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Maybe the Carpenter Put It in That Way.

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Home Inspector with Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton

When I see obvious problems my mind automatically switches into an investigative mode. I look at things a little differently after seeing certain problems. Of course, there could be many reasons that a certain system in a house would fail, so I start looking to see if there is a larger problem. This picture leaves little to investigate, because I know the history of this 100+ year old house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

If you look closely (or maybe you don't have to) you'll see the door frame is lower on the left than on the right.  The major problem is the what is going on with the ceiling.  The high point in the ceiling is directly over the door and almost exactly in the middle of the room.  After a little measurment and some inspection of the stone foundation it is obvious that the foundation is settling and there is a support in the center of the home that isn't (well at least not at the same rate).  The kitchen is on the other side of that door and this next picture show the settling even better.

No that is not some trick with the camera.  The outside walls are actually settling that badly.  I'll put one more up to demonstate the age of the home.  This is the passage toooo the the cellar.  That wall on the left is actually the one in the center of the home keeping the house from settling uniformly.

Passage on the way to the cellar.

The really dark hole to the right and further down the passage is the actual cellar.  The floor slopes down here, starting at about 4' tall to about 6' at the end.

Jack Gilleland

Home Inspection Services, Clayton

Clayton, Ohio

 

Ian Niquette
Square One Home Inspection - Markesan, WI

Jack, that is not a cellar. That looks like a full on dungeon.

Aug 27, 2009 02:33 PM
Joan Whitebook
BHG The Masiello Group - Nashua, NH
Consumer Focused Real Estate Services

Good illustrations of what may seem not too bad.. can really have a lot more going on.  It is important to have an good home inspector get to the bottom of things...

Aug 27, 2009 02:34 PM
Jen Bowman
Keller Williams on the Water - Holmes Beach, FL
Realtor - Anna Maria Island & Bradenton FL

Wow, Jack that house is settling! I wonder if it will continue to settle or can it be fixed?

Aug 27, 2009 02:35 PM
Erik Hitzelberger
RE/MAX Alliance - Louisville REALTOR-Luxury Homes - Louisville, KY
Louisville - Middletown Real Estate

Jack - Noce job getting to the bottom of things and finding a solution.  I'd be curious to know how or if this could be corrected.

 

 

Aug 27, 2009 02:39 PM
Jack Gilleland
Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton - Clayton, OH

Ian, there is some history concerning this "cellar" from the civil war, but I have to do a little more research.

Joan, Jen, Erik, I'm afraid that the cost of repair more than likely exceed the present value of the house.  As the stone foundation walls continue to deteriorate the perimeter walls will settle with it. There may be only one realistic solution to the problem, bulldozer. 

Aug 27, 2009 02:59 PM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Jack,

Sometimes it can be hard to figure what is bad workmanship and what is failure over time.

Aug 27, 2009 04:41 PM
Ian Niquette
Square One Home Inspection - Markesan, WI

I agree with you Steven. Sometimes, things just reach an gae where they are no longerr serviceable. Other times, just poor craftsmanship or installation.

Interesting Jack, was this a stop on a 'railroad' route possibly?

Aug 28, 2009 01:01 AM
Jay Markanich
Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC - Bristow, VA
Home Inspector - servicing all Northern Virginia

I had a "cost exceeds value" just the other day!

Houses move!  Especially over time...

Love the different stuccoes in the ceiling and the nicotine staining on the walls!

Aug 28, 2009 01:45 PM
Jack Gilleland
Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton - Clayton, OH

The front portion of this house is really old.  The back has been added on to several times, but the kitchen is twice as big as it once was.  The cellar came in from the outside originally that's why the long corridor before you get to it. 

Ian, not a railroad but a canal.  It is on a hill overlooking the Stillwater River which connects to the Miami River and then goes all the way to Cincinnati.

Jay, just a shame though that there wasn't some more care taken. 

Aug 28, 2009 02:05 PM
Jack Gilleland
Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton - Clayton, OH

Thought I'd put up a view of the outside.

Union Oh home

The one beyond was built pre 1860, I believe the one in question (foreground) is about the same age.

Aug 28, 2009 02:10 PM
Myrl Jeffcoat
Sacramento, CA
Greater Sacramento Realtor - Retired

Jack and Izzy - Because of its age and history, my inclination is to do everything I can to save it; but must admit, that would be totally out of my realm of expertise!

Aug 29, 2009 01:01 PM
Jack Gilleland
Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton - Clayton, OH

Myrl, I would love to save it, but people start calling the white coats when I make REALLY stupid financial decisions.

Aug 29, 2009 04:03 PM
Steven L. Smith
King of the House Home Inspection, Inc. - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham WA Home Inspector

Jack,

I had a house today where the workmanship was totally nuts.

Sep 05, 2009 02:26 PM
C. Bartch
Newark, OH

Jack, you're right it's a shame proper care wasn't kept up in the first place with this home. So we won't be calling the white-coats to come and get ya?

Sep 06, 2009 12:29 AM
Jack Gilleland
Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton - Clayton, OH

Steve, The older ones are usually better, but I'm guessing that this had been modified a time or two.

Cynthia, That's good because it usually takes a little time to convince them I'm not insane.

 

Sep 06, 2009 01:47 PM
Russel Ray, San Diego Business & Marketing Consultant & Photographer
Russel Ray - San Diego State University, CA

What the heck is a "cellar"? Did you mean to type "seller"? A good grammar checker could come in handy -- LOL.

Sep 07, 2009 07:06 PM
Jim Frimmer
HomeSmart Realty West - San Diego, CA
Realtor & CDPE, Mission Valley specialist

Hey, Jack - We haven't heard from you in almost two months now. Hope all is well, that you're really busy with those two monster dogs (and home inspections), but we want you back soon Playing in the Rain with us, too!

Nov 01, 2009 09:27 AM
William Decker
Decker Home Services, LLC - Highland Park, IL

Russel.

Cellar is like a very small basement.  Bigger than a crawlspace but smaller than a basement.

California has very few.  Earthquakes, you know.

Hope this helps;

Nov 02, 2009 10:13 AM