Is ActiveRain just for Traditional brokerages?

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Real Estate Agent with HER Realtors

Is there something in the ActiveRain Guidelines that I missed?  Where is the part about ActiveRain is only for agents from traditional brokeages? 

Whatever a "traditional" brokerage is.  

NAR's Antitrust quiz says:

"For more than a century, federal antitrust laws have existed as a way to promote competition and prevent monopolies in business. Because real estate brokers and salespeople frequently cooperate with one another in the sale of properties, they have numerous opportunities to engage in conduct that might be construed as violations of antitrust laws."

The first comment a member in Iowa received on his first ActiveRain post started out:  

 

"Firstly, I want to point out that the Active Rain blogs are not a place for you to directly advertise your business like this; but that is between you and the Active Rain moderators."

He's not able to advertise his business? I am? Are you?  The commenter did.  He's not posted to ActiveRain for a long time.

The next paragraph of the comment to  Flat Fee MLS in Iowa and in the United States for only $499  sounds like he is accusing the new member of bait and switch and more...

Who was the ActiveRain post written to?  Screen shot:

Who was ActiveRain member talking to

That's Localism.  Talking to the general public.  That's not let's debate my business model with my peers.

The third post by the ActiveRain member from  Flat Fee MLS in Iowa.  

Read the first comment?  Same warning that ActiveRain is not the place for Scott (of Flat Fee MLS ) to promote his business

Who was the ActiveRain member talking to in the blog post?

Who is the ActiveRain member talking to

The commenter goes on and wants to tell Scott about his fees...  what commission he charges....

Now the commenter is in another market...but his striking up this commission conversation makes me think of a couple of the questions on that NAR Antitrust Quiz.

ActiveRain hostile territory for non traditional brokerages? Franchises? Business models?

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Rainmaker
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Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Darren? Daryl?  Darrel? Integrity mortgage guy..

Others have used that excuse in earlier comments.

The fact that the comment is old is immaterial, if he is talking commissions,

He is an ActiveRain member.  He last  commented on a post on Friday September 25, 2009. That seems like he's still an active member to me. 

Not harassing Scott Thomas anymore? 

got tired? 

someone told him he's a pawn participating in Scott's marketing? 

 

 

Sep 28, 2009 02:34 AM #45
Rainmaker
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Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Chad I care because of the antitrust issue. Did you follow the court cases in the United States against local boards and NAR? 

Flat fee MLS is not a 2nd class citizen in the US.

Canada?  I don't know and really don't care. Maybe being a Canadian rather than a US citizen allows you some freedom that we don't have in our business.  

The comment should have come down long ago, the one where he quotes

"Less than X% of all real estate transactions involve a X% fee.  Most agents in my area (GA) charge an average of Y%."

Scott left it all up because it is good for his business to have a Keller Williams agent making that statement.  Is it good for his KW brokerage?  His local association? His state association? NAR?  No. 

Is it good for ActiveRain?

Usually the biggest opponents to alternate real estate business models on ActiveRain are lenders who want to stir up trouble.

 

If you want to be the Canadian pawn to Scott Thomas, you can take up where the guy on  "a personal mission to stomp out these discount services"  left off.

Or it looks like Michael Ford in California is looking for a stooge on his posts? (Edit Michael does not yet have a blog) like the way the fella who Tim Maitski described as "a personal mission to stomp out these discount services."

The morons on "a personal mission to stomp out these discount services" are their advertising.

The morons on " a personal mission to stomp out these discount services" on public posts are putting on a good show for consumers who might be considering trying their business model. 

The comments on Sponsored Featured Posts are for a totally different reason.  Totally monetary but I don't want to confuse the issues.  I've posted on that issue twice before. This post is about business model.  Some people get confused if you try to cover too much ground.

Chad and Michael thanks for your comments now move along.

 

 

Sep 28, 2009 03:00 AM #46
Rainmaker
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Jason Burkholder
Weichert, Realtors - Welcome Home - Lancaster, PA
Associate Broker, Realtor, e-Pro, CMS

Maureen,  Thankl you for the discussion, I agree, many agents have no idea how close they walk the line of antitrust violations.  There is room for everyone, companies of every size, shape or fee structure at the real estate table.  The whole point of this entire community is to help each other learn, grow and promote ourselves.  I personally think you should never advertise fees, regardless of what you charge, just because of the potential for anti trust issues.

