H1N1 Declared National Emergency ~ HR645 Fema Camps ~ Could There Be Something In Common?

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Two other AR members posted blogs about some very important news related items. One about Protective Detention and one on Fema camps. A couple of other news items might be worth looking at also related to these blogs.

Little things happen in our country that go unnoticed.  One here. One there.  Suddenly they converge at the same junction and you wonder how it all happened.

As early as the FDR administration detention camps were used for issues deemed domestic emergencies and national security.  These camps are not a new concept. 

The remnants of Japanese detention camps can still be found as close to me as West Virginia.  Tucked away in the forest on roads that are carved out and not even paved. They do remind you of pictures you have seen of German concentration camps. 

They are a grim reminder of how far a government is willing to go if they feel threatened from within.

A similar dention camp idea was ramped up during the Bush Administration.  In an archived story Peter Dale Scott a journalist who was following this story, speculates that the “detention centers could be used to detain American citizens if the Bush administration were to declare martial law.” He recalled that during the Reagan administration, National Security Council aide Oliver North organized the Rex-84 “readiness exercise,” which contemplated the Federal Emergency Management Agency rounding up and detaining 400,000 “refugees” in the event of “uncontrolled population movements” over the Mexican border into the U.S.

It is relevant, says Scott, that in 2002 Attorney General John Ashcroft announced his desire to see camps for U.S. citizens deemed to be “enemy combatants.” On February 17, 2006, in a speech to the Council on Foreign Relations, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld spoke of the harm being done to the country’s security, not just by the enemy, but also by what he called “news informers” who needed to be combated in “a contest of wills.”
(source)


Recently President Obama announced his plan for Congress to identify the circumstances under which enemies of our country could be held under "Prolonged Detention" 

Sounds pretty innocuous, however, the exact parameters and the target detainees were not identified.  Not only could it pertain to Gitmo, it pertains to other enemies who could be incarcerated for those crimes they might commit in the future.  Define crime.  Define enemy.

Currently camps are quietly being run by ICE specifically for illegal immigrants. They are located all over the country plus they encompass an additional 325 state and local jails. The stories of deplorable conditions and lack of medical care are an entirely different story.  Where are they located?   (Map)


We had detention centers in the 1940's.  Revised plans in the 1980's.  Plans and actual camps came into existence after 2001 and are currently being run. Why would we need more?

  • In February 9, 2009 a bill introduced by Rep Alcee Hastings (D-Fl)  HR 645 Titled FEMA CAMPS was referred to  The Subcommittee on Terrorism, Unconventional Threats and Capabilities. 


We understand what Terrorism means.

What are UNCONVENTIONAL THREATS AND CAPABILITIES?

Some excerpts from the bill include:

"SEC. 2. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.


  • (a) In General- In accordance with the requirements of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall establish not fewer than 6 national emergency centers on military installations.


  • (b) Purpose of National Emergency Centers- The purpose of a national emergency center shall be to use existing infrastructure--


  • (1) to provide temporary housing, medical, and humanitarian assistance to individuals and families dislocated due to an emergency or major disaster;


  • (2) to provide centralized locations for the purposes of training and ensuring the coordination of Federal, State, and local first responders;


  • (3) to provide centralized locations to improve the coordination of preparedness, response, and recovery efforts of government, private, and not-for-profit entities and faith-based organizations; and


  • (4) to meet other appropriate needs, as determined by the Secretary of Homeland Security.



SEC. 3. DESIGNATION OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS AS NATIONAL EMERGENCY CENTERS.

  • (a) In General- Not later than 60 days after the date of the enactment of this Act, the Secretary of Homeland Security, in consultation with the Secretary of Defense, shall designate not fewer than 6 military installations as sites for the establishment of national emergency centers.


