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Will the Realtors® Property Resource (RPR) drive up the costs of referrals?

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Real Estate Agent with Kimberly Howell Properties (210) 646-HOME

A stack of coins on a stark white background.The Realtors® Property Resource is coming.

If you have no idea what I'm talking about, let's get you up to speed first.  Check out these articles (and the articles they reference) for some great information about the Realtors® Property Resource (RPR) and what it potentially means to your business.  You might want to grab a few extra cups of coffee before you click - this is pretty heavy stuff and the analysis and information might require some serious caffeine.

Breaking News: NAR/RPR + Cyberhomes = written by Jim Duncan

The Coming Civil War in Real Estate: The RPR Saga Begins written by Rob Hahn

Feeling up to speed now?

(You're not alone if you feel a bit bombarded with a lot of information in one go.  The RPR is big stuff and until it's fully released to be toyed with, I think I'll wait to truly pass judgment on it.)

RPR and your referral network.

We all strive to build a healthy referral network of Realtors® across the country.  We make friends, comment on their blogs, chat with them about the latest issues...much like our clients getting to know us, we want these agents to trust us enough with their clients who are moving to our market areas.

Referrals are big business.  There is a reason ActiveRain has a referral network link on "Your Home."  I've seen referral fees swing from free to 50% (several ActiveRain referrals that I've seen come through the wire have been at 50% - no thanks).  From what I've seen the typical amount is closer to 20-30% for a referring agent.

So how does the Realtor® Property Resource affect referrals?

It's just a theory of mine, but let's look at an example.  I used to live in Philadelphia, PA.  Since coming to ActiveRain, I've become friends with the Somers Team, Christopher and Stephanie, in Philadelphia.  We often comment on each others blogs (they better comment on this one!) and I love talking to them because a) they're smart Realtors® and b) they remind me of my former home and the places I used to go in the city.  I would gladly refer business to the two of them if a client in San Antonio wanted to move to Philadelphia.  I would feel safe in knowing they'd do the best for my clients.  That's what referrals are built on.

Let's say I have a San Antonio-based client that wants to move to Philadelphia.  "Great," I tell them, "I'm from there and know some excellent agents that work in that specific neighborhood.  Let me give them a call and have you speak with them."  The connection is made and my client loves Christopher and Stephanie.  We've got a referral on our hands.  I speak with Chris and he agrees to pay me 25% when my client closes their transaction.  We sign a referral agreement and everything works out wonderfully.  The Somers search their local MLS for properties matching my client's needs, negotiate the contract, and handle the closing.  I get a check for 25% from Chris and everyone is happy, including my client who received excellent care from The Somers Team.

* As a side note I would like to add that I have a specific policy of who I send referrals to and how much I would ask as a referral fee.  All the numbers in this article are just there for arguments sake.  I would work out any arrangements personally between myself and The Somers Team and this is no way implies that I feel Chris owes me 25% of anything.

So there are three basic (overly-simplified for the sake of this example) steps to what Christopher and Stephanie did for my client:

  • Find them a list of properties via their MLS
  • Make an offer on a home and negotiate the contract
  • Take the contract through to a successful closing

But wait...thanks to the Realtors® Property Resource (RPR) I can eliminate one of these three.  With my client still in San Antonio, we can begin compiling a list of homes that they would like to see.  Chris doesn't need to search his MLS for my client.  In addition, I can provide my client with all sorts of data on the Philadelphia market and more specifically the neighborhood they are interested in.  My client comes to Chris well informed and ready to make an offer.

In the past, we were paid referrals almost as a "thank you" more than anything else.  We didn't do a ton of work to get that referral fee, just picked up the phone and called on one of our trusted friends (you do know the people you're sending referrals to I would hope).  Now, with the Realtors® Property Resource, we can do some of the work before we even pick up the phone to speak with the local agent we're going to refer to.

