I met with an investor client for the first time yesterday afternoon after spending a short time on the phone with him, after he found me through my Internet presence (can't be sure, but I think it was from here- ActiveRain).
The REO property he had definitely wanted to see was a newer 4 bedroom home listed in the mid $140's. Unfortunately for him it went into escrow on Friday. Good for me, because it just reinforced what I told him during the week - that good house sell very quickly in this market.
Once we got together, we went over 7 homes that I had picked out, researched and mapped a tour of. As we sat in the office, I realized that he has been going through an hands-on training program presented by a popular TV personality that is making a lot of money flipping homes.
It seems there is a formula for the homes the students are bird-dogging to find that will allow them to pick up homes for 50% to 60% of market value. Of course for it to be a good deal, a popular website that focuses on foreclosures must give it and the area all ‘green arrow'.
I explained it's not that we don't get an occasional deal or two like that in Hemet - San Jacinto. The problem he will find is when they happen, usually the agent of agents close friend/client will have first shot at it and rarely will it ever hit the MLS, as all REO Listing agents are doing good business with Investor Clients.
I then had my conversation about flipping equals cash flow and holding generates true wealth. Now this gentleman has some cash and he has excellent credit - so these issues should not pose a problem. Heck he even already has 3 investment properties including a duplex and a four-plex...so he has some good sense of what is going on in the world of real estate investing.
Because my new client and soon to be new friend (we got along great) had been drinking the guru kool-aid he know about ‘hard money' but thought it was only for flipping. Well this opened up a great discussion that ended with me referring him to my client/friend/hard-money lender Colleen Bigler of Loan Solutions, Inc. who provides hard money loans for longer term strategies - up to 5 years.
The conclusion of this little tale is that my new friend still likes bird-dogging but he also realizes the upside potential of acquiring more property and leveraging his cash with hard money. When we get together next week, we will have a whole new profile of properties to look at and consider.
John: Our inventory is at such low levels in Northern Virginia that it is almost comical to watch these recent investor grads hit the ground running, and run straight into that brick wall of reality. I am always leary of advice that people need to sell me. Then they are no longer the gurus of real estate, but the gurus of selling themselves as gurus.
Chris,
OK, I chuckeled to myself - but I really do like this guy and want to help him out. I really enjoy working with Investors because I can tell it like it is and they listen...unlike first time home buyers.
John
I've got to look into this "green arrow" theory, if only for a laugh. It reminds me of gamblers with their "systems" -- Vegas and local bookies love 'em.
John, you must've run into a lot of first-time know-everythings, or first-timers-who-know-someone-else-(unlicensed, of course)-who-knows-everything-about-real-estate. One would think investors, who've been around the block at least once, would be less inclined to listen than a newbie.
Mark,
I did make a comment to my new investor friend about it and he chuckeld too, but said it was important to those who fund the deals so it was important to him.
John
Thanks for this post John.
I work with some Newbie Investors that think that they are going to find all of these great deals that are going to make them rich overnight. The reality is that no matter what the "Business", even in Investing, it is a business. It takes time, money and a lot of sweat investment to make it work and you must, must, must give it the time and nuturing it needs to become a thriving business.
Good Investing to all!
Bev King, Real Estate Virtual Assistant
I keep wondering who are these people who put on these seminars or write these books? I hope they are not unemployed real estate agents! ; )
Good post John and it made me smile too because now a days almost every buyer is a (slight) nightmare because they "know it all" and really not....

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