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I See Crazy People

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Real Estate Agent with AMAX Real Estate NRDS #2000172379

Something about this crazy market is bringing out all the crazy people.  I could write a book on the stories I've amassed just over the past year.  I suppose people will try to find opportunity where they believe it exists.  I've decided to set a few things straight as it pertains to working with me.

Crazy PeopleYou MUST have a real estate license to be entitled to commission.  I received a call last night from a gentleman who lives next door to one of my listings.  He said he has a co-worker that he is going to "make" buy my listing.  A realtor that I know very well lives just across the street from my listing.  He told me that he has always used this realtor, but she has moved now and her home is vacant and he has nobody else to call but me.  Since he cannot use her to handle the transaction, he is going to "broker" it himself and I can just pay HIM half my commission.  Seriously?!?  Ummm.....no.  You must have a real estate license to earn commission.  While I appreciate you introducing me to the buyer, unless you have a license placed with another broker, I CANNOT legally pay you commission.  Next!

 

GreedCan you show us some homes...but we prefer to handle the transaction through the listing agent.  I seriously had one of these calls.  The buyers seriously got angry when I refused to show them homes.  I asked why they thought they needed to work only with the listing agents.  They were forthright enough to tell me that they intended to ask the agent to reduce their commission by half and get a better deal.  My answer?  No.  Not no, but h*ll no.  You really think I am going to take time out of my busy day to show you 20 homes knowing full well that you do not intend to use me?  What's even funnier, do you really think you're going to be saving money by going through the listing agent?  Let me explain this from a listing agent's point of view.  If you want to write an offer on one of my listings, and I actually do agree to lower my commission....whose pocket should that go in?  Yours or the sellers?  If my seller knows I'm throwing money to you, how do you think they will feel about that?  So go ahead and tour listings of homes for sale, but you can avoid mine.  If I reduce my commission, I'm not ashamed to say that money will go to my seller.  They respected my services enough to retain me first.  Next!

 

FraudThe double closing...aka FRAUD.  An agent in my area contacted me recently to let me know that she had an investor who would write an offer on one of my short sales.  The terms of the offer would be as follows:

1.  The offer will be very low.

2.  I must get permission from the owner to allow this agent to take over the negotiations of the short sale.

3.  I must withdraw my listing immediately.

4.  I must obtain permission from my seller to allow this agent to relist the property at a higher price.

She would negotiate with the lender to accept a very low price for the home.  She will then procure another offer from another buyer at the higher listing price.  Both transactions would close the same day.  I will still be paid my full commission on the original listing. 

In other words, you are going to CONVINCE the bank that property is only worth "X".  All the while, you're marketing and securing offers much higher.  How do you think the bank will feel about that when they find out?  This is called talking out of both sides of your mouth and the reason that realtors have such a poor reputation.  I don't choose to participate in perpetuating the poor image you are creating.  There is a term in the legal field called FRAUD.  Don't believe me?  Go ahead...find out for yourself.  :)  But you can stop calling me about my short sales.  It's simply not going to happen.  Next!

I have been blessed to have a wonderful year in real estate in spite of the market.  There are good, true, honest people who need to buy or sell and actually respect and appreciate my services.  My time and energy will be spent on them.

 

Lisa Matykiewicz
United Brokers Group - Gilbert, AZ

It is a crazy time.  This is exactly way the market needs good Real Estate Agents right now.  

Oct 12, 2009 02:17 AM
Wayne Palmer
WNC Dreams Realty - Sylva, NC
Eddie Palmer

Great, Lina!

We must remember that we are just as guilty as the fraudulent person approaching us, IF WE GO ALONG WITH THEIR NONSENSE!  They make jail cells for 2!   At any rate, the one commission earned from sales like these schemes will not significantly add or subtract to the overall earnings of most realtors.  We should be alert as you state, and REFUSE THESE PEOPLE! 