So, following that logic, if I did little in the past and got paid 25% from Christopher and Stephanie, now that I've done part of the work for them, can't I then command a larger percentage referral fee?  Perhaps I should charge them 40% from now on.  Maybe even 50%.

Of course, I don't agree to that logic, but I bet plenty will.  The "if I'm doing the work, I deserve a bigger cut" mentality will appear in no time after RPR is launched.  We're all looking for ways to make more money, so why not right here under our noses?

My thinking follows more along the lines of yes, I will do research for my soon to be out of state client.  Yes, I will pull properties  from the Realtors® Property Resource for them to get a better understanding of their new local neighborhoods.  Yes, I will refer that client to someone who I have built a trusting relationship with.  No, I will not ask for a larger referral fee than I would have in the first place.  Sure, I've done some more work than I used to, but the fact remains that the agent I referred the business to is a local expert and I am not.

I value the abilities of the Realtors® I refer to and asking them for a higher referral fee just because I ran some property searches (admit it, searching for property is pretty easy - it's getting down to the right house for the client that takes a bit more work) seems like a ridiculous idea.  I won't let greed rule the day when it comes to the Realtors® Property Resource (RPR), but will use it to help clients be prepared for their possible move to a new location.

Stay tuned for more news on the Realtors® Property Resource as it becomes available.  I am chomping at the bit to get my hands on it and mess around with it.  Hear that NAR?  I'm ready for some demo time.

photo courtesy of Shot_by_Cam

Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate

I heard about it this week. Haven't had time to research it.

I'm sure it will be good in some aspects and abused in others.

I will pass judgement the first time I get hit with a a 40%+ referral fee. LOL

Now I usually (if I can find one) refer Activerain members. Honestly I am not going to micro manage a referral or do any homework other than finding a good Agent I trust.

Nov 07, 2009 12:33 PM
James Malanowski
theJEMgroup.com (DRE #01373117) - Palmdale, CA
REO Broker, Palmdale, Lancaster, Rosamond, CA

Since there are already agents that try and micro-manage out of their local area, I don't think much will change on that respect.  It just gives those that already do it one more excuse to butt in.  Hell, I can pull tax records and comps through my title company's web site and Zillow for all that matters - I just don't play that on a referral, anyway.

The only party with a down side on this deal is the MLS from what I can see.  I know, given their history, my local MLS will probably fight this tooth and nail.  I, for one, would bail from the MLS if they do and the RPR is all is says it's going to be.

One thing's for sure, this will be a game-changer and definately an interesting thing to watch.

Nov 07, 2009 02:43 PM
Candice A. Donofrio
Next Wave RE Investments LLC Bullhead City AZ Commercial RE Broker - Fort Mohave, AZ
928-201-4BHC (4242) call/text

Matt, this is a nice post about just one of the implications of a major change that could take place in our industry as a result of an RPR...

As I posted on Rob's post about it, I'm watching with interest as well as a touch of skepticism.

I refer to agents in our region but not my local area (we have a Regional MLS) I don't pull listings for the client, even though I absolutely could.

The reason is along the same lines as those I welcome but do not fear RPR:

I do not service that area and have not taken the time to learn the very unique 'tribal customs' that go with localities. Leaving that to the area experts.

Those quirks and specialized bits of info will never be accurately reported by Z, Cyberhomes or RPR et al...

So agents referring business to my office will keep it real fee-wise, or send their referrals elsewhere. As it has always been.

I'm not worried about the latter.

Nov 08, 2009 05:13 AM
The Somers Team
The Somers Team at KW Philadelphia - Philadelphia, PA
Delivering Real Estate Happiness

Matt- Thanks for the mention and it is an honor to be part of your referral network.  The same would be the case obviously with folks from here looking to buy or sell in your market !  I have a seller that contacted me from Arizona needing to do a short sale (found my blog) and I referred him to an agent on Active Rain in my network.  We worked something out and knock on wood, that deal should settle in the next month or so.  Further, in the last year or two, Stephanie and I have received numerous referrals (from agents that found us on Active Rain or our website or remax.com) that has really worked out.  This Realtors Property Resource is quite interesting and fascinating !  Still, if I were to refer a buyer to another city, I do not think I would want to do the searching since I was not familiar with the area.  But I can see your point that many agents may want to do that.  I guess time will tell in terms of how it plays out ! ~ Chris

