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Got Mold? Got Myth? HOT DAMP! have I got some great news for you!!!

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Home Inspector with Charles Buell Inspections Inc.

    Finally, some serious relief from the glut of disinformation, wrong information, and just plain hype about mold----however well intentioned it might have been. 

fungus among us     In 2004 the Institute of Medicine's mold study group concluded that there was "insufficient" evidence to find a causal association between the presence of mold and ANY of the claimed adverse health effects.  Now---hot off the presses----comes the July 2009 position paper of the World Heath Organization on indoor molds and indoor air quality.  What comes out of this position paper is that the association between "damp" living spaces and "some" slight increase in adverse health effects, has less to do with mold and more to do with a wide variety of factors associated with "damp places."  The entire backdrop of the damp environment has to take into account a host of other factors that are just as likely to be a part of any damp environment.  Here is a partial list of co-conspirators of, "THE DAMP"----dust mites, bacteria, termites, protozoans, endotoxins, volatile organic compounds, formaldehyde, pesticides, viral survival, and poor ventilation.
     With this latest information it becomes not an issue of "mold remediation" but instead an issue of "correcting the damp."
    
Don't you just hate it when things just turn out to be logical and common sense after all?


As agents, Mold on a wall

 

As brokers,

 

As inspectors,

 

As mortgage brokers,

 

As appraisers,

 

As stagers

 

As real estate attorneys----

----we all have to, almost daily, deal with the hysteria that has “grown” around mold.  (In fact it is a kind of fungus all its own.)  This information should counter some of the hype, and I suspect the only ones that will be disappointed are those geared up to make money off of the hysteria.
     Please don't take my word for it though. 

     You can read the well documented story here at:

Health Effects of Moulds (Molds): State of Knowledge  

The moldy spider sat down beside her

Charles Buell

Seattle Home Inspectors, ASHI Home Inspector, Structural Pest Inspector, Charles Buell Inspections Inc, Seattle, WA

 

 

 

 

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Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

I always thought they were making a mountain out of a mold hill! 

Jul 30, 2009 01:40 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Suesan---interesting idea.

Kate----sounds good:)

Barbara, we have been climbing up that mold hill long enough:)

Jul 30, 2009 01:53 PM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Mr Charles,

Frankly all that article is way over my head.

Nutsy

Jul 30, 2009 03:38 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Raven DeCroe

Jul 30, 2009 03:49 PM
Liz Moras Migic
Chilliwack, BC
Chilliwack, British Columbia - Realtor

I"m going to email this to myself so I can save it as a reference tool - great info Charlie!

Jul 30, 2009 04:15 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Hi Liz, great to see your smiling face over here:)  I am hoping a lot of people will get to see this info.

Jul 30, 2009 04:26 PM
Heather Chavez
Second Self Virtual Assistance - Caldwell, ID
Real Estate Virtual, Assistant (928) 692-3235

I know that there has been a hysteria over mold, especially here in Southern California, Charles.  But, it's kinda like the studies that say sugar doesn't actually make kids hyper.  If you have a child that goes ape-shnockey on you after inhaling pixie dust, you'll completely disagree with that study.  And, I did live in a condo that was rife with mold in the walls.  It was so bad that, when my father came to help fix a leak we had in the walls, I had to take my mother out of the place and go somewhere else because she was having such an adverse response to the mold.  We don't live there anymore.  This, however, was an extreme case.  You can find mold in many, many homes that won't harm you.  You just need to use a little elbow grease and you'll be fine.

Jul 30, 2009 04:26 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Heather, what the WHO report is trying to get across is that in any damp enviorment there are going to be 21 other components of that background that willd cause a adverse effects on a small percentage of the population, and to focus only on mold is misleading and has no "scientific" basis.  Your "elbow grease" reference is certainly what you do once you have "fixed the damp."

Jul 30, 2009 04:39 PM
Paul S. Henderson, REALTOR®, CRS
Fathom Realty Washington LLC - Tacoma, WA
South Puget Sound Washington Agent/Broker!

I hope you change your filters on your mask often Charles!

Jul 30, 2009 05:38 PM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Paul, yup----no shortage of opportunities as an inspector to breath all kinds of stuff

Jul 31, 2009 01:29 AM
James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

My emphasis has always been to anyone inquiring about mold is it's the dampness not the mold that's the problem.

The "problem" with mold is an opportunity was seen to make money and so what you get are myths and half truths.

