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Straight from my email Inbox

Q. “Mike, if I am in business (let’s just say I’m a real estate agent) do I set up a Facebook profile for my business or do I setup a Business Page?

A. Looking just at the Facebook Terms of Service (TOS) Section 3, Point 1:

3.  We do our best to keep Facebook safe, but we cannot guarantee it. We need your help in order to do that, which includes the following commitments:

  1. You will not send or otherwise post unauthorized commercial communications to users (such as spam).

Mike, that’s easy!  I NEVER send out Spam!  NEVER!”

Hold on there Buttercup…   Do you ever

  • Update your FB status or post listings on your Wall?
  • Have your Twitter Stream show up on your Wall.  Do you tweet links to listings?
  • FriendFeed blog posts to your Wall or Notes?

My guess is you answered Yes to at least one of them (I even did).  Is your stream as clean of Commercial Communications as the pure driven snow?  (not sure what driven snow has to do with it).  Yeah, mine isn’t either.  In fact this very blog post which is commercial in nature will soon be tweeted, which will be FriendFeeded to my very own Facebook Wall.  Some grumpy old guy in across the country who haphazardly added me as a “friend” might just very well interpret that as spam.  I’m Guilty as Charged!

Technically speaking that’s a violation to Facebook TOS and your profile could be wiped away in a heart beat with no prior notice.  All your “Friends” gone!  Could it happen? Would it happen?  Maybe, maybe not – but then again, why risk it?

Breaking News:

Facebook Site Governance: Statement of Rights and Responsibilities (updated 8/11/09)

Section 4, Point 2 states “You will not use your personal profile for your own commercial gain.

“But Mike, I see everyone else is doing it.  Facebook wouldn’t start deleteing profiles”.

While Facebook isn’t Flickr and isn’t Vimeo  (both are actively deleting accounts that have commercial content)

Ask Matt Stigliano about his Flickr Account.
See: http://www.rerockstar.com/2009/technology/an-answer-to-where-did-the-photos-and-slideshows-go/

and http://www.socialphototalk.com/flickr-permanently-deletes-yet-another-user-without-warning/

Ask Tim Ayers about his Vimeo Account.
See: http://642blog.ca/2008/07/08/vimeo-online-video-sharing-sucks-video/

There’s nothing stopping Facebook from doing the same thing in the future.

As a matter of fact - Meet Jim Calabrese who left this comment on my blog

Jim Calabrese Comment


 

Consider the alternative.  The Facebook Business Page.  It’s easy to start, free to setup.  And on Facebook’s site (http://www.facebook.com/advertising/?pages) they even encourage page owners to

STEP 4: MAKE IT RICH AND ENGAGING

The more rich content you add, the more ways users can interact with it and spread that connection to their friends. Post photos of products, employees, and customers. Add video clips of your bar or restaurant in action. ‘Behind the scenes’ content often works well. List an event for your grand opening or in-store sale. Write a note about upcoming promotions. The choices are yours and all these features are free and unlimited.

and

STEP 6: UPDATE REGULARLY

Updating your Page regularly with fresh photos, upcoming events, and thelatest promotions means your Page won’t just look like a profile, it will feel like one, and that will keep users coming back. Facebook users are used to getting information sorted by what happened most recently. If you keep your Page active, which you can do through mobile integrations and applications, you’ll find that your fans are more engaged and more interactive.

You can also send some or all of them messages by clicking “Send an Update to Fans” in the upper-left of your Page (under the profile picture). Updates are useful for sending out announcements like promotions, sales or events.

What’s the difference?

A Fan Page (Facebook Business Page) has Fans.  Those “Fans” have “authorized” you to send them commercial communications – a “Friend”  has not.  There’s so much more reason to have a Page than just this single legal technicality.  However it’s vital as Facebook, and doing business on Facebook grows that marketers understand what is legal and what is not.  So the real answer is that you need to start with a Profile. That profile should be for you, your true friends, and your family.  That Profile then can create a Business Page to promote you the “Professional” side of you.

PS: ActiveRain has it's own TOS - when was the last time you read that?

 

Comments(119)

Richard Weeks
Dallas, TX
REALTOR®, Broker

Mike,

Great factual information you provide here.  Thanks for your help and sharing this information.

Aug 25, 2009 12:02 AM
Nick Good
The Good Home Team with eXp Realty - McKinney, TX
www.TheGoodHomeTeam.com

Mike -

 

Great information!  I have a fanpage but I also post everything from the fanpage into my personal page as well as allowing twitter to send the updates to my personal page... I will change this now so I don't get the boot!

Aug 25, 2009 02:05 AM
Ken Barker Realtor® GRI, E-Pro Certified
Dilbeck Real Estate - Burbank, CA

Mike,

What great timing. I have been a rainer exclusively, although having a FB and Linked IN page, I just never took the time to expand. I got an invite from a high school friend on FB and BAMM hooked up a chat. It was fun to connect. Then I started browsing the site and said what a great way for posting what I do, a Realtor.

The other day I was warned that my clients or even friends that look at not only my posts but my "Friends" could be offended. What is stopping a "friend" from having a page full of sexual nature, political, religious etc...? Some would /could be offended. That was my hesitation. Today I was going to update my "business side" but not with the same aggressiveness since this post.

