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A Petition to AR - In the Hopes That Common Decency Prevails...

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I have seen all kinds of posts on AR that made the hair on the back of my neck stand; heck, I have probably written some that had the same effect on others.  This morning, though, I woke up to the most shameful display of indecency.  The post in question has thankfully been removed in short order - but the impact remains.  It was a petition to have two members of Active Rain removed from this network, ostensibly, in the quest for civility.

Some of you have seen it.  Some of you have even signed it. 

Few things surprise me on here anymore, but I must say I found it strange that some of the signers of this petition were the same people who rallied behind the only member I am aware of who's account on AR was terminated by the staff.  Same people screaming ‘freedom of speech' every time they believe their voices are being silenced.  Some of these folks, while we always disagreed, I even respected, until now.  That includes the author of the post.

Call me old-fashioned, but I have this fundamental belief that there can be no civility without decency; I believe also that when one gets the hang of their very first TV remote or car radio, they learn to change the channel, should programming disagree with their preferences.  Few of us would pick up the phone and scream bloody murder at the movie director for having disliked it.  Fewer still would try to get the director or the actors fired for it.

So here we are, supposedly all adult enough to drive, drink and BLOG.  For some of us, this network brought business. For others, we are a few friends richer for having joined.  A few real or virtual friends who get us is no small feat either.

But I think it's safe to assume that those of us who contribute content to AR on a regular basis have invested quite a bit of time, energy and talent.  It's safe to assume that we have established an emotional connection to people in the groups we post to.  It's probably safe to assume that we all CARE if we stay or go, for our own reasons.

So here is my little petition to AR:  let us assume that we are, indeed, adults, and do not reward those who click the "FLAG" button at the slightest provocation or incite the community to have members they dislike banished.  Let's all learn to just change the channel, if we object to a specific poster's personality or opinion.  Last I checked, no one is holding a proverbial gun to any of our craniums and forcing us to read that which offends us.  And for those who are easily offended, grow thicker skin or talk about puppies.  Anything else will inevitably give you heartburn, and make those of us who take the whole freedom of expression thing rather seriously not want to engage in conversation with you on any topic. 

Lastly, while I agree that personal insults of any kind have no place on this platform, or any other for that matter, I, for one, would hate to see our ability to speak freely on subjects that we are passionate about stifled.  I have seen quite a few posters here proclaim that as a right.  Most rights come with responsibilities.  So by all means, delete comments that offend you, voice your dissent, if you so choose, but grow up some.  What you believe is your right to free expression is the same right by which any one of us can disagree with you, and it has to remain that way.  Tolerance for opinions that are contrary to your own is the gold in freedom of expression's currency.  It is also a fundamental mark of honor and decency. 

Let's all do the honorable thing and lay off the ‘flags', because at the end of the day, on the receiving end of you clicking that button is a human being you probably don't know.  Because one day that human being can be you... And lastly, because it makes you a vindictive bully in the eyes of those who matter - your peers.

Comments(117)

Linda Mae Croom
Topock, AZ
(928) 768-3040

Paul,

My Heart, My Tears and my Prayers go out to you and your wife....There is No other tragedy as great as the loss of a child...

May God Bless you both with His peace  as you continue to grieve......

Nov 07, 2009 06:23 PM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Late to these comments, my apologies.

Ted - your words of wisdom, if heeded, could bring us back to a place far removed from the sandbox it has become.  Thank you for always having the courage and decency to be on the side of basic fairness, and having the wisdom and patience to reason with the unreasonable. 

My Dear Paul - right you are, on all counts... I am finding myself venturing into these waters less and less, as too often I find myself smelling of swamp gas and gasping for air.  I am glad for the very few people I met here that I genuinely care about.  The few whose joys and pains I willingly share in.  I am glad for you, my friend.  Hugs-

Linda - well said.

All - let the sleeping dogs lie...