 

 

Nov 08, 2009 08:08 AM
Susie Blackmon
Ocala, FL
Ocala, Horses, Western Wear, Horse Farms, Marketing

The RPR blogs have kept me sidetracked over the weekend... very interesting. And your take adds another facet. I refer most of my Buyer business because of the time involved with my websites, etc., and most importantly, I've only lived here for close to 3 years, with part of that time taken up with licensing, etc. I'm not sure how the referrals will evolve, if at all yet, but look forward to reading your posts in this regard. I've never gotten business from any brokerages I have worked with; it has all come from my own website, for what it's worth. Thanks!

Nov 09, 2009 12:49 AM
Brian Lee Burke
Kenna Real Estate - Lone Tree, CO
Broker & Advising Expert-Kenna Luxury Real Estate

Matt - I read about this from 1000Watt Consulting blog when I was feeling really blah can I really couldn't wrap my brain around it. I didn't even think about the referral aspect of it. My bigger concern at this point with limited info is that will we - the agents end up somehow paying for it -eventhought it's not supposed to cost us. I'm all for all the data, maps, graphs etc. but if the data to begin with is less than good (local MLSs) how good is the data really going to be? Getting off track here. I'll have to look into this more, I'm sure we'll be buzzing about this for a while. ~Rita

Nov 09, 2009 01:03 AM
Matt Stigliano
Kimberly Howell Properties (210) 646-HOME - San Antonio, TX

My intent with this post was just to start the thinking process of the good and bad of the idea of the Realtors® Property Resource.  So far, I'm a fan of the concept, but I will be very interested to get a hands on feel for it.  I'm working on a post now about it and what I think it means for our future (not just in terms of MLS/property info).

Nov 09, 2009 01:22 AM
Dan and Amy Schuman
Howard Hanna Real Estate Services - Solon, OH
Luxury Home Specialists

Matt, I just wanted to come back to this post to thank you again for bringing up the RPR. How it plays out will be interesting, but most important right now is for us as agents to be aware of it, and thanks to you we are now informed.

dan

Nov 09, 2009 10:55 PM
Robin Rogers
Robin Rogers, Silverbridge Realty, San Antonio, Texas - San Antonio, TX
CRS, TRC, MRP - Real Estate Investment Adviser

Thanks, Matt! I will keep tabs on this new development now that you've brought it to my attention. And I agree with Shirley--you're a great writer.

Cheers,

Robin

Nov 10, 2009 06:52 AM
Anonymous
Patrick Healy

Matt,

I think a bunch of people have summed it up pretty well but I wanted to add my two cents.  I am a firm believer that you don't find the house until you find the area you want the house to be in.  For that reason I think you are best serving your client by NOT looking for the homes before you refer them to a local expert.  What looks good on paper (area-wise) is not always the place you pick.  I don't have any numbers on this but I would venture to say that a good majority of folks have an initial idea of where they want to live that is quickly changed due to certain factors (crime, schools, commutability) and they wind up in a different area. 

Searching for home before the area is not a good mve IMHO and that decision should be made first.  The listings will follow.  Finding that area is part of the local experts job and, again IMHO, is the biggest value they bring to the table followed closely by their ability to negotiate the deal.  There are very few listings a Realtor can present to a prospective buyer that they cannot find themselves these days.  Their strength is in their local expertise and personal relationships.

Patrick
@patrickhealy

Nov 11, 2009 05:52 AM
#23
Anonymous
Greg Barnhouse

Matt,

I like your views here on RPR. I too, read Rob Hahn's post on the "Civil War" he believes RPR is stirring up. It will be interesting to see how this all unfolds. But, it does look there is some really intersting and improved technology that is on its way. I am looking forward to see the benefits, and potential impact on MLS's and large brokerages.