  • (b) Minimum Requirements- A site designated as a national emergency center shall be--


  • (1) capable of meeting for an extended period of time the housing, health, transportation, education, public works, humanitarian and other transition needs of a large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster;"


In addition to the existing detention facilities we have, a new bill is proposed specifically to utilize military bases for "large number of individuals affected by an emergency or major disaster;"

Seems the words Terrorism or Enemy Combatant is not included in the language.  Take a moment and review the bill as proposed. It calls for implementation no later than 60 days after passage. (HR645)


We have seen how swiftly a health care bill has reached critical mass.  How fast could this bill move without significant objections being raised?

What could trigger such a bill being given a green light?  A a perceived threat of a massive terrorist attack, Nuclear bomb, Civil Unrest, Hurricane, Earthquake or Pandemic?

Over the weekend President Obama declared the H1N1 flu a National Emergency.  In part his speech included the following statement:

  • "The national emergency declaration will "allow hospitals and governments on the local level to more rapidly prepare triage sites and procedures to handle any future surge in sick patients," TIME writes. "A hospital in danger of being overrun by H1N1 patients would be allowed to segregate them in a separate site for treatment, which might slow the spread of the disease" (Source)



Almost simultaneously President Obama announces a plan for Prolonged Detention or Preventatvie Detention. He did not propose where these future detainees would be housed or if facilities would be built. 

HR 645 was put into play long before President Obama announced a Prolonged Detention Plan or declared a National Emergency this weekend.  However we knew last year before the election, from health experts that 2009/2010 might see a worldwide H1N1 pandemic.

Could there be any connection?  Might these camps designed to house large numbers of people be planned for pandemic or domestic political incarcerations? 

 

HR 645 introduced in early 2009 and is not earmarked to house terrorists so what is it for?

This is not a political party specific concern.  When the time comes for Marshall Law no one will be interested in your party affiliation when they come to take you to the Fema Camp.

 


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Rainmaker
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Mark and Tana Hunt
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It's my understanding that these have been in the works for a while... Not a comfortable thought....

You're right, if and when they come take you to camp... it wont matter if you are left or right... That's what I have been trying to tell the haters... I would be right there fighting beside them as Americans.. They didn't want to hear that... I couldn't make a connection with them AT ALL on this issue....

Oct 26, 2009 03:28 PM #1
Rainmaker
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Bonnie Vaughan
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Tana,  No matter what we say they find a way to dismiss it as propaganda.  You are a lot kinder than I am.  If they were too unenlightened to fight what was wrong to start with, I'd be afraid to trust their tenacity in a real fight.  They are too easily swayed.

Oct 27, 2009 02:05 AM #2
Rainmaker
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Oooooo, I could go on and on about this juicy subject, but I won't.

Oct 27, 2009 02:44 AM #3
Rainmaker
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Broker Nick
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It looks like we all could be neighbors if Obama and his cronies have their way.

Oct 27, 2009 04:07 AM #4
Rainmaker
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Broker Nick
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Round us all up and throw away the keys. It is not good to dissent against this administration.

Oct 27, 2009 05:46 AM #5
Rainmaker
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Bonnie Vaughan
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OOOOOH Tony you disappoint me.  I would have thought I piqued your interest.  The government is not designed to be a benevolent benefactor.

Oct 27, 2009 06:58 AM #6
Rainmaker
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Bonnie Vaughan
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Nick,  I'm beginning to wonder why we have fallen short on H1N1 vaccine when we knew for over a year it was coming?

Let one town or city overwhelm the medical facilities and see what happens next.  I'm not going any where without my pets.  If it looks like its coming I'll load them up in the car and head out before the storm troopers.

 

Oct 27, 2009 07:03 AM #7
Rainer
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Cheri Smith
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Great Blog Bonnie. As you know, I am getting over the flu (confirmed as type A but not confirmed as swine flu), which escalated into Pneumonia but I'm fine and healing well.

I did not get a flu shot and have no plans of getting one either especiallllllllly the h1n1 shot. One reason being that we (my husband and I) don't believe in getting vaccinations of any kind that have not been around for years and proven to be "safe". This vaccination was thrown together overnight. It was a rush job and neither I nor my children are going to be their guinea pigs.

