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First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit: Will The Winter Affect It's Impact?

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Real Estate Agent with Kimberly Howell Properties (210) 646-HOME

Please note, as of this recording, the First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit extension has not been passed.  This video and post is based on the presumption that the tax credit has been extended for the purpose of the ideas expressed in the video and the conversation it seeks to create.

What if the First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit is extended to April 30th?

It all started with a conversation with Jay Thompson the other day during the rash of tweets claiming the First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit had been extended.  If you read my blog regularly, you know my thoughts on that.  I had called Jay because I needed a sympathetic ear for a few minutes to rant about how I felt as I saw all that misinformation.

Let's put that aside for a moment.  Let's pretend the tax credit as you read this is passed and extended (it may be if you read this late enough in the week - that remains to be seen).  Assuming it is now extended to April 30th, I got to thinking about the impact of it through the winter months.  When they originally announced the new $8,000 tax credit (as opposed to the old re-payable $7,500 tax credit), it took quite some time for it really to have much an affect.  In fact, it wasn't until the summer months that you really started to hear agents saying how great it was.  Up until then, it seemed we were all telling people how great it was, but we weren't seeing the business because of it.

So what do you think?

I'm curious to hear from as many different markets as possible.  You're the local market expert and probably have a better feel for the pulse than any economist.  I want to hear about how it will affect your market.  I want your thoughts; not quotes from the government, NAR, or the economists on TV.  I think it could be very interesting to hear what people are seeing in their part of the world.

Angela Niece
REMAX Results - Eden Prairie, MN

Not sure about Texas but Winter impacts real estate in Minnesota but anything will help

Nov 04, 2009 12:15 PM
Steve Shatsky
Dallas, TX

Hi Matt... I am usually busy at year end and early in the year, so I don't know that the tax credit will have much impact on my business. 

Nov 04, 2009 01:18 PM
Kay Van Kampen
RE/MAX Broker, RE/MAX - Springfield, MO
Realtor®, Springfield Mo Real Estate

Our market slows down when the weather turns cold.  I'm hoping that this winter is different.  We'll find out soon.

Nov 04, 2009 01:19 PM
Shirley Parks
Sands Realty 210-414-0966 - San Antonio, TX
Broker, 210-414-0966, San Antonio TX Real Estate

Good content, good video with minimal use of hand gestures visible.  :o)

Nov 04, 2009 01:22 PM
Mark Hall
Realty One Group Cascadia - Vancouver, WA
Homes for Sale Vancouver Washington

We have a bit of rain here in Washington. Everyone claims that homes don't sell during the winter. My winter months are usually some of the busiest times of year for me. The market is what you make it.

Nov 04, 2009 01:40 PM
Jim Crawford
Long & Foster - Fredericksburg, VA
Jim Crawford Broker Associate Fredericksburg VA

It will be interesting to see.  Some major economists said that they have exhausted the pool of first time home buyers, especially with rising unemployment.

Nov 04, 2009 04:22 PM
Matt Stigliano
Kimberly Howell Properties (210) 646-HOME - San Antonio, TX

I'm also curious about how the "move-up" part of the tax credit would work.  If we do get a swell of move-up buyers, will we just create more entry-level inventory (a big part of what we were trying to clear out)?  The theory of it will only work if both first time/entry level buyers and move-up buyers perform at the same rates.

Nov 04, 2009 10:29 PM
SarahGray Lamm
Allen Tate Realtors Chapel Hill, NC 919-819-8199 - Chapel Hill, NC
Realtor - 100K Hours of NC Real Estate Experience

Hi Matt! I wrote a post not too long ago about the tax credit being a cherry, not a carrot. I believe they will extend something related to the credit (although we have all seen the "expected" become the "unexpected" where congress is concerned) and I think the mere discussion is simply icing the already slow holiday period. Buyers still need to be qualified, have jobs and a downpayment as well as a decent credit score. If they are all that then why in the world wouldn't they wait til Feb or Mar when sellers will be really ready to deal? So be it. My buyers get my advice based on what THEY need for THEIR particular situation..if they can wait and want to, I'm cool with that. If they cannot, we will move forward with low interest rates and skillful negotiating, regardless of whatever Congress has up its sleeve!

