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Baucus Bill - a bunch of Useless concessions to the repubs, who DON'T give a shit...

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Services for Real Estate Pros with ha media group

So the long awaited Baucus Bill is out there. Spineless bit of 'trying to appease' the repubs, find common ground and all that garbage.

I find it offensive that the bill expects to FINE people for not puchasing health insurance, but the only option for us to have insurance is to hand our money to the POS's at the helm of United, Blue Cross et al. The schmucks who would kill a person for a 10-cent increase in their freakng stock portfolios. The schmucks who believe 'being a victim of domestic violence is a pre-existing condition", the assholes who will not treat your cancer because you've had acne....

Fuck you, Baucus and the rest of you spineless dems out there for this yet another insult to the people who voted you in office, the people who rallied behind the new administration like they've never rallied before. Take you bill and your insurance exchanges/coops/pools or whatever the hell you want to call them, you know, the middle man funnelling more of our money to the insurance monopolies, and stick it up your collective asses.

Is there one of you out there, in that fab gang who isn't in it for re-election, ego, being liked, but to do the right thing? Because you all know that MANDATORY health insurance coverage without a PUBLIC OPTION is unconscionable. You've always known that. But you are weak, and scared, and therefore, useless.

At least the other side has their convictions, that don't change as the wind blows, only with each new Beck segment. At least they have balls.

 

Originally published by me at: www.coffeedrinkersunite.com - a social network for free-thinking progreesive types.

Nogui Aramburo
Linda Craft & Team, REALTORS® - Raleigh, NC
Real Estate Professional in the Raleigh Area

Sure Mike, choose your own doctors within your network.

Dick- I mean Nick, I always enjoy your polite retorts- they are only eclipsed by your unbiased, fact based blog posts.

Sep 16, 2009 12:38 PM
Terry Haugen STAGE it RIGHT! 321-956-2495
Stage it Right! - Melbourne, FL

Yep that a**hole wasted two months. And on news of that crummy handout to the insurance industry, ALL of their stocks rose today!

Nogui, morons don't realize anything. Thats why they're called morons. Fateezik!

COFFEE DRINKERS STAND UNITED!

Sep 16, 2009 01:54 PM
Jason Sardi
Auto & Home & Life Insurance throughout North Carolina - Charlotte, NC
Your Agent for Life

Inna - I swear ( every pun intended ) that you use more 'foul' language than any other person I subscribe too.  That's impressive considering I subscribe to Crazy Shark Dude, Paul Slaybaugh, Joel Olsteen, and myself;)

I admire the fact that you are a staple with your stance.  Frankly, I don't disagree from what I know about the situation you are speaking about.

Liberal and Conservative Agenda aside, FUCK THEM.  I'm tired of rhetorical amusement disguised as something to help the very folks they are working for.  I see tired names being called of tired people on this thread.  It makes me, tired.  I should go to sleep and dream sweet dreams of not recognizing my ass from my brain.

~Sigh~

Saunders said,"But, regarding status quo, there are many things that can be done to make health care and insurance more affordable. I have posted several recommendations, as have several others. We don't need a government option that will be just as poorly managed as the post office, cash for clunkers, social security, .....(and the list goes on)."

I applaude a few of those recommendations.  I don't want more Government, which intrigues me of why those who spout less Government want more in social situations.  I've become a fiscally conservative type of guy, which is popular in many parts.  My only addition is that if you really want less government, practice it when you preach. 

This debate is about Health Insurance &/or Reform.  I don't have any (Health Insurance), by choice and current financial situation.  I don't desire anybody to give me anything.  My only desire is to see this through and make it one less economic circumstance that I have to spout to the God's that I could do something else and make this a bit less financially painful.  I eat healthy; I eat right; and I certainly don't condone those who have a cold nose and feverish pitch in their voice. 

Sep 16, 2009 02:42 PM
Hugh Krone
Weichert Referral Associates - Hamburg, NJ
Realtor, Sussex County NJ

Nogui~ I think you are the only person in the country who really believes the public option is really meant to be an option

I know this is a radical thought but maybe if our leader stopped talking out the sides of their mouths and told us the truth peoplemight respect them more. And I mean that for both sides.

