, MA

Don-

Great post.  I always get a chuckle out of those Linux financial ads on the radio as well, what's his name anyways, Craig Shibley? I am personally sick and tired of people in the industry acting like they've invented the wheel with this no closing costs program.  Lenders have been doing this for at least 20 years now.  It's like you said Don, "I think you'll find that it's not the slam dunk the No Closing Cost guru's would have you believe!"

Educating our clients into making wise financial decisions depending on their life and financial goals is what we are supposed to be doing as mortgage planners.  Not selling them on a program that may not be right for their scenario. 

Again, great post Don, couldn't have said it better myself.

Mike-
Jun 07, 2007 03:15 AM
Anonymous
Chuck

Good advice. I have railed against the radio when I hear these. This is the same guys who prefesses to have warned us that this mortgage crisis would happen. The gall. He used to hawk "interest only" loans on the radio a few years ago, I know I lestened closely, he slipped it in at the end. Not quite predatory - but slightly despicable nonetheless.

Mar 25, 2008 03:22 PM
#6
Esko Kiuru
Bethesda, MD

Don,

Anyone planning on buying a home in the future should read your post and find out whether a no-cost mortgage really works for him. Many decide to get one of them just so they don't have to save the needed money and then it might cost them plenty more over the years.

Mar 25, 2008 04:12 PM
Anonymous
Andy

Actually, what the commercial goes on to explain is that the closing costs get paid by the bank who is purchasing the debt. They pay those costs for the right to earn the interest on the loan. It's not that the closing costs magically disappear, it's simply that they are paid for by the bank who purchases the loan. Makes sense, no?

Aug 11, 2008 01:08 PM
#8
Don Carter
All Star Mortgage, LLC - Haverhill, MA

Andy, it sounds good but it's simply not true.  The bank purchasing the debt does not pay the closing costs, they're paid out of the commission the originating broker/lender receives from the bank - and that commission is tied to the interest rate of the note.  So in exchange for paying .25% to .5% more in interest on your note, your closing costs will be "paid" for you.  As the original article points out, that's hardly getting your closing costs paid for you; you're simply changing how you pay for them.

Aug 12, 2008 12:17 AM
Anonymous
Jojo

Closing costs are a scam - you may be able to explain 1/10 of the costs, aside from that, it should be criminal.

There are people who pay $2500 in closing costs, and others pay $25000...now, try and justify that.

It shouldn't matter how much the loan is for.

If all the mortgages require the same kind of 3rd party services (lender fees,  legal fees, etc) there shoudn't be that kind of drastic difference.

Jul 20, 2009 08:23 AM
#10
Tom Burris
NMLS# 335055 - Baton Rouge, LA
Texas/Louisiana Mortgage Pro - 13 YRS Experience

Jojo..... You are allowed to 'shop around'

I seriously doubt that anyone has $25K in closing costs.

Take into consideration the prepaid taxes and interest and the cash to close(not to be confused with costs) can be quite hindering.

 

Jul 20, 2009 08:39 AM
Stephen Kappre
KW Hometown - Mantua, NJ
Helping You Home

I love Jojo's comment - so when I paid $8,000 in closing costs on my OWN HOME (Most of my loans I did myself), I guess I was ripping myself off.  I'm SO STUPID!!

Jul 20, 2009 08:45 AM
Anonymous
jojo

Steve,

Don't flatter yourself. If you think other mortgage lenders don't rip people off, you're about as ignorant as my teenage son.

All I am saying is closing costs, if truly based on 3rd party fees, should all be somewhat in line with each other, regardless of mortgage amount.

So maybe you are so stupid - I don't know, but your post shows your unwillingness to answer the original question - and instead brag about how great you are. Congrats - you paid $8000. It's ashame other people who aren't in the industry can't do that same thing - you pompous ass.

Jul 20, 2009 08:53 AM
#13
Stephen Kappre
KW Hometown - Mantua, NJ
Helping You Home

I'm sorry Jojo, I didn't see any question to be answered. It sounds like you may have either been really ripped off or confused. And that is not any sort of put-down. I was VERY kind in the above comment. You have no idea what people are saying about your comment on the other side.

Regarding closing costs, sure someone could pay $25,000, if they were financing north of $1,000,000 and paying points, etc. Consider this: just title insurance could be $400 for a $50,000 mortgage, or it could be over $3,000 for a larger transaction. Likewise there is no way that home owner's insurance should be the same for a $100,000 home as it is for a $900,000 home. That just doesn't make mathmatical sense - or at least business sense.

I'm not about to call names. That's silly. I didn't have to comment here but I figured I'd try and answer the question I can't find that I assume was hidden in your comment.

Jul 20, 2009 09:48 AM
Anonymous
Jason Sardi

Jojo - Your teenage son is ignorant?  Wonder where he gets that from...

Some Mortgage Lenders do rip people off.  So do some Car Salesman, Plumbers, Mechanics, Painters, Artists, Educational Institutions, etc... etc. 

"All I am saying is closing costs, if truly based on 3rd party fees, should all be somewhat in line with each other, regardless of mortgage amount."  Maybe they should be, but they aren't.  In the state of Pennsylvania, Title Insurance on a transaction is based on the loan amount.  That's regulated... by the state.  It has nothing to do with us.