Sep 28, 2009 03:18 AM #47
Rainmaker
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Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

YES Jason thank.... thank you... thank you... thank you...

 

Sep 28, 2009 03:26 AM #48
Rainer
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Michael Ford
San Diego, CA
California+Hawaii+Oregon

maureen, bitter much?

i don't need to look for a stooge, you're doing fine without my help. 

in just three posts you called us morons, idiots, stooges.

nice.

regards, mike

Sep 28, 2009 04:46 AM #49
Rainmaker
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Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Michael Welcome to ActiveRain, please enjoy yourself someplace else.  Anyplace else where someone welcomes your comments.

They are not welcome on this post.

This is NOT a discussion of free speech.  Or politics.  Want to discuss that elsewhere?  ActiveRain gave you a blog to use.   Go start your AR blog.

Your comment did not make much sense to me.  I did not bother to comment back to it.  I don't understand the political reference at the end or appreciate your putting it into this discussion.

You've been asked to move along twice now.

Sep 28, 2009 05:05 AM #50
Rainmaker
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Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I am not wild about discounters, but I do not see why they should be cut out, unless they do something illegal or dishonest.

Sep 28, 2009 05:10 AM #51
Rainmaker
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Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Gene I am sure the majority of AR members know that all business models are equal on AR, we can all use our AR Blog / Localism / our Outside blogs to promote ourselves, just a few are on "a personal mission to stomp out these discount services."  Or any other business model. 

I have seen an agent with Exit told they could not promote their company.

I have seen a Keller Williams agent told they could not promote their company on AR, that it was not right. 

One of Chris Svec w/ Real Living's early posts there was a comment that he could not use AR to promote the Real Living brand. 

Chris sells franchises. 

The  AR Guidelines don't say don't try to recruit other agents, don't try to sell a franchise... there are not special rules for vendors selling to the real estate industry. 

Thanks for the comment Gene with the new, different avatar...

 


Sep 28, 2009 05:28 AM #53
Rainer
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Michael Ford
San Diego, CA
California+Hawaii+Oregon

maureen,

thank you for the warm welcome.

your style is very off-putting, and the consistency with which you peddle it indicates to me that it's not an anomaly.

as you go about defending any modified business plan you have please consider that the issues that others may have with your plan are not the fee schedules but perhaps the personnel promoting it.  consider further that the willingness of the agents in your trade area to be willing to deal with your agency is negatively impacted by the style and tone of your interactions.  before you get back on your anti-trust soapbox take a moment reflect on whether you may be clobbering your clients sales and marketing efforts with your "business style".  we get to choose who we deal with.  in your case i would be an anti-selector as they say in the insurance trade.

i suspect that i am merely saying what many others are thinking.

what treat you must be to transact with. bitter AND snarky...together at last!.

 

 

 

Sep 28, 2009 05:44 AM #54
Rainmaker
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Sally K. & David L. Hanson
EXP Realty 414-525-0563 - Brookfield, WI
WI Realtors - Luxury - Divorce

Hi Maureen...

 

 I think I have gotten a comment once from someone "accusing" me of promoting our business...golly gee whiz...the point of blogging would be to......talk to each other...?  I enjoy that too...but ....

Sep 28, 2009 06:52 AM #55
Rainmaker
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Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Sally Thanks for the comment.  Promoting your business? 

Or promoting your brand?  Early on, on ActiveRain I got a lot of cr*p from others for talking about Real Living HER (or maybe our name was HER Real Living back then....) including from someone with  the company.  If you are blogging and don't name drop keywords like your brokerages name it is a missed opportunity IMHO. 

Some brands have a stronger incentive to recruit than others ... if I don't want to read it I can move along and read something else.  There is plenty to read on AR.

Sep 28, 2009 07:15 AM #56
Rainer
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Chad McBain
RE/MAX R.E. CENTRE - Guelph, ON

Maureen I did not discuss commissions on this or any post, I did not discuss nationalism on this or any other post nor did I say that I had issue with the model. I even agreed with your basic point. I am not sure why you took my post as an attack since it was more of a question then a statement. Sorry if you took it personally. Now I will do as asked not share my "Canadian" questions or thoughts any further.