I really honestly want something to get done but my mistrust for the govt is just too strong to get behind this. And of course anyone who knows me knows I wil not back any plan that does not explicity prohibit publically funded abortions. No word games o this one.

Also how about honestly tellig us how you are going to pay for it. Not the socalled cutting back on fraud we,ve ben hearing abpout for  my whole life. I am sure I couldcut a trillion dollars of the federal  budget in order to pay for healthcare but that would mean taking on the special interest groups.

Sep 16, 2009 03:20 PM
Mike Saunders
Retired - Athens, GA

No Nogui - I could chose a doctor outside of the network, it would just cost me more, but, I had the choice.

Sardi - I think there is a place for government, but certainly not in social situations, though, I don't know if you were referring to me or not. But anyone that has read what I have written would realize that. I also don't have insurance, by choice. I would, if the government would have allowed two things that would really encourage competition 1) full insurance transportability, I was not allowed, by law, to take my insurance with me when I moved to Georgia 2) the ability to by insurance across state lines - by law, I could only by what is offered here under the direction of the state. I would have gone from just over $300 a month for my wife and I to over $1500 a month, for less insurance with a huge deductible and high copays.

 

Sep 16, 2009 03:33 PM
Erik Hitzelberger
RE/MAX Alliance - Louisville REALTOR-Luxury Homes - Louisville, KY
Louisville - Middletown Real Estate

Inna - Might I suggest that you slow down on the coffee a little.  Perhaps only 4 cups before posting?  :)

Sep 16, 2009 04:58 PM
Scott Smith
Coldwell Banker Residential Brokerage - Gloucester, MA
Gloucester & Rockport, Massachusetts

Inna: The Baucus Bill is terrible. This is certainly NOT what this liberal wants. It is a giveaway to the insurance industry, whom he is in the big pocket of (as is Addison "Joe" you lie Wilson)

Sep 17, 2009 12:00 AM
Nogui Aramburo
Linda Craft & Team, REALTORS® - Raleigh, NC
Real Estate Professional in the Raleigh Area

Count Baucala has done an excellent job. When the most conservative member of your party comes out with a bill that not even the Republicans can accept, i mean this bill is bad- that health insurance exec called it "A gift" to the health insurance companies.

After all attempts at bi partisanship have been exhuasted- then you do what the majority people elected you to do and pass reform with your majority.

 

Sep 17, 2009 12:13 PM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Mike S - The point of this blog really was that if one were to be mandated to have insurance, than we HAVE to have an option that is not profit driven.  No amount of insurance regulation will be able to 'force' them to choose treating someone vs not if their profits are directly tied to denying treatment. 

Baucus is a coward who is traying to placate the extremists worried about socialism, and he's getting compensated for it rather handsomely by the same lobby he is supposed to be trying to regulate.  Asinine is an understatemet.

Sep 18, 2009 02:06 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
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Nogui @#18 - ditto.

Mike S @#19 - well, then, you are one of the lucky ones.  Most of us have gotten screwed by the intricate webs insurance companies have woven to deny coverage.  The in-network thing is the biggest racket there is.

Sep 18, 2009 02:09 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Nick - thank you for your brilliant contribution.  It's rather incredible that you could actually just cut and paste the same bloody comments on any posts and it would make no difference.  Insult the liberals, no matter the subject matter.

 

Sep 18, 2009 02:10 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
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Terry - maybe it's a good thing, cause there is no way this bill would pass, and at least now it's all too clear who and what Baucus is, hence there'll be no further expectations from him:-)

Sep 18, 2009 02:12 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
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Sardi - fair enough, and I agree with you more than I don't.  That being said, if it's not ok for the governement to regulate private enterprise of healthcare and insurance, then why is it acceptable to tell attorneys how much or little money they will be making?  Where exactly to we draw that line.

One last note: not having health insurance by choice as you put it is only fine to a point, Jason.  It changes when something serious affllicts one and our life or death suddently gets measured by what we have in the bank.  I think that makes us a little uncivilized.

Sep 18, 2009 02:17 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
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Hugh - public option is, indeed, only an option.  I believe by the latest estimates, in the long term, people who would choose public option and those who would stay with private insurance will be split roughly in half.

