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How to get rid of a promissory note after a short sale

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Services for Real Estate Pros with TheLawsonGroup Mediation Svcs www.LawsonGroupMediation.com

Kenneth R. Lawson, JD

A lot of people have been required to sign a promissory note as a condition to the lender approving a short sale.

 

The promissory notes are usually for a small to moderate percentage of the deficiency balance, paid over ten (10) years, with no interest.  The promissory note requirement is usually a good deal, and see my other articles on this subject concerning predicting when a promissory note will be required.

 

 

 

However, many homeowners are in severe financial distress, and the thought of having another payment followingNot much money after a short sale the short sale is not a happy one!

 

Most borrowers after a short sale need to find a place to rent, and another payment on top of rent might often push the borrowers over the edge.  It is often the case that a short sale falls through simply because the borrower rejects the idea of a promissory note.

 

 

Rescue after a short sale

 

However, do not despair!  There is a way out of it.

 

Your seller may only have to make the promissory note payments for a year, or even less.

 

Why?  Because after the file is closed and the new loan (promissory note) has been set up for collections, a short time is required for the lender to see that the borrower makes faithful payments.  If so, then about a year out (often as soon as immediately, depending upon the lender), the borrower can seek to settle the debt for a fraction of what is owed.

 

"But for how much?" you might ask.  Almost any lender will settle a promissory note for 80%, without hesitation.  60% takes some discussion and effort to convince them, but many will do it.  To settle the debt for 50% may require financial distress on the part of the borrower, with low income and difficult circumstances. 

 

The best way is to go to a lawyer and have the lawyer draft a letter and fax it to the lender's customer A good lawyer to help negotiate the promissory note payoffservice department (collections), with a copy to the lender's bankruptcy department.  The lawyer can state that the borrowers have come to him to discuss the promissory note obligation, and their difficulty paying it.  They are considering bankruptcy, but this promissory note is the only issue causing that consideration.  The lawyer then makes an offer for 10%-30% depending upon the borrowers' financial condition.

 

In my law practice, we often contacted various creditors when the clients did not really need a bankruptcy, but did need relief.  10%-30% was often the amount for which the lenders would settle.  However, it was often the case that my being an attorney was the instrument that got them to agree.  Why?  Because the lenders know we are serious.

 

Best wishes,

 

Ken Lawson, JD

TheLawsonGroup Mediation Services

Comments (15)

Brian Brumpton
Keller Williams Boise - Boise, ID
Boise Idaho Real Estate

Ken,

That should make a promissory note easier to swallow.  I've been told by two negotiators from different banks that they expect people to default on them.  They both said just have your seller sign it and we don't care if them make a payment.

It shocked me a little but in reality people in a short sale situation are highly likely to default on the note.

Sep 16, 2009 10:56 AM
William J. Archambault, Jr.
The Real Estate Investment Institute - Houston, TX

Ken,

Interesting idea.

I don't like saying they might do any thing like filing bankruptcy unless they are considering it. 32 years ago I paid for my attorney to have printed "a negotiating letterhead" it simply implied he was a bankruptcy attorney. He used it repeatedly. Some times it's not what you say, it's what "they" think you're saying.

Bill

Sep 16, 2009 11:05 AM
Jon Zolsky, Daytona Beach, FL
Daytona Condo Realty, 386-405-4408 - Daytona Beach, FL
Buy Daytona condos for heavenly good prices

Ken,

As alwasy, a very good post. Very important, as when you mention a promissory note to a Seller, they start yelling right away, and they wast foreclosure, bankruptcy, anything, but there will be no Promissory Note signed, ever.

thank you

Sep 16, 2009 04:46 PM
Ken Lawson
TheLawsonGroup Mediation Svcs www.LawsonGroupMediation.com - Idaho Falls, ID
JD, Short Sale Coach

Brian,

That employee may say they don't care, but the truth is, that they will seek legal action to collect on the promissory note.  They do this one of two ways: either to merely turn it over to a collection agency, or have a regional servicing lender office turn it over to a collection law firm for legal action.  Although it is often the case that people default on those loans, it usually speaks to the fact that they were in deep financial doo-doo to begin with and were already likely to bankrupt.

Thanks for the comment, Brian.

 

Bill,

I don't advocate ever being dishonest.  However, when a client came to me for advice on financial matters, bankruptcy is always an option to consider.  With the lawyer stating that possibility, it carries weight and encourages them to consider alternatives.  It is absolutely truthful, and a consideration even if the client is not personally considering it.  The idea here is to communicate to the lender that there are various options being considered, stating the most severe possibility.  With a financially strapped borrower, getting rid of the promissory note will benefit both the client and the lender.  A client who has rehabilitated themselves will likely have to pay a higher percentage.

Again, thanks Bill for your comment.

Jon,

Yes, it is true that sellers/borrowers often are irrational about the options available to them, and presenting this future possibility of negotiating away the promissory note may make it more palatable.

