Do You Say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays?

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Do You Say Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays?


Christians around the world have been celebrating the birth of Jesus Christ for over 2000 years now.  The day set for celebrating is December 25th.  Usually starting around the first of December people would say their goodbyes with a Merry Christmas.

In recent years someone thought it unfair for other religions to say Merry Christmas and thought that everyone should be included and that Happy Holidays would be more appropriate. 

Personally we still believe that Merry Christmas is a reminder of Christ's birth and it should stay like that.

All other religions have their special days of celebration and have not to our knowledge included the Christians in their celebrations.

We have no bones to pick with any other religions.  Be part of our celebrations on December 25th if you wish, but don't try to change a tradition that has been going on for thousands of years.

Let's start a new day of celebration and festivities, how about sometime in March.  We can all greet each other with "Happy Holidays".

Have a safe and happy Christmas,

Merry Christmas


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Al & Peggy Cunningham, Brokers
RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage - Brampton, ON
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Great idea Chris. We do the same, wish people a happy Hannakuh or Daliwal no problem. Just wish they would allow us our Merry Christmas. our house, it will be merry regardless.

Dec 03, 2009 12:47 AM #16
Suesan Jenifer Therriault
JTHIS-Professional Home Inspection Team - Blakeslee, PA
"Inspecting every purchase as if it were my own".

When we really stop to think about it I think the whole thing is so darn silly. My Jewish friends don't wish me Happy Holidays; they wish me a Merry Christmas. I always wish my Jewish friends a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, but I also wish them a Happy Chanukah.

So to you my friends in Canada I will be wishing you both a very Merry Christmas and a Prosperous New Year.

Dec 03, 2009 01:25 AM #17
Al & Peggy Cunningham, Brokers
RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage - Brampton, ON
Our Family Wants To Help Your Family!

Thank you Sue and the very same to you.  Let's just hope it is a merry time for all!

Dec 03, 2009 01:49 AM #18
Kathy Clulow
RE/MAX All-Stars Realty Inc. Brokerage - Uxbridge, ON
Trusted For Experience - Respected For Results

Al And Peggy - around here it's Merry Christmas and Happy New Year but that does not mean we do not recognize someone elses right to say it as they please ... It's all in what you believe.

Dec 03, 2009 08:58 AM #19
Russel Ray, San Diego Business & Marketing Consultant & Photographer
Russel Ray - San Diego State University, CA

I can't believe that my good Canadian friends are so very wrong about Christmas. To wit:

There is nowhere in the Bible that states the birth of Christ. Scientists would have us believe (from plant life mentioned in the Bible) that Jesus was born in the Spring.

Christmas in latter years was simply a conglomeration of immigrant customs. Holland was where the celebration originated in.

SANTA CLAUS has been around since the 4th century and originally known as Saint Nicholas, the patron of children and sailors, the bishop was immortalized because of his generous and loving nature towards children. He was said to have brought joy to the poor by throwing gifts through their windows. The Dutch called him Saint Nikolass, which eventually evolved into Sinter Klaas. It wasn't until the Dutch began entering America that the colonists of New York began calling him Santa Claus!

As time went on Department stores and toy companies saw dollar signs and thus, toy giving, gift giving, etc. It puts stress on the poor that can't afford to give gifts and for those that can it's the busiest few weeks of the year leaving people exhausted and irritable. By the time Christmas rolls around people are worn out, tapped out and miserable and then come the bills from Visa!

The tradition of the YULE LOG was taken from ancient sun worship rituals and were suppose to be cut from red oak trees and burned all of Christmas Eve and in Christmas Day. It was unlucky to buy your own log and lucky ones usually come from last year's log. The scrap was kept under the homeowners bed to protect the home from fire and lightening during the next year.

The WREATH was used to worship evergreen holly as a sign of eternal life because it did not brown or die in the winter. Some religious groups say that the crown of thorns placed on Jesus' head was made of holly. The berries were supposedly white, but turned bright red from Jesus' blood.

MISTLETOE is rarely used in churches because it comes from the ancient Druid ceremony celebrating winter solstice. This one pagan tradition of a sun god and the white berries were the sperm droplets.

CHRISTMAS CARDS was originated by designer Sir Henry Cole, the first director of the Victoria and Albert Museum. It was both the Penny Post postal service in 1940 and the industrialization of the printing industry that led to the popularity of sending Christmas cards. By 1846 1,000 were sold at one shilling each. A German printer by the name of Louis Prang was designing and selling cards in Roxbury, Mass., in 1874 and 10 years later sold more than 5 million.