I went to an apartment complex last week, sat down with the manager, stated that I might have an investor interested in purchasing the entire 217 apartment complex, and he said, "I want a 12.5% cut on the deal." Needless to say, I asked if he had a real estate license.  "No, but you can give it to me under the table!," he said.  I politely told him that wasn't legal.  Whereupon we went about the discussion of the property.  These people are everywhere.

 

Oct 12, 2009 02:25 AM
John Mulkey
TheHousingGuru.com - Waleska, GA
Housing Guru

Lina - Sometimes the world just seems to throw us several curve balls just to see if we'll still be ready when the strike is thrown.  Sounds as if you've had more than your share of "curves."

Oct 12, 2009 02:41 AM
Lanora Campbell
NMLS#232975 - Springfield, MO
Ozarks Home Loan Professional

Lina, it still amazes me what people will ask you to do.  They need to be turned into the Board of Realtors when it is a Realtor asking you to do something illegal or fraudulent.  You will be rewarded for doing the right thing in the long run.  Keep up the good work.

Oct 12, 2009 02:42 AM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA

I agree.  We are seeing the same thing in Atlanta.  I have another thought.  Maybe it's drugs.  The questions, the buyers, the sellers, and espeically other agents this year are really something we could write a book about.  The agents that request you remove the listing...are up to no good!

Oct 12, 2009 03:06 AM
Rita Fong
RE/MAX REAL ESTATE TODAY, Executive Broker 901-488-9590 - Marion, AR
Realtor - Marion Arkansas Homes for Sale

Lina, I probably would do it when I first started to work in real estate, now, I have more knowledge and experience, I won't let people use me anymore.  It really amazes me how some people can be that selfish, and "honest" just to get what they want.  Good for you, Lina.

Oct 12, 2009 04:09 AM
Alan Brown
Coldwell Banker Realty - Davenport, FL
34 Years of Real Estate Experience .

It is amazing some of things people ask us to do.

Oct 12, 2009 04:33 AM
Lina Robertson
AMAX Real Estate - Springfield, MO
REALTOR® Serving Springfield, Nixa and Ozark, MO

Lisa - I thought this market had done a good job of weeding out the crazy ones...looks like there's still a few left....and they're attracted to me. 

Eddie - You're so right! As a former trial paralegal, I can tell you, It doesn't matter if we're aware that what we're doing is fraudulent or not...in the eyes of the Courts, we SHOULD have known.  It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this one out.  There was a realtor in Florida who was given 21 years in prison for participating in a straw buyer scam.  She claims she had no idea what the clients were doing was illegal, but the Courts don't care.  She SHOULD have known.

John - I'm getting adept at dodging the curveballs.  LOL

Lanora - we are actually working on a complaint with the Board now.

Jim - You're right...they ARE up to no good.  There are so many other better ways to earn money in our business than to stoop to these practices.

Rita - Thanks, Rita!  You only get burned so many times before you finally learn the lesson.

Alan - Seems like it's happening more and more these days.

Oct 12, 2009 06:01 AM
Michelle Gibson
Hansen Real Estate Group Inc. - Wellington, FL
REALTOR

Lina - I totally agree with you on all points.  I too would give "my commission" to the seller NOT the buyer.  I knew someone who decided to go straight to the listing agent, the deal feel apart, but it ended up selling for $43,000 LESS than what they were under contract for.  Good thing they went directly to the listing agent.....

Oct 12, 2009 08:09 AM
Lina Robertson
AMAX Real Estate - Springfield, MO
REALTOR® Serving Springfield, Nixa and Ozark, MO

Michelle - Haha!  I wonder if the general public will ever truly understand the important of buyer's agency.

Oct 12, 2009 11:57 AM
Gina Tufano
Ask Gina & Company with Pearson Smith Realty - Sterling, VA
Ask Gina & Company, Northern Virginia Real Estate

Lina - GREAT blog. I have undergone conversations on the phone with people trying to cut deals in the most craziest of ways it seems.

I have to agree with Edward, when the market is down, people try to think of the most ridiculous schemes to make and save money. Sounds like you know what your doing though. ;)

Hopefully the craziness will calm down over the next few months. Best of luck with buyers and sellers!