THANKS BIGTIME

Aug 25, 2009 03:41 AM
Antonio M. Cardenas Broker Associate
RE eBroker Group - San Leandro, CA. - San Leandro, CA
"The Realtors In Motion"

All right Mike, you definitely save a lot of us who routinely advertise our listings either via a blog post or a video, I cannot even think of not having all my family and friends in one place and to be able to connect with all of them.

Antonio

Aug 25, 2009 04:59 AM
Stefan Lubinski
Brainstorm Group LLC - Austin, TX

Great post Mike! Keep up the great work of remaining at the front of the social media movement.

I'd love to interview you on my new Small Biz America podcast (http://www.SmallBizAmerica.com/Selling) about this, and anything else that small business people need to know about the fine line between marketing and violating terms of agreements.

Stefan

Aug 25, 2009 08:38 AM
Debra Kukulski, Broker Associate
RE/MAX Suburban - Cary, IL
SRES;SFR,CDPE;GRI;ABR;e-PRO Realtor, Northern IL

Mike, thanks so much for this post!

Aug 25, 2009 10:06 AM
Mark Velasco
West Shores Realty - Whittier, CA
Top Producing Broker Associate

Thanks for the warning Mike. I better check if my Facebook has not been disabled too. LOL

Aug 25, 2009 05:59 PM
Charles Stallions
Charles Stallions Real Estate Services - Pensacola, FL
850-476-4494 - Pensacola, Pace or Gulf Breeze, Fl.

Need a book on all the do's and don'ts for all these different sites. Thanks to folks like you for your help. 

Aug 25, 2009 06:03 PM
Wayne L. Brown
Franklin Advantage Inc. - Alpine, CA

Mike

As usual, you have provided important information for all of us in the industry.  Thank you.

Aug 26, 2009 04:27 AM
Julie Chroust
Julie Chroust, Senior Loan Officer Bay Equity LLC - Walnut Creek, CA
(925) 381-1481 jchroust@bayeq.com

It sure will change some of the things I've been posting for sure.

Aug 26, 2009 05:44 AM
Michael Fontana
Round Rock Home Stager Austin Home Staging - Round Rock, TX
@ The Stage Coach

Thanks, Mike:
I will have to reconsider how I am using FB personal page.

The Stage Coach - Austin Home Stager

Aug 27, 2009 02:16 AM
Malita Jones
Sky Realty, Inc.- 512HomeStore.com - Austin, TX
Austin Texas Home Sales

In my opinion - if the majority of your friends are agents and the majority of your posts etc are real etate related then YES you need to set up a biz page - b/c that's what you pretty much have - most likely people that are your friends that are interested in your real estate 2 cents will follow - if not - they've already hidden you cause they are annoyed at your Spam

Aug 28, 2009 02:49 AM
Dava Behrens
Coldwell Banker Valley Brokers - Corvallis, OR
Broker, Corvallis, Oregon

So... 

Facebook is social networking.

I live, eat, breath and sleep real estate.  I do other stuff too, but mostly, I'm real estate.

My facebook profile is for the other stuff.  My page is for business (and to some degree neglected--have to work on that.

Here's the part I find ironic.  FB wants us to post to our Page if it's business related, but the default for feeding information is to the Profile.  Makes no sense.  I need to be able to do both... easily...

Is there a solution?

 

Aug 28, 2009 06:40 PM
Michele Rose
Rose-Colored Staging - Mount Holly Township, NJ
Burlington County Home Staging & Redesign

Oh, bother!  I have a business page but it is difficult getting the fans there!  I know I have to play by FB rules, but they could improve their system, making it easier to use the fan pages.  Basically, my friends and family don't seem to mind my talk of work-- some are even interested in what I'm doing!  If not, they can always "unfriend" me or "hide" me-- no harm done.  I guess I'm wondering why the strict rules when it's so easy to deny someone's "friendship?"

Sep 15, 2009 07:19 AM
Esko Kiuru
Bethesda, MD

Mike,

It's all out now, and pretty much clear to what can and cannot be done at Facebook. Nobody wants to be sent to the penalty box, so they ought to read this.

Sep 18, 2009 03:59 PM
Bob & Leilani Souza
Souza Realty 916.408.5500 - Roseville, CA
Greater Sacramento Area Homes, Land & Investments

What an informative post, Mike...thanks so much for sharing! :)

Leilani

Sep 22, 2009 07:23 PM
Kevin Cottrell
Austin Real Estate Today - Austin, TX

Mike-


Another great post - exactly why we are moving forward with our FB pages and will be separating our main FB page and diverting updates/listing posts, etc. and references to the content on our St Louis Website and Blog.

Can't wait to work with you on the project....

Jan 19, 2010 10:54 AM
Bill Dean
Haggerty Team St. Louis, Mo. - Fenton, MO
William Dean - Broker, Salesperson

Good information,

I joined Facebook and never read the TOS, most of my friends ARE realtors and lenders, I need to get a business page before they dump me out Thanks!!!

Feb 19, 2010 12:28 PM
Martin E. Kalisker, Esq.
Natick, MA
Real Estate Law From A Practical Perspective

I use widgets to promote my listings on Facebook.  If you want to click on them, you are free to do so.  Otherwise, don't and I won't be "spamming" you.

Mar 02, 2010 02:15 AM
Martin E. Kalisker, Esq.
Natick, MA
Real Estate Law From A Practical Perspective

I use widgets to promote my listings on Facebook.  If you want to click on them, you are free to do so.  Otherwise, don't and I won't be "spamming" you.

Mar 02, 2010 02:15 AM