Nov 08, 2009 03:32 AM
Bob Cumiskey
A1 Connection Realty, Inc. - Sun City Center, FL
US Army Retired, Your Sun City Center, Florida ~ Realtor

Inna, Congratulations on a well well post, and a very well controlled environment.  I commend you also for pulling away from the pack and becoming once again your own person. 

I look forward to some good discussions and debates with you in the future.  We don't always have to agree on topics, but just because we don't agree, doesn't mean we can't act civil to one another.

Nov 09, 2009 12:31 AM
Yolanda Hoversten
Self Employed - O'Fallon, IL
Referrals for O’Fallon, IL & the Metro East

Paul Slaybaugh - I'm sorry for your loss, please accept my condolences. 

Nov 09, 2009 01:09 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Bob - As far as I know, I've always been my own person:-)  Thanks you for dropping by... The environment is the doing of the commenters, though.

 

Nov 09, 2009 01:48 AM
James Monastero
Texana Bank - Fuquay Varina, NC
The Matchmaker

Jeez, sorry I missed all this. It does seem that not much has changed in the last few months. Great post Inna, I wish people were more able to find the common ground we share instead of arguing over differences. We know who is responsible for that, and it really isn't anyone on this site. 

 

Divided we fall.

Nov 09, 2009 10:24 PM
James Monastero
Texana Bank - Fuquay Varina, NC
The Matchmaker

Jeez, sorry I missed all this. It does seem that not much has changed in the last few months. Great post Inna, I wish people were more able to find the common ground we share instead of arguing over differences. We know who is responsible for that, and it really isn't anyone on this site. 

 

Divided we fall.

Nov 09, 2009 10:24 PM
Susan Mangigian
RE/MAX Preferred - West Chester, PA
Chester & Delaware County Homes, Delaware and Ches

Hi beautiful Inna!  I missed all the commotion and I am glad.  I have no taste for the fight anymore.  You can't teach common decency if it's not there and you can't teach common sense.  I'm with Paul.  We all have real issues in our lives that command our attention and this trivial political sniping doesn't do anyone any good.  I'm trying to find common ground or I am not commenting.  I ventured over to someones post and disagreed with everything in it but one thing.  So I commented on the one thing I found that I could say nicely.  It worked for me.  xxoo to you my friend.

Nov 16, 2009 01:38 PM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Jen - I am late to this, so my apologies...  Thank you for your right-on comment.  We do know, indeed, who is responsible, don't we... I just hope we are not irrevocably ruined as a people in the end.  I hope we find that bit of grace and soon.

My Susan - thank you dahling.  It's a good thing you missed it, truly.  In the end, we gain nothing with the pettiness, and do lose ourselves in the process.  MWA-

Nov 18, 2009 05:04 AM
John MacArthur
Century 21 Redwood - Washington, DC
Licensed Maryland/DC Realtor, Metro DC Homes

wow...........lots of words floating out on the interweb.........it just doesn't matter. spent too much time pouring over this............Inna......god love ya.........you have to let sleeping dogs lie......you continue to cast pearls before swine............there are some people that are just down right nasty...they can't help it...they are suffering from personalty disorders that are only exposed here there and anywhere else they can share bile..................it just doesn't matter.......

no.......the only information important here...........Paul lost a child

the rest is a jumble of self grandiose poppycock

Nov 22, 2009 03:25 PM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

J-Mac, my dear, what I wouldn't give to have a bit of your wisdom now, rather than later, but something tells me I'll have to earn it by casting those proverbial pearls before swine for some time to come, and smacking my undersized cranium into titanium walls... but learn it I will...

You are right, of course - I do know it, viscerally... I am just not there yet...

How are you, John?

Nov 22, 2009 04:29 PM
Katerina Gasset
The Gasset Group & Get It Done For Me Virtual Services - Provo, UT
Amplify Your Real Estate & Life Dreams!