Thanks for the great thought provoking views.

Greg

@gbarnhouse

Nov 12, 2009 02:13 PM
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Melinda (Mel) Peterson
Grants Pass, OR - Bend, OR
The Savvy Broker - ABR, CRS

Matt ~ Maybe I am missing the buzz here.  Sounds like a new and improved Zillow to me, with a bit more specificity to accuracy and numbers.  Curious to know what new bells and whistles they are providing, and at what cost?  Realtor.com has ridiculous fees, and they are supposed to be our NAR-based friend.  Perhaps this is a Johnny Come Lately attempt at getting more subscribers for a price!  I sure hope not!  Waiting for good news...

Nov 15, 2009 04:31 AM
Matt Stigliano
Kimberly Howell Properties (210) 646-HOME - San Antonio, TX

I think we'll be hearing a lot more on various blogs this week as people return from the NAR Convention in San Diego.  I'll keep my eyes out and see what kind of reports I can dig up.  Should be interesting.

Melinda - The RPR is meant to be a free resource to Realtors®.  It is not a public-facing site like Realtor.com.  They are two very separate entities.

Nov 15, 2009 10:49 PM
Dave Sulvetta
Dave Sulvetta, eXp Connection, Gloucester County Realtor - Gloucester Twp, NJ
Realtor

The little i know about this.. (and that is very little, but i will learn more), im not certain I like this...someone in their infinite wisdom may offer to make this public information...

 

On the good side... I really dont like my MLS...maybe they'll stop with their ridiculous fees.

Nov 16, 2009 01:25 AM
Gayle Causey
formerly with Keller Williams Realty Parishwide Partners - Monroe, LA

The RPR looks like an excellent tool to position ourselves as the LOCAL EXPERT! You know it will happen--some of us will use it to our advantage and some will never even go to the sight because they know it all already. I say "Bring it on!" I can't wait to add all this data to my arsenal!

 

Nov 16, 2009 03:31 AM
Joseph Catalano
Joseph A.DelForno Inc. - Jersey City, NJ

Thanks Matt,this is very useful info,I just recieved a link to your blog from my email updates,and I want to repeat this is very useful info.

Nov 17, 2009 01:45 AM
Jim Straughan
Aros Realty Ltd Brokerage - London, ON
Broker of Record London Ont Realtor o

I wonder if the eventual outcome would be similar to what has happened here in Canada. With our competition bureau demanding public access to a realtor driven system i.e. mls.ca etc.

In simple terms if you create a huge data base and make the public and govt aware of it do not be surprised if they want access. You pay they play.

Paint a big enough target and someone will take a shot at it.

As others have commented if google gets access to a complete data base of homes for sale we are much less relevant to the consumer.Google and others may not bother to create such a data base ,but once it exits, its perhaps a different storey .

Rather than trying to compete or going national it makes more sense to me stay relevant and local.

 

Jim Straughan Sales Representative

Realty Executives Elite Ltd.Brokerage 

London & Middlesex Real Estate

Nov 17, 2009 02:41 AM
Mike Henderson
Your complete source for buying HUD homes - Littleton, CO
HUD Home Hub - 303-949-5848

Real nice post.  I came here from Claudette Miller's blog.  I have a ton of comments and thoughts, but thought I would get educated first.  It was nice seeing you at Virtual Rebar Camp today.

Nov 17, 2009 05:09 PM
Margaret Mitchell
Coldwell Banker Yorke Realty - York, ME
Seacoast Maine & NH Real Estate

I, too, came off Claudette's post.  However, I really enjoyed the discussion on referrals.  There are some relo companies now that ask for 39% referral.  Outrageous.

Nov 17, 2009 09:29 PM
Carla Muss-Jacobs, RETIRED
RETIRED / State License is Inactive - Portland, OR

Rob is right . . . civil war indeed.

Dec 13, 2009 05:55 AM