Thanks, Jon

Ken

Sep 17, 2009 03:47 AM
Satar Naghshineh
Satar - Amiri Property and Financial Services Corp. - Irvine, CA

Ken, another great blog! It's a shame your blogs don't get the exposure they should deserve. A lot of short sale agents would greatly benefit from reading your blogs. Thanks again!

Sep 17, 2009 04:15 PM
Ken Lawson
TheLawsonGroup Mediation Svcs www.LawsonGroupMediation.com - Idaho Falls, ID
JD, Short Sale Coach

Well, Satar, I am working on the exposure, lol.  Everything I do, from books, to training, to coaching, our mediation services, and these blog articles, are all to help short sale agents.  Making my living from doing what I love is certainly a joy and pleasure.  What you don't see are all the phone calls and emails I receive and I am able to track their progress and success.

Thanks, Satar,

Ken

Sep 18, 2009 04:03 AM
Lynn Pineda
eXp Realty - Boca Raton, FL
Real Estate Promises delivered in SE Florida

Ken, yes, I agree from the others; great ideas.  You make me think what's going on with promissory notes when I have an approved short sale that fell through the actual day of closing when the Buyer changed their mind; they lost their escrow deposit and we found a new Buyer and we're closing next week.  There was a promissory note on the file from PMI and it is now back in play and the Lender repeatedlly has reminded me to let the homeowner know that their first payment is coming due for Oct 1st. Hmmm. What you're saying makes sense now that I see how they're pushing to get that first payment in.

Sep 19, 2009 02:30 PM
Lynn Pineda
eXp Realty - Boca Raton, FL
Real Estate Promises delivered in SE Florida

I've also know Short Sale Sellers to sign a promissory note and after the sale have not received one notice of a bill due or any collection activity.  It simply dropped off.

Sep 19, 2009 02:34 PM
Ken Lawson
TheLawsonGroup Mediation Svcs www.LawsonGroupMediation.com - Idaho Falls, ID
JD, Short Sale Coach

Lynn,

Yes, you have pointed out both ends of the spectrum.  Most promissory notes, however, are enforced.

Thanks for your comments.

Ken

Sep 20, 2009 05:38 AM
Christine Donovan
Donovan Blatt Realty - Costa Mesa, CA
Broker/Attorney 714-319-9751 DRE01267479 - Costa M

This definitely bears some thought though I wonder if planning this in advance might be fraudulent?

Sep 20, 2009 12:59 PM
Gabe Sanders
Real Estate of Florida specializing in Martin County Residential Homes, Condos and Land Sales - Stuart, FL
Stuart Florida Real Estate

Ken, thanks for this post.  I came across it a little late, but , it bears re-blogging.

Oct 19, 2009 11:15 PM
Ken Lawson
TheLawsonGroup Mediation Svcs www.LawsonGroupMediation.com - Idaho Falls, ID
JD, Short Sale Coach

Christine, no, planning a strategy for negotiating with lenders is not fraudulent.  This response is based upon the court decision that bankruptcy planning also is not fraudulent. 

 

Gabe, you're welcome.

 

Ken

Oct 29, 2009 10:16 AM
Anonymous
Joel

Hi Ken,

I would you like you to opine on the following if you dont mind please.

The seller on a short sale has 2 mortgages on the property. The buyer made an offer which the first lien bank approved. The Second lien wants the seller to sign a promissory note which the seller has agreed to do, but would like to negotiate the amount/terms. Hence the seller has hired an attorney for the negotiation. What do you think the chances of this short sale to go through are and how long does the negotiation process typically take?

Thanks for your help

Joel

Feb 05, 2011 09:37 AM
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Ken Lawson
TheLawsonGroup Mediation Svcs www.LawsonGroupMediation.com - Idaho Falls, ID
JD, Short Sale Coach

That's a difficult two-part question to answer.  As far as how long it takes, it all depends upon if the second is the investor or merely the servicer, what entity it is, and how their caseload to processor ratio it is.  Typically it takes up to a couple weeks.  Remember, everything I say here is true except when it is not! lol

Now, as to chances.  With some entities, the chances are good.  However, the PN is often a settlement of the deficiency balance and there are a number of factors coming into play in their decision-making.  Please see my other blog article about those factors.  If the attorney can mitigate against those factors, the chances are much better.

An exception:  there are some entities who hold seconds where they are the investor and they have an internal policy to penalize the borrower by strong demands and are willing to lose money just to hurt them.  If you have one of these, then they will not negotiate and they may actually hope the borrower won't take the deal.

Good luck!

Ken

Apr 11, 2011 07:54 AM
Anonymous
Joel

Hey Ken,

 

THank you for the answer. Actually we got the house, 17K less than the original price. Since the question I posed, the seller signed the note with a week but then the appraisal came in lower. That was another headache. Fortunately the first lien just took that hit. It was was actually less complicated in the end for us.

Thanks again 

Joel

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