EGG NOG used to be made with beer! In the 17th century a strong ale called "nog" was popular in Britain around the holidays. It was made from beer, sugar, egg yolks, lemon rinds and cinnamon. Later in the 19th century North Americans took the French version of the drink called "Lait de Poule" made from milk, sugar, egg yolks and added alcohol.

CHRISTMAS LIGHTS on the tree was started by Edward Johnson who worked for Thomas Edison. The first strands to be mass-produced came from Ever Ready in the early 1900s. By the 1920s General Electric had improved them.

CHRISTMAS TREES was a tradition from Germany. The very first trees were oak. Trees were a symbol of good luck since the middle ages. In Germany whenever someone built a house, a small evergreen tree would be nailed to the highest beam and eventually the trees were brought inside. German immigrants came to the U.S. and brought the tradition with them and Americans modernized it.

CAROLING came from 13th century Italy where a man named St. Francis of Assisi led songs of praise. It was bad luck to send carolers away empty handed and customary to give them food, drink or money.

RUDOLPH THE RED NOSED REINDEER was an advertising gimmick born in 1939 when a 34 year old writer for Montgomery Ward named Robert L. May was asked to invent a Christmas story. The company gave copies of the story to customers during the holiday season as a promotion for their stories.

Very few have ever reflected on why they believe what they do -- why they follow the customs they do, or from where those customs came. We were born into a world filled with customs. We grew up accepting them without question. Why? Sheep instinct? Well, not exactly. But by nature we do tend to follow the crowd, whether right or wrong. Sheep follow others to the slaughter. Humans ought to check up where they are going.

How -- when did Christmas originate? Does Christmas really celebrate the birthday of Christ? Was Jesus born on December 25th? Did the original apostles, who knew Jesus personally and were taught by Him, celebrate His birthday on December 25th? Did they celebrate it at all? Do you know?

The word "Christmas" means "Mass of Christ," or, as it came to be shortened, "Christ-Mass." It came to non-Christians and Protestants from the Roman Catholic Church. And where did they get it? NOT from the New Testament -- NOT from the Bible -- NOT from the original apostles who were personally instructed by Christ -- but it gravitated in the fourth century into the Roman Church from paganism.

Since the celebration of Christmas has come to the world from the Roman Catholic Church, and has no authority but that of the Roman Catholic Church, let us examine the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1911 edition, published by that church. Under the heading "Christmas," you will find: "Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church ... the first evidence of the feast is from Egypt." "Pagan customs centering around the January calends gravitated to Christmas." And in the same encyclopedia, under the heading "Natal Day," we find that the early Catholic father, Origen, acknowledged this truth: "... In the Scriptures, no one is recorded to have kept a feast or held a great banquet on his birthday. It is only sinners [like Pharaoh and Herod] who make great rejoicings over the day in which they were born into this world."

Encyclopedia Britannica, 1946 edition, has this: "Christmas (i.e., the Mass of Christ) .... Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the church ...."It was not instituted by Christ or the apostles, or by Bible authority. It was picked up afterward from paganism.

The Encyclopedia Americana, 1944 edition, says: "Christmas .... It was, according to many authorities, not celebrated in the first centuries of the Christian church, as the Christian usage in general was to celebrate the death of remarkable persons rather than their birth ...." (The "Communion," which is instituted by New Testament Bible authority, is a memorial of the death of Christ.) "... A feast was established in memory of this event [Christ's birth] in the fourth century. In the fifth century the Western Church ordered it to be celebrated forever on the day of the old Roman feast of the birth of Sol, as no certain knowledge of the day of Christ's birth existed."

Now notice! These recognized historical authorities show Christmas was not observed by Christians for the first two or three hundred years -- a period longer than the entire history of the United States as a nation! It got into the Western, or Roman, Church, by the fourth century A.D. It was not until the fifth century that the Roman Church ordered it to be celebrated as an official Christian festival!

Jesus was not born December 25th. Jesus was not even born in the winter season! When the Christ- child was born "there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night" (Luke 2:8). This never could have occurred in Judaea in the month of December. The shepherds always brought their flocks from the mountainsides and fields and corralled them not later than October 15, to protect them from the cold, rainy season that followed that date. Notice that the Bible itself proves, in Song of Solomon 2:11 and Ezra 10:9, 13, that winter was a rainy season not permitting shepherds to abide in open fields at night. "It was an ancient custom among Jews of those days to send out their sheep to the fields and deserts about the Passover (early spring), and bring them home at commencement of the first rain," says the Adam Clarke Commentary (Vol. 5, page 370, New York ed.)