Sep 28, 2009 09:10 AM #57
Rainmaker
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Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Finally found it...  Here's the classic post from an ActiveRain employee (former) Caleb Mardini about talking commissions on ActiveRain

Talking Commissions = Serious Consequences

"On Your ActiveRain Blog Directed At Professionals:

    * Do not discuss agree or imply anything regarding commissions, rates, fees charged or paid, formally or informally.
    * Do not discuss imply or agree to anything regarding a boycott of a competitor.

Talk about rates with consumers, not your colleagues."

 

Sep 28, 2009 10:38 AM #58
Rainmaker
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Lyn Sims
RE/MAX Suburban - Schaumburg, IL
Schaumburg IL Real Estate

We are allowed to speak our business plans/models whatever they maybe, but we are not allowed to discuss commission rates which has been discussed ad nauseum.  Your last 3 sentences above should be memorized by all here on AR.

Sep 28, 2009 11:48 AM #59
Rainer
31,350
George Wilson
Lincolnton, NC - Lincolnton, NC

Maureen, I agree with you that a general discussion of commissions, etc. should be tread on very lightly. NC has long had antitrust laws concerning the commission talk: a seller or buyer who phones the office to ask what we charge can be given a range("5% - 10% depending on location & type/condition of property") but to get a hard specific commission quote they have to have a "face-to-face" meeting (NCREC has a habit to call an office to catch someone talking specific commission rates). AR is a great place to discuss ideas on everything RE. I read most blogs but comment when I have something to contribute or clarify otherwise I move on.

You want to advertize what you charge then buy an AD to avoid possible court case; I get cards/letters/email all the time from promoters espousing their fees.

Sep 28, 2009 05:49 PM #60
Rainmaker
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Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Lyn  Those are Caleb's words. I don't think it is linked to the Guidelines or is really addressed in the Guidelines other than being a federal law. 

I don't think a lot of people really understand it. 

I know most lenders don't have a clue. 

I know a lot of brokerages and brands would not want their agents online talking commission rates to colleagues.

George wow NC is tough.  I don't think OH law  is any stricter than federal antitrust laws. 

I was at a board committee meeting maybe 5 years ago when a "virtual office" broker gave a presentation.  I think he had hand outs about his company and it had info about his fees.  So I believe they were collected back up from us. 

The next year I was in charge of a sub-committee and we were doing VO (Virtual Office) and I mentioned something about his presentation and the magazine article that was published about it  and someone told me more about what a big mess the year before had turned into.  

Ran into that VO broker recently at a tech event... could not place him at first.

You said "you want to advertize what you charge then buy an AD"

Paper?

I think when I am on my AR blog talking to consumers it is the same as an ad to me. Interactive ad but if I am talking to consumers and some jerk from CA or IA (or any state)  talks back and is an AR member they are out of line.

Commission would probably not be something I would ever choose to write about online.  There is so much to blog about...

My blog I decide what comments stay, what comments get deleted.   

I don't think we need to buy an over priced, obsolete "paper" ad to talk commission to consumers.  I think Scott is within his rights to talk commissions with consumers on his blog.

 

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When it comes to selling franchises and talking to peers, especially in a "Sponsored Featured Post" it is different but that's between him and AR. I don't know that, that is what he's talked about in the "Sponsored Featured Post."  

Are some of the comments to him on the "Sponsored Featured Post"  talking rates to a colleague?  The commenter from GA is definitely talking rate to a colleague.

The people who stop by to comment

Bottom line he's a member same as anyone else.

Sep 28, 2009 11:33 PM #61
Rainmaker
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Mike Henderson
Your complete source for buying HUD homes - Littleton, CO
HUD Home Hub - 303-949-5848

The moment I can't promote my business here is the moment that I leave.

Sep 29, 2009 05:36 PM #62
Rainmaker
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Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

Me too...

Sep 29, 2009 10:29 PM #63
Rainmaker
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Wayne B. Pruner
Oregon First - Tigard, OR
Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Realtor, GRI

We are all here to advertise. To each other and the public.

Oct 27, 2009 03:57 PM #64
Rainmaker
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Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

I don't understand members trying to intimidate other members... especially across state lines.  I don't understand "a man on a mission" as Tim called him. 

On my WordPress blog I posted some Zillow neighborhood info yesterday and got a comment within minutes from "zillowhater."   ????

Oct 27, 2009 11:47 PM #65
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