Reason two is that because of the "emergency" called by Obama, pharmaceutical companies are allowed to bend the rules and so they can use Mercury (Thimerosal) in these shots....and Mercury is not good for the body and especially the BRAIN. I don't need anymore brain cells killed. I will take the flu thank you very much.

My whole family (except my husband) has now had this type a flu (assumed to be the Swine flu by the staff) and we didn't die, we didn't lose any limbs, we just had a couple of miserable weeks as it travelled through our 5 kids and myself. The laundry is days behind and my house is a mess but se la vie.

My brain is wondering what would happen if the govmt said we HAD to get this shot and I refused. Would I then be locked up somewhere to keep society "safe" from me? We may not be at that point now....but I see that in the near future.

This whole H1N1 is hyped up. 1000 deaths is not that alarming. I admit this has been the WORST flu year in MY life....but it was no worse than caring for 3 kids with the chicken pox years ago (they got it from their dad, lol!).

I suggest that NO ONE get this shot. Better to keep washing your hands and avoid people with symptoms and if you have an underlying illness, baby or are pregnant, stay out of public places until it dies down. Learn to watch movies at home via netflix and make homemade popcorn. This too will go away.

For those who wonder how my husband didn't get it......A) he didn't care for the sick children, I did and B) he and I take the same herbal supplements with the exception of one that he takes that I can not take and that is Garlic. He takes a Garlic supplement from the health food store that I can not take because my system rejects garlic in ALL forms. Perhaps Garlic keeps the flu away? Maybe I will blog about that later after I catch  up on some laundry.

Have a good day Bonnie and I will bake you a cake with a lock pick if they lock you up. lol.

 

 

Oct 27, 2009 07:47 AM #8
Rainmaker
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Bonnie Vaughan
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Cheri,  I may need that lock pick.  I'm glad you are feeling better.  I too am avoiding the flu shot.

"My brain is wondering what would happen if the govmt said we HAD to get this shot and I refused. Would I then be locked up somewhere to keep society "safe" from me? We may not be at that point now....but I see that in the near future."

The camp issue is troubling for a number of reasons.  What you raised about the vaccine being one of them.

When Katrina hit - the national guard was finally mobilized and marshall law was declared.  People were forced out of their homes.  They were also forced to give up their guns.

Oct 27, 2009 08:29 AM #9
Rainer
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Cheri Smith
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I know! I saw a video of an old woman being ATTACKED by these men (during Katrina) and I was shocked! She was about as harmless as a 3 year old!

Oct 28, 2009 03:21 AM #10
Rainmaker
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Bonnie Vaughan
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Cheri,  Those men were fellow citizens who had wives and families.  It tells you - there would be no mercy if marshall law were declared.

Oct 28, 2009 04:30 AM #11
Rainmaker
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Bonnie, here is my two cents.  Look at the history and you will connect the dots.  Prescott Bush, George W.'s Grandfather financed Hitler's war machine.  Before this he wanted to oust FDR and set up a fascist dictatorship in the U.S. - Now, his son was in the CIA during the Kennedy assassination and his grandson was President on 9/11.  Eerie coincedences?  This was set in motion a long time ago. 2 political parties, 1 agenda.

Oct 29, 2009 02:35 AM #12
Rainmaker
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Bonnie Vaughan
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Tony,  George H Bush delivered a eulogy for Gerald Ford.  Out of the blue he recommended that based on Ford's exemplary reputation the Warren Commission report should not be re-opened.

I have long been convinced of the Secret Society Kennedy warned of.  1 agenda just needed a believable front man.  He's been groomed for years.

Been working hard on my Kennedy blog - thanks to you - trying to organize it.

Oct 29, 2009 02:44 AM #13
Rainmaker
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I know, I sent you a video.  Did you not get it?

Oct 29, 2009 08:02 AM #14
Rainmaker
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Bonnie Vaughan
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tony,  I got one today.  I had also gotten the one you sent on the Secret Society  Thank you.

Oct 29, 2009 08:10 AM #15
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