Continuing, this authority states: "During the time they were out, the shepherds watched them night and day. As ... the first rain began early in the month of Marchesvan, which answers o part of our October and November [begins sometime in October], we find that the sheep were kept out in the open country during the whole summer. And, as these shepherds had not yet brought home their flocks, it is a presumptive argument that October had not yet commenced, and that, consequently, our Lord was not born on the 25th of December, when no flocks were out in the fields; nor could He have been born later than September, as the flocks ere still in the fields by night.

On this very ground, the nativity in December should be given up. The feeding of the flocks by night in the fields is a chronological fact ... See the quotations from the Talmudists in Lightfoot." Any encyclopedia, or any other authority, will tell you that Christ was not born on December 25. The Catholic Encyclopedia rankly states this fact. The exact date of Jesus' birth is entirely unknown, as all authorities acknowledge. Scriptures strongly indicate it was in the early fall -- probably September approximately six months after Passover.

If God had wished us to observe and celebrate Christ's birthday, He would not have so completely hidden the exact date.

Then how did this pagan custom creep into the Western Christian world? The New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge explains it clearly, in its article on "Christmas": "How much the date of the festival depended upon the pagan Brumalia (Dec. 25) following the Saturnalia (Dec. 17-24), and celebrating the shortest day of the year and the 'new sun' ... cannot be accurately determined. The pagan Saturnalia and Brumalia were too deeply entrenched in popular custom to be set aside by Christian influence .... The pagan festival with its riot and merrymaking was o popular that Christians were glad of an excuse to continue its celebration with little change in spirit and in manner. Christian preachers of the West and the Near East protested against the unseemly frivolity with which Christ's birthday was celebrated, while Christians of Mesopotamia accused their Western brethren of idolatry and sun worship for adopting as Christian this pagan festival."

Remember, the Roman world had been pagan. Prior to the fourth century, Christians were few in number, though increasing, and were persecuted by the government and by pagans. But, with he advent of Constantine as emperor, who made his profession of Christianity in the fourth century, placing Christianity on an equal footing with paganism, people of the Roman world began to accept this now-popular Christianity by the hundreds of thousands.

But remember, these people had grown up in pagan customs, chief of which was this idolatrous festival of December 25th. It was a festival of merrymaking, with its special spirit. They enjoyed it! They didn't want to give it up! Now this same article in the New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge explains how the recognition by Constantine of Sunday, which had been the day of pagan sun worship, and how the influence of the pagan Manichaeism, which identified the SON of God with the physical SUN, gave these pagans of the fourth century, now turning over wholesale to "Christianity," their excuse for calling their pagan-festival date of December 25th (birthday of he SUN-god), the birthday of the SON of God.

And that is how "Christmas" became fastened on our Western World!

So, no, it has not been celebrated for over 2,000 years!

Again from the Encyclopedia Britannica: "Certain Latins, as early as 354, may have transferred the birthday from January 6th to December 25, which was then a Mithraic feast ... or birthday of the unconquered SUN ... The Syrians and Armenians, who clung to January 6th, accused the Romans of sun worship and idolatry, contending ... that the feast of December 25th, had been invented by disciples of Cerinthus ...."

But if we got Christmas from the Roman Catholics, and they got it from paganism, where did the pagans get it? Where, when, and what as its real origin?

It is a chief custom of the corrupt system denounced all through Bible prophecies and teachings under the name of Babylon, and it started and originated in the original Babylon of ancient Nimrod! Yes, it stems from roots whose beginning was shortly this side of the Flood! Nimrod, grandson of Ham, son of Noah, was the real founder of the Babylonish system that has gripped the world ever since -- the system of organized competition -- of man -- ruled governments and empires, based upon the competitive and profit-making economic system.

Nimrod built the tower of Babel, the original Babylon, ancient Nineveh, and many other cities. He organized this world's first kingdom. The name Nimrod, in Hebrew, is derived from "Marad," meaning "he rebelled." From many ancient writings, considerable is learned of this man, who started the great organized worldly apostasy from God that has dominated this world until now. Nimrod was so evil, it is said he married his own mother, whose name was Semiramis. After Nimrod's untimely death, his so-called mother-wife, Semiramis, propagated the evil doctrine of the survival of Nimrod as a spirit being. She claimed a full-grown evergreen tree sprang overnight from a dead tree stump, which symbolized the springing forth unto new life the dead Nimrod. On each anniversary of his birth, she claimed, Nimrod would visit the evergreen tree and leave gifts upon it. December 25th was the birthday of Nimrod. This is the real origin of the Christmas tree.

