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Where is the IVPI?

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Real Estate Appraiser with Appraisal House Texas

An appraiser friend over in Houston called today, upset that he is being "dismissed" from Streetlinks appraiser list due to "geographic incompetence".  (Of course my first comment was to congratulate him from not having to do any more of their crappy 1/2 price AMC work, which is not what he wanted to hear.)

The short story is that the appraisal came in $3,500 under the sales price of the home, which mysteriously sold for about $5k over list (hidden closing costs, of course).  The realtor called and chewed him out for using comps in the "bad" section of the neighborhood while the Subject was in the "good" section.  Never mind that he had comps in all direction, all within 1/2 mile.  Then a few days later he got his notice from Streetlinks.  He's not completely out yet, they gave him some document which he can respond to that is apparently much more involved than one of those "challenge" requests -- he has to prove that he is geographically competent. 

The funny thing is that he grew up in that neighborhood, has friends that live there including the appraiser that he trained under and a realtor, and he only lives about 20 miles away from it.  None of them were aware that there is a good and bad section to the neighborhood.  Pretty obvious that he is competent.  Of course, Streetlinks doesn't care, because getting rid of him will appease the customer, and there is always someone else out there willing to make the number work,  to the detriment of the general economy.

So now that any realtor who can't get his price can throw us under the bus just by complaining, where is the agency that was supposed to be set up to help us?  Where do we complain to if someone is pressuring us?  Do you think Streetlinks will go to bat for him?  No chance, he talked to the (or "a") chief appraiser who agreed with him and them sent him the notice. 
FHFA, which includes or oversees OFHEO, has absolutely nothing new about it on its website since May 1st.  It seems to me that since the HVCC is now in effect, the idea of the IVPI has essentially been pushed aside and all parties involved (attorneys general, legislators, and everyone involved at Fannie/Freddie/FHFA) have moved on to the next big publicity item that might get them some attention.  And the poor appraisers, who were told that while they now had to sleep outside in the cold but would get a warm meal every now and again, now find that there is no meal to be had. 

As expected, we are on our own.  Realtors, don't expect much out of us, because the good appraisers now live in constant fear of being blacklisted or sued for doing a good job.  But don't worry, some kid willing to work for $9/hr doing an appraisal will get you your number, and you will get your commission.  Of course, maybe when the guy moves in and realizes he will never sell it for what he bought it for, and sues you, some forcibly retired appraiser somewhere will get a good laugh out of it.  

Comments (9)

Gynell Stalford - Texas Cert. Appraiser *****FHA & FLAGSTAR APPROVED*****
Metroplex Appraisal Services - The FHA Appraisal Shop - Frisco, TX

Mike, I feel for your friend. I thought the AMC's were to promote Appraiser Independence. LMAO. What a joke its turned out to be. I wrote a rant story yesterday not as bad as the one your friend is going through. And it can happen to any of us anytime. I feel like I need to start a HVCC Rant group.

Sep 10, 2009 03:31 PM
Heather Adkinson
Windermere K-2 Realty LLC www.propertiesinmoseslake.com - Moses Lake, WA
Real Estate Agent - Moses Lake

sheesh realtors in our town aren't even allowed to talk to the appraisers let alone chew them out.

Sep 10, 2009 04:59 PM
Michael Zollo
Coral Springs, FL
Certified Residential Appraiser, South Florida, FH

Mike, I wrote a post, a while back about Realtor need to check on who's doing the appraisal! Most of them have been told wrongly that they cannot talk to the appraiser at all, but they have a right and duty to their client to check out, who's doing the appraisal. They make it too easy for unsupervised trainees or unlicensed appraisers to work. I tell them to meet the appraiser at the subject, don't just give out the lockbox number, and ask for their I.D. and appraiser license. They also need to check the state website to see if there's an charges filed on the appraiser. If their an unsupervised appraiser I wouldn't let them do the job!  I've yet to be asked for my I.D. the only thing Realtors ask for is a business card! I stop and show them my I.D. and appraisal license, when someone meets me at the subject(very very rare).

I don't know if it's nation wide, but in Florida, you now have to have an AA degree or 21 semester hours in courses that will help them with appraising. What I think should be done is, besides the ABI course to be come a trainee, they should also meet the AA degree or 21 semester hours, before becoming a trainee. When I took my ABII and 15 hour USPAP course over 3 years ago, there were people who had been trainees for 6 years!!!!!! Do you really think his supervisor was going out to the subject for 6 years!!!

$9.00 an hour appraiser = You want fries with that?

Sep 11, 2009 03:11 AM
Jesse Skolkin
Independent New York State Certified Real Estate Appraiser - Fresh Meadows, NY

Mike:

I do work for some AMCs which have a hotline for appraisers to utilize if they feel that they are being unduly influenced.

I looked at Streetlinks web site, and found the following information:

Independence HotLine: 1(800)778-4915

Steve Haslam, President and CEO (317) 215-8180 steve.haslam@streetlinks.com

I would call this Independence Hotline and have proof of "geographical competence" such as a list of addresses in the subject market that your friend appraised.  If that did not get the situation rectified, I would contact the president of the company.  Failing that, I would contact the state AG's office.

Sep 11, 2009 01:27 PM
Mike Lay
Appraisal House Texas - Austin, TX

Jesse, that was the point of my post -- that he appealed to Streetlinks, and given the choice to side with a good appraiser with proven geographic competence or a noisy client, they chose the client.  With no IVPI in place, what can an appraiser really do?  Sure, he can call the AG, but do you think they care?  Doubtful.  Would they order Streetlinks to put him back on the list and use him?  No chance.  Is there really any downside to the situation for Streetlinks?  Nope.  Find another appraiser to do the work -- of which there are many -- and move on.  Nobody cares about the little guy...

Sep 11, 2009 02:28 PM
Jesse Skolkin
Independent New York State Certified Real Estate Appraiser - Fresh Meadows, NY

Mike:

I understand all of that, and that the relationship with the AMC is not salvageable, but sometimes action feels better than doing nothing.

Sep 12, 2009 09:40 AM
Sara Goodwin
Estimation Nation Corporation - Portland, OR
Portland, Oregon Appraiser

Oh those silly mischievous concessions!  I have so much more to say on the topic, but I'm really practicing holding my tongue today.  More later (?)

Sep 12, 2009 10:26 AM
Jesse Skolkin
Independent New York State Certified Real Estate Appraiser - Fresh Meadows, NY

Mike:

The latest news I have heard regarding the IVPI is that a web site will be launched in November to begin accepting complaints.

Oct 20, 2009 11:54 AM
Anonymous
Tom

And on the complete other side of things, we now have appraisers that don't have any business relationship with the bank/secondary market and can deliver sub-par appraisals not worrying about doing complete research in determining if there is actual sales that can justify value.  If not, cool, but if I have to submit the appeal and sales that are more closely related then there is a problem.  So, if you are going to blame one side of it, then you have to the other too.

Aug 03, 2010 09:19 AM
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