FPE -- The 'Bad' Panel?

By
Home Inspector with Inspector Mike #2116

I just ran across this post that I received from Google Alerts: http://www.nachi.org/forum/f19/federal-pacific-definitive-answer-44106/ 

There is no good information there yet (Saturday, October 10th)  but I thought that everyone might want to watch this post.

Hopefully it will produce some good information and facts regarding Federal Pacific Panels.

This is what I received from Google:

Federal Pacific - The definitive answer - InterNACHI Message Board
By jfarsetta
By having insurance companies demand a inspection that identifies the problem. Then the insurance company sends a letter to the homeowner demanding that they upgrade or lose their coverage. ...I hate coming across a FP panel. I called out one and the electrician told the homeowner nothing was wrong with it. So now I'm hesitant. The home owner was not happy having to pay a electrician when according to the electrician nothing was wrong with it. ...
InterNACHI Message Board - http://www.nachi.org/forum/

Until then what do you say about FPE panels?

Comments (8)

Gene Allen
Fathom Realty - Cary, NC
Realty Consultant for Cary Real Estate

I have heard about the FP panels and did some reading but it seems the feds don't have a problem with it and a lot of electricians don't either.  I guess if the electrician says its good and the buyer accepts it, you have done your job by calling it out.

Oct 11, 2009 03:47 AM
Mike (Inspector Mike) Parks
Inspector Mike - Circleville, OH
Inspector Mike
Oct 11, 2009 10:48 AM
Mark H. Roe
BeSure Home Inspection Service - Lancaster, OH
BeSure Home Inspection Service

Mike,

  Thanks for the information. This has always be a gray area when we report on this electrical box. Thanks again and may you have many happy inspections.

Oct 13, 2009 11:41 PM
Erby Crofutt
B4 U Close Home Inspections&Radon Testing (www.b4uclose.com) - Lexington, KY
The Central Kentucky Home Inspector, Lexington KY

Here's some good reading from some very well known experts on the issue.

 IS MY PANEL SAFE - Information All Home Owners Deserve to Know

 

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Oct 19, 2009 01:22 AM
JJ and Suzanne Greive - Seattle Area ASHI Inspections
Home Inspections of Puget Sound - Seattle, WA

That electrician was wrong. 

FPEs have a well documented reputation.  See the quote below from the paperwork I recieved from the Consumer Product Safety Commission, (I made an Freedom of information request a couple years ago).

The CPSC reports conclusion stated "A significant number of the breakers tested are defective and do not provide the required level of protection..." "..the breakers themselves may develop hazardous behavior in the form of severe overheating or self-incapacitation in the on condition. The high failure rate of these breakers indicates serious deficiencies in the FPE quality control procedures, their product testing, and the UL follow-up testing program. The system of checks and balances which is supposed to prevent products with these levels of defect from ever being installed in electrical systems has, in this instance failed."

I have no problem reporting on Federal Pacific Panels, t  I will often say, "Yes you need to replace it, but it is usually less then 1% of the purchase price..."

As inspectors, the trick in my mind is to present repairs in perspective of the purchase price of a home.

Oct 30, 2009 03:52 AM
Vince Santos
StepByStep Home Services LC - Canton, MI
Southeast Michigan Home Inspector

When performing an inspection our first priority is to our client. How may systems have you inspected that were installed by a (insert contractor here) that were just plain wrong or unsafe? It happens all the time. There's plenty of documented proof that these panels have caused problems and it's our job to protect our client by providing them with this information.

Some additional reading.

FPE PDF file

 

Oct 31, 2009 12:07 AM
Glen Kotulek
Home Critique Property Inspections LLC - Austin, TX
Austin Home Inspector, schedule online www.homecritiquepi.com

Good info folks!  Thanks for keeping us informed. 

Dec 28, 2009 11:44 AM
Mike (Inspector Mike) Parks
Inspector Mike - Circleville, OH
Inspector Mike

Glen

We are all here to help each other.

Dec 30, 2009 02:34 AM

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