Through her scheming and designing, Semiramis became the Babylonian "Queen of Heaven," and Nimrod, under various names, became the "divine son of heaven." Through the generations, in this idolatrous worship, Nimrod also became the false Messiah, son of Baal the Sun-god. In this Babylonish system, the "Mother and Child" (Semiramis and Nimrod reborn) became chief objects of worship. This worship of "Mother and Child" spread over the world.

The names varied in different countries and languages. In Egypt it was Isis and Osiris. In Asia, Cybele and Deoius. In pagan Rome, Fortuna and Jupiterpuer. Even in Greece, China, Japan, Tibet is to be found the counterpart of the Madonna, long before the birth of Christ! Thus, during the fourth and fifth centuries, when the pagans of the Roman world were "accepting" the new popular "Christianity" by the hundreds of thousands, carrying their old pagan customs and beliefs along with them, merely cloaking them with Christian-sounding names, the Madonna and "Mother and Child" idea also became popularized, especially at Christmas time.

Every Christmas season you'll hear sung and chanted dozens of times the hymn "Silent Night, Holy Night," with its familiar "Mother and Child" theme. We, who have been born in such a babylonish world, reared and steeped in these things all our lives, have been taught to revere these things as holy and sacred. We never questioned to see where they came from -- whether they came from the Bible, or from pagan idolatry! We are shocked to learn the truth -- some, unfortunately, take offense at the plain truth! But God commands His faithful ministers, "Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and show my people their transgression!" Shocking as these facts are, they are the plain facts of history and the Bible!

The real origin of Christmas goes back to ancient Babylon. It is bound up in the organized apostasy which has gripped a deceived world these many centuries! In Egypt, it was always believed that the son of Isis (Egyptian name for "Queen of Heaven") was born December 25th. Paganism celebrated this famous birthday over most of the known world for centuries before the birth of Christ. December 25th is not the birthday of Jesus! The apostles and early true Church never celebrated Christ's birthday at any time. There is no command or instruction to celebrate it in the Bible -- rather, the celebrating of birthdays is a pagan, not a Christian custom!

Thus the ancient idolatrous "Chaldean Mysteries," founded by this wife of Nimrod, have been handed down through the pagan religions under new Christian-sounding names.

Now where did we get this mistletoe custom? Among the ancient pagans the mistletoe was used at this festival of the winter solstice because it was considered sacred to the sun, because of its supposed miraculous healing power. The pagan custom of kissing under the mistletoe was an early step in the night of revelry and drunken debauchery -- celebrating the death of the "old sun" and the birth of the new at the winter solstice. Mistletoe, sacred in pagan festivals, is a parasite! Holly berries were also considered sacred to the sun-god.

The yule log is in reality the "sun log." "Yule" means "wheel," a pagan symbol of the sun. Yet today professing Christians speak of the "sacred yule-tide season"! Even the lighting of fires and candles as a Christian ceremony is merely a continuation of the pagan custom, encouraging the waning sun-god as he reached the lowest place in the southern skies!

The Encyclopedia Americana says: "The holly, the mistletoe, the Yule log ... are relics of pre-Christian times." Of paganism! The book "Answers to Questions", compiled by Frederick J. Haskins, found in public libraries, says: "The use of Christmas wreaths is believed by authorities to be traceable to the pagan customs of decorating buildings and places of worship at the feast which took place at the same time as Christmas. The Christmas tree is from Egypt, and its origin dates from a period long anterior to the Christian Era."

But surely dear old Santa Claus is not a creature of pagan birth? But he is, and his real character is not so benevolent and holy as many suppose! The name "Santa Claus" is a corruption of the name "St. Nicholas," a Roman Catholic bishop who lived in the 5th century. Look in the Encyclopedia Britannica, volume 19, pages 648-649, 11th edition, where you'll read: "St. Nicholas, bishop of Myra, a saint honored by the Greeks and Latins on the 6th of December .... A legend of his surreptitious bestowal of dowries on the three daughters of an impoverished citizen ... is said to have originated the old custom of giving presents in secret on the Eve of St. Nicholas [Dec. 6], subsequently transferred to Christmas day. Hence the association of Christmas with Santa Claus ...."