AS for mistrust - when it comes to helth care, I mistrust my Government a heck of a lot less than I mistrust private insurance companies who would profit in direct proportion to treatments and medicines they DO NOT cover. 

Sep 18, 2009 02:21 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Erik - I'll consider it:-) Maybe I ought to just switch to tea:-)

Scott - the bill is beyond terrible.  At this point, I refuse to be surprised by awesome displays of greed and lack of balls that determine our future.

Nogui - and now, a kick in the dem's teeth - Bill O'So-Republican-Reily SUPPORTS PUBLIC OPTION...

(i posted the vid on cdu)

How freaking embarrassing.:-)

Sep 18, 2009 02:25 AM
Mike Saunders
Retired - Athens, GA

Inna - I have been insured in 4 states, but multiple companies, and all of my policies had an out of network coverage clause. Even the HMO was a member of had out of network coverage. And that was a not for profit organization, or, co-op under the current language.

Like I replied to Sardi, it is current, archaic, federal law, or lack of, that affects my insurance here. Portability and the ability to buy insurance across state lines would greatly increase competition and reduce costs.

Sep 18, 2009 03:02 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Mike - the most comprehensive private insurance policy (on paper) i ever had was through an employer. It was Untited Healthcare policy, for which we had to chip in a few hundred bucks a month.  The week before my due date to deliver my yongest son I called United to confirm that my doctor was still in network.  He was. But the hospital he worked at was no longer in netword.  So my insurance would pay for the doctor's time, but none of the nurses, and not for the hospital stay, even though maternity WAS supposedly COVERED. 

When I asked the lady on the phone what the heck I was supposed to do now, she told me oh so non-chalantly that I was supposed to drive to another hospital when I went into labor - the one that I'd never been to, that didn't have my records, and that happened to be 3.5 hours away from my house. 

At the time, I was still young enough and naive enough to just think that I was somehow unlucky.  Now i know that stunts like that are POLICY. 

You were the lucky one, Mike.:-)

Sep 18, 2009 03:09 AM
AZ Mortgage Broker: Michael George
Arizona Wholesale Mortgage Inc. - Phoenix, AZ
AZ Mortgage Rates

Inna-- you are right; they just don't care.  It's part of the whole conservative agenda.  They don't believe in government.

Of course, how people can vote for a government that doesn't believe in government is beyond me.  How people can vote for a guy who can't speak English, but who would be nice to "have a beer with" is beyond me.  It's almost like they don't take politics seriously. 

Let's all vote for movie stars and beauty queens and C-students!  That's what this country needs!

Sep 22, 2009 08:01 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Michael - sorry for the belated reply, somehow i missed my notificatin on this:-)

We've already had movie stars and C-students... I guess the repubs sincerely miss those days.  After all, they were so much easier to understand, even when the words used didn't exist - we knew what was in their hearts, yah know... How wrong can you go with a 'yah bettcha...'

ARGGG:-)

 

Sep 23, 2009 03:02 AM
Alice Linahan
Voices Empower - Argyle, TX

Inna,

Whewwww I have not had my Rockstar today (I am not a coffee drinker) but I do have one Rockstar a day and after reading this post I think it is about time to have it.

First  THERE IS NO BAUCUS BILL from what I understand it is just concepts and has not been written in legislative language so this CBO report out today is bogus.

The Baucus Concepts are disasterous but what is even worse is that they would vote on concepts and not even an actual bill.  From the above article.

"Your esteemed Senators have so little respect for you that some of them are willing to vote in favor of legislation which does not exist because THERE IS NO BAUCUS BILL.

The actual legislation will be drafted in secret by Harry Reid and a few other people, including staffers whose names and political connections you never will know, and the resulting legislation will be rammed through the Senate and House before anyone gets to read and analyze it."

PLEASE READ....Morning Bell: The Baucus Bait And Switch

And yet CNN is willing to do a little advertising for the Healthcare reform no matter what is on the table using private school children of course. I don't think they expected Willie to be such a smart kid. Thank God for Willie.......

Hey here is a plug for Private school over Public.

More Loopy Obama Worship from CNN as a 10-year-old Lectures Anchor on Healthcare

 

Oct 08, 2009 06:25 AM