If you want to compare real costs (in regards to lenders), look at and add up lines 801 thru 825 on any standard Good Faith Estimate.  Those are primarily lender's costs. 

When I bought my house, I didn't pay jack in regards to lending fees.  Call it a "sorry about all the silver hairs, discount".  But I paid everything else.  There were Title Fees, Pre-paid interest, taxes, insurance, transfer tax, and about $500.00 to keep his Mafioso buddies quiet.  Okay, I'm kidding on the last one.

What was the original question, Jojo?  Unless I'm stupid, I thought it was about the "No Closing Cost" Option.  It's an option, but you are paying somewhere. 

This is a unique industry for me because it seems every once in a blue moon that I have to explain how and why I get paid.  As if working for a living is a some sort of rationalization.  Excuse me if I get defensive, you don't even know. What do you do for a living, Jojo? I don't mind the transparency or letting folks know how we get paid.  What I do mind are folks who automatically think we are getting rich off costs we have no control over.  And I don't like hidden fees or fine print. 

If you want a higher interest rate, the "No Closing Cost" option is right for you.

Next time, though, give your teenage son a bit more credit.

Jul 20, 2009 09:50 AM
#15
Anonymous
Jason Sardi

"I'm not about to call names. That's silly."

Steve, you're a prick.  And I don't even know you.....Bastard.

Jul 20, 2009 09:52 AM
#16
Jeff Belonger
Social Media - Infinity Home Mortgage Company, Inc - Cherry Hill, NJ
The FHA Expert - FHA Loans - FHA mortgages - USDA loans - VA Loans

 

 

WOW…that is all I can say…. WOW.

 

 

Okay, wait... I need to give my expert opinion of 16, almost 17 years, in the mortgage business. Jo jo...  don't take this the wrong way. This is not to say that you aren't an educated person... but that you just aren't educated in mortgages. And it's very obvious by your answers and the name calling. Gee, for all we know, you could be a loan officer with nothing better to do, just stirring up the pot...

No, closing costs aren't the same.  But before I get there, every lender and every loan officer has a profit margin, that they need to make.  Let's just say for arguments sake, our total profit margin is $3,000 per loan, no matter what.  If I am doing a $300,000 loan, all I need to do is charge 1 pt or up to $3,000 in fees. If I was doing a $100,000 loan, now I need to charge 3 pts or anything related in fees to make $3,000.

Here is where you are 110% wrong... not one person can and will not get the same deal. Each and every person is different, period.  Each loan is different....  Also, title insurance?  The higher the loan amount, the higher the title fees. Yes, if I am insuring a higher amount, it will cost more. So your answers about closing costs that should be the same,???  depending on how you define closing costs, you are wrong.  Yes, 1 lender, if they are charging 1 person a $500 commitment fee on a $300,000 mortgage, they should be charging that same commitment fee of $500 on a $100,000 mortgage.  But back to profit margins... I still need to make up the difference on the lower loan amount.  This is not like buying a car or buying food.  JO JO... think of this...  if you sell a house and every realtors commissions is 3%,... on a larger sales price, it will cost the seller more money.  Sure, some realtors might reduce the commission, because they are getting a flat percentage. But it doesn't work that way with mortgages.

Tom Burris makes a great point.. and illustrates the difference if you were doing a $1,000,000 mortgage, that you might have $25,000 in closing costs.

 

Overall, Jo Jo... you sound angry.  Not sure if you think you were ripped off by another loan officer and or lender before...  but you are 110% wrong on anything that you argued about. Maybe you assumed all of this.. maybe you heard it from a friend or a neighbor... maybe you heard it from a realtor or a loan officer... which they need to be fired or hidden in a basement, because they have no clue and these are the same ones that ruin it for the good ones.

 

Anyhoo... time to go eat now, because I have used up a lot of energy on this one and I used up a lot of calories from thinking and typing... and I need to replace this so I can use it on a client that will appreciate it. I love to educate others Jo Jo... but I have to assume that you just like to argue, especially when it comes to something that you have no clue about or have learned from the wrong people or person.

jeff belonger

Jul 20, 2009 10:13 AM
Darin Osenberg
Funky Quail Vintage - Nashville, TN

Jo Jo-  I think you need education my friend, that...and a high dose of something for your deep seeded depression!

Seriously, you are wrong.  However, I would love an opportunity to show you why and how, rather than argue with you! -  If all you want to do is call me names, then no thanks!  I get enough of that from that Rat bastard Jason Sardi!

No more tricks Jo Jo.!    Buckster

Jul 20, 2009 10:20 AM
Anonymous
jojo

I stand corrected. Please consider me schooled. After all the thoughtful, constructive and educational  posts, I now think I'm beginning to understand.

I'm glad to see such passion in the mortgage industry!

Please, let's pick on someone else now, I feel like I've been jumped by the bloods.

My first post still holds true in my view that I think closing costs are a ripoff. Nobody, certainly not mortgage lenders or brokers will ever talk me out of that one. But my detected sensitivity to the issue was due to Steve's sarcasm in his reply.

In any case, thanks for the education.

Jul 20, 2009 12:42 PM
#19
Darin Osenberg
Funky Quail Vintage - Nashville, TN

We have turned you from Darkside my friend! 

Remember, Jo Jo...I am your fffaaaaathhhhherrrrr!  

 

Jul 20, 2009 02:39 PM