Through the year, parents punish their children for telling falsehoods. Then, at Christmas time, they themselves tell their little children this "Santa Claus" lie! Is it any wonder many of them, when they grow up and learn the truth, begin to believe God is a myth, too? One little fellow, sadly disillusioned about "Santa Claus," said to a playmate, "Yes, and I'm going to look into this 'Jesus Christ' business, too!"

Is it Christian to teach children myths and falsehoods? God says, "Thou shalt not bear false witness!" It may seem right, and be justified by human reason, but God says, "There is a way that seemeth right to a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death!"

"Old Nick" also is a term for the devil! Is there a connection? Satan appears as an "angel of light," to deceive! (II Cor. 11:14; Rev. 12:9.) And so when we examine the facts, we are astonished to learn that the practice of observing Christmas is not, after all, a true Christian practice, but a pagan custom -- one of the ways of Babylon our people have fallen into!

If the Bible is silent about telling us to observe Christmas, or recording any such observance by the apostles or early true Church, it does have something to say about the Christmas tree! This will come as a real surprise to many. But here it is: Jeremiah 10:2-6: "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen .... For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." There is a perfect description of the Christmas tree, termed by the Eternal as "the way of the heathen -- the customs of the people."

We are commanded not to learn that way or follow it! It is also viewed in this passage as idolatry. The fifth verse shows that these trees cannot speak -- cannot walk -- must be carried. "Be not afraid of them; for they [the trees] cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good." They are not gods to be feared. Some people misread this to make it say there is no harm in having a Christmas tree, but that is not what it says.

But when it comes to the most important part of all in this Christmas observance -- the Christmas shopping season -- the buying and exchanging of gifts -- many will exclaim triumphantly, "Well, at least the Bible tells us to do that! Didn't the wise men give gifts when Christ was born?" Again, we are due for some surprises, when we learn the plain truth. First, let's look at the historic origin of trading gifts back and forth, then see exactly what the Bible does say about it. From the Bibliotheca Sacra, volume 12, pages 153-155: "The interchange of presents between friends is a like characteristic of Christmas and the Saturnalia, and must have been adopted by Christians from the Pagans, as the admonition of Tertullian plainly shows." The fact is, this custom fastened upon people of exchanging gifts with friends and relatives at the Christmas season has not a single trace of Christianity about it, strange though that may seem! This does not celebrate Christ's birthday nor honor it or Him! Suppose someone you love has a birthday. You want to honor that person on his or her birthday. Would you lavishly buy gifts for everyone else, trading gifts back and forth with all your other friends and loved ones, but ignore completely any gift for the one whose birthday you are honoring? Rather absurd, when viewed in that light, isn't it? Yet this is exactly what people the world over are doing! They honor a day that is not Christ's birthday by spending every dime they can scrape together in buying presents to trade back and forth among friends and relatives. But I can say by years of experience, as I believe most pastors and ministers can say, that when the month of December rolls around, nearly all professing Christians forget to give gifts to Christ and His cause almost altogether!

December often is the most difficult month to keep Christ's work from dying! People are too busy trading gifts back and forth among themselves to think of Him and His Work, it seems. Then, in January and even into February it seems they have to catch up from what they spent for Christmas, so they seldom get back to normal in supporting Christ and His Work before March!

Now consider what the Bible says about the wise men giving gifts when Christ was born. It is in Matthew 2:1-11. "Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem, saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? ... And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto HIM gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh."

Notice, they inquired for the child Jesus, who was born KING of the Jews! Now why did they present gifts to Him? Because it was His birthday? Not at all, because they came several days or weeks after the date of His birth! Was it to set an example for us, today, to trade gifts back and forth among ourselves? No, notice carefully! They did not exchange gifts among themselves, but "they presented unto HIM gifts." They gave their gifts to Christ, not to their friends, relatives, or one another! Why? Let me quote from the Adam Clarke Commentary, volume 5, page 46: Verse 11: "The people of the east never approach the presence of kings and great personages, without a present in their hands. The custom is often noticed in the Old Testament, and still prevails in the east, and in some of the newly discovered South Sea Islands." There it is! They were not instituting a new Christian custom of exchanging gifts with friends to honor Christ's birthday. They were following an old and ancient eastern custom of presenting gifts to a king when they came into his presence. They were approaching Him, born KING of the Jews, in person. Therefore custom required they present gifts even as the Queen of Sheba brought gifts to Solomon.