Jul 31, 2009 03:25 AM
Kate Kate
San Diego, CA

Hot Damp! The mother ship has landed. Finally we are gonna get some questions answered. (Hint: Mother Stumbles Upon Son - Another ActiveRain Miracle)

Jul 31, 2009 03:29 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

James mine as well----but I still have buyers that think the problem is the mold not the damp:)

Kate---remember---NO pictures of the father!

Jul 31, 2009 04:20 AM
Kate Kate
San Diego, CA

Not today at least.

Jul 31, 2009 04:28 AM
Vince Santos
StepByStep Home Services LC - Canton, MI
Southeast Michigan Home Inspector

Mention mold and people run for the hills. It's gotten so much negative attention that people automatically assume if there is mold there is danger.

"Mold is Gold" is a common term. It's an avenue for opportunists, who ride on the coat tails of fear, to make a lot of money.  I don't perform testing but around here it typically costs between $150.00 and $300.00 depending on test type.

Dangerous or not I always mention it in my report when found on an inspection. Trying to convince a client of the mold hype is difficult at best.

Jul 31, 2009 05:31 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Kate, thanks---we all thank you:)

Vince, the link to the the WHO postion paper should help counter the tide.

Jul 31, 2009 06:25 AM
Carol Culkin
Diamond Partners Inc - Overland Park, KS
Overland Park Residential Real Estate

Hi Charlie - the fact that people are living well beyond 100 is all the evidence I need to toss some of the new environs aside. I mean, if you just look at the aging process (I've been spending a lot of time lately with my aging parents and it's not pretty) ...do I really want to find new ways of growing any older. Mold has been alive for centuries and people are still growing older and older.  

Aug 04, 2009 05:23 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Carol, it poses some interesting questions doens't it?

Aug 04, 2009 10:48 AM
Lesley Burton-Dallas
Turtle Clan Global - Stratford, CT
Environmental Consultant

I absolutely love this discussion!

Hopefully , as a 'dreaded mold tester', I'll be welcomed in to give my 2 cents!

First of all, I bring with me over 100 years intellectual capital to this conversation between all the doctors, scientists, CIH, microbiologists etc on my team. So I will let you know what they tell me.

Charles is correct. All houses have mold...it's like having air. It also contains everything else Charles stated...it's a stew of sorts, and a test is only a snapshot in time of what the actual condition is.

What happens is when a dwelling becomes wet/damp/humid...it's like the garden got watered and will begin to colonize in 24-48 hours if not dried properly and sufficiently.

We may perform several samples , not just microbial screens, to determine what the ambient conditions are and test quantitatively as well as qualitatively to show how much of what is found and how it compares to the outside numbers.

 Following a test is the only way a remediation company will know specifially where to clean once the source is identified and repaired. Just because a dwelling and walls 'look clean' doesn't mean it is. How is the homeowner supposed to know that the remediation was sucessful with out testing it afterwards? Can anyone SEE air???

What Elizabeth said is also true. Mold has been around since the big bang!

King Tut's tomb was infested with Aspergillius Penicillium and there is alot of information pointing to this as the 'Curse'.

The Irish potato famine, caused by mold

The Salem witch hunts...the girls are now thought to be exposed to mold that caused their ' witchy' neurological problems... there are hundreds more stories like this.

Where I disagree is  when I hear that it's just a bunch of people trying to get rich off of hysteria.

 While I can say that this industry is not standardized, you do get alot of unscrupulous contractors running around licking their chops over mold, there are some environmental firms that are actually trying to help people and save their health due to a sick environment.

It's just like any other profession, Realtors, Home Inspectors, Pest Control...I can think of a few horrible examples in these fields as well including a temite inspector that brought his own termite 'droppings' to each of his bids as well as home inspectors that also own roofing companies. But to discount the value of the entire industry due to a few bad eggs would be short sited at best.

 I have seen first hand literally hundreds of my clients tell me we saved their lives. Teachers, students, children, cancer patients, 911 first responders...the list is endless. I feel honored and privileged to have been able to have a role in helping these people.

Heather, I'm originally from Southern California, in fact, born and raised there! I know what you are speaking about when you say hysteria! I was a doubting thomas as well, but once you or a loved one goes through it, don't you feel differently?

Fungus is amung us!

Nov 13, 2009 01:26 AM
Charles Buell
Charles Buell Inspections Inc. - Seattle, WA
Seattle Home Inspector

Lesley, very well put and thanks for adding your thoughts to the discussion.

Nov 13, 2009 01:36 AM