Inna- I believe in Freedom of Speech. I believe in changing the channel. I believe so much for freedom of speech that I will stand next to someone I totally am on opposing sides of in order that they may exercise their free speech just as I would stand firmly next to anyone who is being persecuted because of their religion. Even if it is hateful speech they still have the right to say what they want to say as long as they are not saying to kill someone or cause violence to someone. When we sensor what is hate and what is not; it becomes subjective and one party will be persecuted and another protected. That is not freedom. I don't want to fear that what I want to say is going to end up in an accusation and trial of what I meant to say or not or what I thought to say and did or did not for then it becomes not just suppression of freedom of speech but also freedom of thought. That is not a road any of us should want to go down. Katerina

Nov 22, 2009 06:11 PM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Katerina - you know you and I hardly ever agree on anything, less the Free Speech issues.  I would be curious to know how you feel about where to draw that line though between free speech and speech that can pose actual danger to a person...  Take a look at my last blog - I really would like your thoughts on that. :-)

Nov 23, 2009 08:22 AM
Chris Brunner
GreatFX Printing - Springfield, MO
GreatFX Printing

After receiving my first non-paying member flame yesterday a colleague mentioned that most people on AR simply delete the flames.  My response was that in the name of freedom of speech I won't delete someone's opinion so long as they offer the following things:

1) Something halfway constructive.  A one sentence post saying I suck doesn't cut it.  The flamer yesterday actually somewhat formulated his point, although he had nothing to show for his theories.

2) A name... even if the person is unregistered, they must have a name else they will get deleted.

If they are a paying member, more power to them to say whatever they want.  Hopefully they understand that they WILL get a response from me probably rebutting their rant or otherwise dismantling their point if it has no merit.

My policy on this may change in the future, to delete any flame that is not from a registered member.

Nov 30, 2009 06:10 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Chris - I don't delete comments, as a general rule, no matter what the AR status of the commenter is.  A lot of us here are not payin members - we got in to a certain number of points before AR started charging members, so our accounts (mine included) got grandfathered in.

If someone has something to say, whether or not they pay for their membership here, they are certainly free to do so on my blogs, and I will always respond.  Some choose to remain anonymous for their own reasons, and don't necessarilly think it should matter, after all, slapping a fake name on a comment is no better. 

To an extent that we are never face to face - we are all somewhat anonymous, hence arguments when they do errupt are less civil that would happen over a cup of coffee.  :-)

The mild suggestion to some with thin skins who comment and dwell in the political groups on here to just delete offensive comments came from only one place: it seems that for some on here the only alternative to deleting comments is to harrass the management of AR into removing other members' accounts (some paying, mind you) or to incite the AR community to do the same.  For those whose tolerance is so shallow as to engage in this type of behaviour, I'd rather they hit the delete key, or changed the channel.

Few folks have lost their accounts, and I don't see anyone on here the better for it.

Thanks for your commnet.

Nov 30, 2009 07:09 AM
Robert L. Brown
www.mrbrownsellsgr.com - Grand Rapids, MI
Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Mic

What about "agreeing to disagree"? It's that easy. People need to grow up or get out.

Dec 17, 2009 08:35 AM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Robert - true that.:-)

Dec 17, 2009 08:47 AM
Robert L. Brown
www.mrbrownsellsgr.com - Grand Rapids, MI
Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Mic

My mother has said on more then one occasion"misery likes company". There are some miserable people out there who need company to keep afloat in thier mind. I choose to not participate.

Dec 28, 2009 08:45 AM
Will Nesbitt
Nesbitt Realty at Condo Alexandria - Alexandria, VA
Nesbitt Realty is a family-run brokerage.

I've never flagged a post, but I've seen some that should have been flagged.

Dec 28, 2009 11:22 PM
Inna Hardison
ha media group - Orlando, FL
Wordpress for Real Estate & Design, Print HaMedia Group

Robert - i am not sure it's misery in this case, but that might have something to do with it...

Will - i can' t imagine flagging anything but spam.

Jan 03, 2010 05:21 AM