No, the custom of trading gifts back and forth does not stem from this scriptural incident at all, but rather, as quoted from history above, it is the continuance of an ancient pagan custom. Instead of honoring Christ, it invariably retards His Work, often sets it back, at the Christmas season every year.

Now come two arguments often used to justify Christmas observance.

1) Many will reason this way: "But, even though the exact date of Jesus' birth is unknown, should we not select some date to celebrate as His birthday?" The answer is positively no! Did you not notice the statement quoted from the Catholic Encyclopedia: "Sinners alone, not saints, celebrate their birthdays." The celebration of birthdays is not a Christian, but a pagan custom, observed by sinners!

2) But, many still reason, "Even so -- even though Christmas was a pagan custom, honoring the false sun-god, we don't observe it to honor the false god, we observe it to honor Christ." But how does GOD answer in His Word? "Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them [the pagans in their customs] ... that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every abomination to the Eternal, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods" (Deut. 12:30-31).

God says plainly in His Instruction Book that He will not accept that kind of worship, even though intended in His honor. To Him, He says, it is offering what is abominable to Him, and therefore it honors, not Him, but false pagan gods. GOD says he must not worship Him according to the "dictates of our own conscience" -- a term we often hear. But Jesus said plainly, "God is a spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth" (John 4:24). And what is truth? God's Word -- the Holy Bible -- said Jesus, is truth (John 17:17); and the Bible says God will not accept worship when people take a pagan custom or manner of worship and try to honor Christ with it.

Again, Jesus said: "In vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" (Matt. 15:9). Christmas observance is a tradition of men, and the commandments of God, as quoted, forbid it. Jesus said, further, "full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition." That is precisely what the millions are doing today. They ignore the commandment of God.

He commands, regarding taking the customs of the pagans and using them to honor or worship God: "Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God." Still, most people today take that command of God lightly, or as having no validity whatsoever, and follow the tradition of men in observing Christmas. Make no mistake! God will allow you to defy and disobey Him. He will allow you to follow the crowd and the traditions of men. He will allow you to sin. But He also says there is a day of reckoning coming. As you sow, so shall you reap!

Jesus was the living Word of God in Person, and the Bible is the written Word of God. And we shall be judged, for eternity, by these words! They should not be taken lightly or ignored.

Christmas has become a commercial season. It's sponsored, kept alive, by the heaviest retail advertising campaigns of the year. You see a masqueraded "Santa Claus" in many stores. Ads keep us deluded and deceived about the "beautiful Christmas spirit." The newspapers, who sell the ads, print flowery editorials exalting and eulogizing the pagan season, and its "spirit." A gullible people has become so inoculated, many take offense when told the truth. But the "Christmas spirit" is created each year, not to honor Christ, but to sell merchandise! Like all Satan's delusions, it appears as an "angel of light," is made to appear good. Billions of dollars are spent in this merchandising spree every year, while the cause of Christ must suffer! It's part of the economic system of Babylon!

We have professed to be Christian nations, but we're in Babylon, as Bible prophecy foretold, and we don't know it! "Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues" -- now soon to fall -- is the warning of Revelation 18:4.

And I'm not even Christian, or religious, and I don't celebrate Christmas. I simply am, and I'll be Playing in the Rain on Christmas Day just like any other day.

Happy Holidays!

Happy December!

Dec 03, 2009 09:31 PM #20
Russel Ray, San Diego Business & Marketing Consultant & Photographer
Russel Ray - San Diego State University, CA

I got a kick out of Charles' comment (#5): "We were founded on Christian values and we may not get 27 virgins when we die but we don't kill 3500 along the way either."

If he is talking about the United States of America, actually it was not founded on Christian values, and remembering that Christianity has been around since about the Fourth Century, 95% of the world's wars in which millions, maybe even billions of people, have been killed have been started, fought by, fought over, and concluded by religion. The United States is involved in two wars right now, both started by George W. Bush, an avowed Christian.

Dec 03, 2009 09:36 PM #21
Russel Ray, San Diego Business & Marketing Consultant & Photographer
Russel Ray - San Diego State University, CA

And a quick follow-up, albeit much shorter: There are 6½ billion people on Earth, and only 1 billion of them are Christians. I don't want to offend the other 5½ billion people who, in this global economy, have money that spends just as well as Christians. Everyone everywhere celebrates holidays and the end of the year, so HAPPY HOLIDAYS, SEASON'S GREETINGS, and HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Dec 03, 2009 09:42 PM #22
Al & Peggy Cunningham, Brokers
RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage - Brampton, ON
Our Family Wants To Help Your Family!