Oct 12, 2009 02:26 PM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

Hi Lina: I laughed all the way through your post because it's so true, and if you don't laugh about these things, you will end up crying. Challenging markets seem to bring out the crooks and shysters and the inept.

But even in normal markets, it's hard to separate the sane from the looneytunes. I suspect that's because real estate is an emotional business for buyers and sellers, and sometimes another side of them pops out during the process. In some ways, they are all a little bit crazy at times.

sacramento agent

Oct 13, 2009 02:57 AM
Marilyn Harrell
Better Homes and Acres - Beaverton, MI
Wixom Lake - Beaverton MI

I can relate to having met up with the unusual ! Thanks for sharing!

Oct 13, 2009 04:42 AM
Eileen Burns 954.483.3912
Trans State Commercial Realty Inc. - Fort Lauderdale, FL
FLorida Real Estate Connector

Hi Linda - it is happening in the Florida market as well. I recently wrote an offer for a golf course home.   The listing sheet indicated who to call for access and this person did not have a business card.  It seems this person was hired as a short sale specialist and not a licensed real estate person.  When the offer was delivered I asked for his business card which he conveniently did not have.  The broker of records chooses not to return any telephone calls nor acknowledge an email communications.  This specialist tells me to change the name of the seller to owner of record....a land trust.  The land trust goes to the bank and gets the bank to accept one price and the land trust does a simultaneously closing with my buyer for a different price.  Land trust gets their 10,000 to 30,000 that belongs to the lender.  The seller gets hit with an additional income tax due on the higher price and we RUN from this deal...fraud

The people approaching us have no respect for our profession and what we do to maintain protection for the public at large.  In this sue me society you would think these bubble brains would recognize we can send them up the river...but alas, we do not have the time and energy to pursue law suits and the grief that it brings into our daily lives.

Oct 13, 2009 05:10 AM
Jennifer Fivelsdal
JFIVE Home Realty LLC | 845-758-6842|162 Deer Run Rd Red Hook NY 12571 - Rhinebeck, NY
Mid Hudson Valley real estate connection

Lina I agree I really don't know what they are thinking these days, and trust me it is not just in your area.

Oct 13, 2009 03:32 PM
Betina Foreman
WJK Realty - Austin, TX
Realtor, C.N.E., with WJK REALTY

This is just nuts! How on earth can this person hold a RE license?!? You can bet with practices like this they won't hold it very long! LOL

;)

 

Oct 14, 2009 02:09 AM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Lina . . . how right you are.  We can feel it and it's palpable.  We thought it would get BETTER?!?

The sharks have been really agitated now, and are very hungry. 

Oct 14, 2009 06:52 AM
Beverly Henson
Sky Realty - Austin, TX

I had a buyer yesterday tell me that "You will work for 4 %...I have done all the research...6% is too much for you."   She said this repeatedly.  I told her to make her best offer and that my commission is paid by the seller and therefore none of her business. She spoke broken English and we had somewhat of a language barrier going on....but the "you work for 4%" came through loud and clear.  How rude. She didn't want to write an offer with me after that, and I KNOW she's shopping another realtor that will, but not on this house.   Stand your ground.

Oct 14, 2009 12:58 PM
Kathryn Acciari
Central One Federal Credit Union - Shrewsbury, MA
Mortgage Loan Originator

Lina, amazing stories.  Good for you for displaying integrity, and a backbone!  Where do these nuts come from?  Keep it up - we need you to keep the profession on the right track.

Oct 14, 2009 01:35 PM
Karen Singbeil
RE/MAX at Mara Lake | Associate Broker | Personal Real Estate Corporation - Sicamous, BC
Sicamous & Mara Lake Luxury Homes & Condo Expert!

I was just telling one of my new realtors today about how all the con artists and opportunists come out in a down market! Point proven thanks Lina. PS I grew up in the Show me state and my wonderful great aunts lived in Mt Grove ;)

Oct 14, 2009 02:39 PM