Nov 04, 2009 10:45 PM
Team Honeycutt
Allen Tate - Concord, NC

I can't tell if it is going to pass or not and if it does what is the impact going to be?? I quess anything is better than nothing.

shelton

Nov 05, 2009 01:29 AM
Matt Stigliano
Kimberly Howell Properties (210) 646-HOME - San Antonio, TX

UPDATE:  Ok, so the amendment is now passed and it's real.  The tax credit is legit and happening.  This is actually only the first of my questions.  I've been doing some thinking and talking with others and I will be asking more of all of you in the coming week about the possible ramifications of the extension and expansion.

Joseph - Places like Minnesota were exactly what I had in mind.  I've been to Minnesota in the winter.  You couldn't drag me out of the house during winter up there.

Nov 07, 2009 12:28 AM
Don Rogers
Keller Williams Realty Chesterfield - O'Fallon, MO
Realtor, Broker, CDPE, GRI, OnullFallon MO & St Charles County MO homes

Matt,

I would think that it would be better served it it would start somewhere in the early Spring.  If it was to induce movement during the winter slow down I am not to sure it will do it.  The second part of your question will it help sellers in a move up situation, maybe but I still have the concern of buyers out in force during the winter months.

Just saying........

Nov 07, 2009 12:47 AM
John J. Woods
Big Dog Press, LLC - Winder, GA
Going where no man has gone before - wouldn't you?

Probably not an appropriate response to your question, as I am not a realtor, but now that Congress is considering extending the FTHBC AND offering a credit as well to those who are NOT FTHBs, what is the potential effect on the 'big picture' (the economy, the deficit, inflation, etc.) when everybody who is 'active', one way or another, in real estate is subsidized by the stable taxpayers who are maintaining their income levels and repaying their obligations as per their agreements?  These 'stimulae', 'tax credits', and other 'incentives' have to be paid for by...someone!  'We' (our representatives) are doing nothing more than crafting programs to make sure that we have debt that will be carried over into the next generation(s?).  The 'free market' cannot correct itself if the government (us?) owns everything big and 'holds the paper' on everything else -- essentially eliminating the 'free market'.

 

Nov 07, 2009 03:00 AM
Bob Willis
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices California Properties - Orange, CA
Orange County & L.A. County Real Estate Agent

Even here, in sunny Southern California, the market slows down during the holidays.  However, the weather is not much of an issue.  The slowdown is more related to people being busy, preparing for Thanksgiving and Christmas get togethers, shopping and reconnecting with old friends.  I would expect the tax credit to have some impact, but not a lot.  The addition of move up buyers may have more impact than first time buyers.  Now they see something in it for themselves.

Nov 07, 2009 03:11 AM
Matt Stigliano
Kimberly Howell Properties (210) 646-HOME - San Antonio, TX

John - There are plenty of agents out there who wish it would go away.  I'm one of them.  I wrote about it not too long ago, "First Time Home Buyer Tax Credit - So Many Opinions: What To Do About It?"  Our new normal of controlling the market worries me.  What happens when the incentives go away?

Bob - The holidays play a big role in addition to the weather.  I actually closed on my current home 3 days before Christmas.  I was an oddity (you should have seen the title company's surprise that I was there at that date).

Nov 07, 2009 03:21 AM
Dana Voelzke
loanDepot (203) 733-9408 - Bethel, CT
Loan Officer/ First time home buyer specialist

Hi Matt,

The tax credit extension eliminates pressure from deals inked months ago that are awaiting short sale approval. It takes timing pressure off some regular deals too (move up buyers, etc.) that really need more than a 30 day escrow period.

Our spring market really starts after the superbowl. The good news is that buyers can wait over the winter, start looking for a deal in late February/March, and get contracts signed by April since they have until July 1st to close.

I would expect an above average number of buyers over the winter because of the credit, especially for buyers who do not have school age children. NAR research indicates that 60% of buyers now have no children at home.

 

Nov 07, 2009 05:20 AM