Thank you Russel for your valued comments and your valued time. You raised many many points to us and sure have our minds thinking.

You stated "If God had wished us to observe and celebrate Christ's birthday, He would not have so completely hidden the exact date."  We knew about the shepherds and the herds and that the date was just chosen. But you did raise an interesting fact in your statement, why is the birth date hidden.

You also raised an excellent point in your statement of December is the hardest month to do God's work.  You are right as we watch people getting pushed and shoved in the packed malls, getting trampled as people reach for the last of "this year's most wanted gift", this is not God's will.  Where are the smiles, people helping one another.

We stand corrected on numerous issues.  


Dec 04, 2009 12:25 AM #23
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
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All and Peggy, if I may I would just like to respond quickly to a couple of Russel's comments.  First, Russel is correct in stating that Jesus Christ was more likely born in the Spring than in December, but December 25 is not about celebrating the actual day that Jesus was born (which we do not know), but just simply celebrating his birth.  For those of us who do celebrate his birth (and not Santa bring gifts) December 25th is as good a day as any other to celebrate the greatest of all births, and it is about the event and not the day to us.

Second, had the actual day, time and place of his birth been know at the time he was born, his life would have probably been taken by Herod at that time, who had sent his soldiers out to kill all male children born within a certain time period.  The Bible is very clear of that event, and if Jesus had not been hidden from Herod's soldiers, he might walk this earth for 33 years teaching us the values that we are to follow.

And lastly I do see why which someone a Merry Christmas would offend the 5 1/2 million people who are not of the Christian faith.  I would not be offended if one of the 5 1/2 million people who are not of the Christian faith wished me a Happy ........... Day that they celebrate.  What does offend me is when someone tries to deny me the same right of speech, and freedom to worship that I have a right to, and somehow make me feel that I am doing something wrong by doing it.

I will do my best to respect your post and try to resist the need to respond with others that may disagree with me on this, They have a right to their opinion as I have a right to mine.

Dec 04, 2009 01:55 AM #24
Al & Peggy Cunningham, Brokers
RE/MAX West Realty Inc., Brokerage - Brampton, ON
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George we agree with what you are saying.  You are also right about Herod and of course freedom of speech.

We did not mean to offend anyone here, only ask that if some have a right to say Happy Daliwal or whatever, then we feel we have a right to say Merry Christmas....or if it has to be Happy Holidays for one make it Happy Holidays for all.  We have to admit though no one has ever wished us a Happy Daliwal, Kwanza or Hannukah for that matter.  Lately however, in the stores, no one wishes you anything!  Have a happy Friday though George!

Dec 04, 2009 02:07 AM #25
Not a real person
San Diego, CA

Let me respond real quickly to George's comment.

First, the Bible was written many, many years after Christ's birth. Surely someone, like maybe mommy, or one of the apostles, or even those who claim to talk directly to God, could have revealed, or found out, exactly when and where Christ was born. Perhaps there is a reason why God continues to keep that knowledge from us? Hmmmmm.

Would that Christmas really was about celebrating not the birth of Christ, but the good deeds and good words that he said. However, in every great, and some not-so-great, religions, one can find good deeds and good words, even great deeds and great words.

I'm pretty sure George meant 5½ BILLIOIN people rather than 5½ MILLION.

I'm not sure where George is finding someone trying to deny him the right of free speech or the freedom to worship. He is free to say Merry Christmas or anything else he wants, within reason. Remember that the Supreme Court ruled that you cannot yell "Fire!" in a crowded theater.

As far as worshipping, my God, there are churches throughout the world that he can worship in, regardless of what religion he is. Heck, in the United States, those churches are tax exempt and don't pay property taxes. If we collected taxes on the billions of dollars they bring in each year, we could easily pay of our $20 trillion debt and still have money left over for universal health care. Do we really need a Christian cross on top of every building, every mountain, or on every corner? At some point we have to realize that Christianity is a major religion but it's not the only one.

Mark Twain might have said it best: "If Christ were here now there is one thing he would not be - a Christian." Too few people have read the Bible, preferring to rely on various quotes taken out of context. Too few people have studied the history surrounding the Bible, preferring to rely on various quotes taken out of historical context. And waaaaaaaaay too few people practice what Christ taught.

I predict that the final war will be fought over religion. It's just a question of when, not if.

Dec 04, 2009 04:12 AM #26
Rachelle McMahan
Golf Savings Bank - Grants Pass, OR

it's still Merry Christmas for me.  I'm not offended if someone wishes me Happy Holidays.  For me it's the spirit.

Dec 04, 2009 04:47 AM #27
George Souto
George Souto NMLS #65149 FHA, CHFA, VA Mortgages - Middletown, CT
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Al and Peggy this is my last response to Russel.

The Bible was not written many many years after Jesus Christ's birth.  Even though the New Testament was compiled into the book form that we now have centuries latter, its content was written by people who lived during the time Jesus was on this earth, and those of us who believe that Jesus is who he claimed to be (by the way he never claimed to just be a good man) believe that those written words were inspired by God, not not just the words of men.

I do agree that the last war will probably be fought over Religion, but it will not be started by those who claim to follow the Word of God, but rather by those who would seek to destroy it.

Also using sarcastic remarks "like maybe mommy" is childish and does not add anything constructive to the discussion.

It is funny how those who claim to be so accepting show the opposite by the words they use.

Dec 04, 2009 04:57 AM #28
Jenny Kotulak
RE/MAX Real Estate Centre Inc., Brokerage - Oakville, ON
Broker - Oakville Ontario Real Estate

Thanks for the history lesson everyone.  Russel that was quite a lengthy  comment.  You should post it as you put so much work into it.  I just can't believe there was really someone named Nimrod.  You learn something new every day.

Dec 04, 2009 05:40 AM #29
Ann Hayden
Berkshire Hathaway HomeServices Select Properties-St. Louis Missouri - Chesterfield, MO

Al and Peggy,

Merry Christmas...   Not sure why the big issue with those words...

Ann Hayden in Wildwood, MO

Dec 04, 2009 01:42 PM #30
Cindy Bryant
Redesign Etc. Home Staging - Houston, TX
"Houston Home Staging Pros"

It always has been and always will be "Merry Christmas" for me.

Dec 05, 2009 12:06 PM #31
Ron and Alexandra Seigel
Napa Consultants - Carpinteria, CA
Luxury Real Estate Branding, Marketing & Strategy

Al & Peggy,

We love it all.  All the holidays are appropriate and all should be celebrated by everyone.  We love Merry Xmas, Happy Hannukah, etc...we want to be part of it all and know it all.  It is a joy to see celebration regardless of packaging, and to all ____________________________fill in the blank!  All the best

Dec 07, 2009 02:33 AM #33
Diane Williams
Pell City, AL

God is with us for the celebration of the birth of his son if the date is correct or not. It will be and will always be Merry Christmas for me.  What ever any ones belief is we should respect it.

Dec 16, 2009 02:07 PM #34
Julie Duncan
The Higgins Group Realtors - Lexington, MA
Broker/Associate, Lexington/Concord, Massachusetts

Wow! I live in a Happy Holidays community - even get the religious Jewish holidays off - and therefore really enjoy the time I spend in my Church community where "Merry Christmas" is the norm.

I personally try to say Merry Christmas whenever I can, but just because you are in the majority doesn't mean you have to ram it down peoples throat. When in doubt I say "enjoy the holiday season" or Happy Holidays, that covers everyones holiday and the season if someone chooses not to celebrate any

I grew up in the 50's, and even then my Mom bought religious, Santa & Season's Greetings cards for her various friends. So let's stop acting like this is new idea. What is new(er) is the incredibly obnoxious beginning of the "Christmas" season in the stores on November 1st! I don't think any of that has to do with a celebration of the birth of Christ. Think what it must be like for a non-Christian kid finding out that they must be naughty since Santa doesn't come to their house.

I'd like to see the verbal dissention be pointed to the marketeers - let's attack that expression of the freedon of speech:-)



Dec 21, 2009 07:13 AM #35
Tom Davis
Harrington ERA,DE Homes For Sale, $$ Save $$ Buy Today ! - Dover, DE
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WELL.... as for me and my opinion... LOL... after such a lengthy conversation going on here...Lol...  WELL I say MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Also I Hope your Christmas went well!

I can't wait for 2010 to start!  We all are going to shoot for the stars this new year!!

Cheers to a prosporous new year!! 

I am going to make it my best year ever!  Let's all get this economy out of the slump!


Tom Davis

Dec 27, 2009 02:51 PM #36
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