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Rush Limbaugh Bumps the Grinch into Second Place !

By Karen Anne Stone

Real Estate Agent with New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County

December 05, 2009 03:29 PM

Actually... it was more like a "body slam" than a "bump."

In an absolutely startling display of total disregard for the spirit of Christmas, and smashing "Goodwill Towards Men" to bits... Rush Limbaugh... in one sentence... blasts past The Grinch... and vaults into first place... making Scrooge, the Grinch, and other "Christmas 'nasties'" look like comparative Boy Scouts.

In an interview with William Shatner on Shatner's "Raw Nerve" TV show... Rush Limbaugh argued that it is entirely fair that if someone cannot afford healthcare, they should not have it.

Limbaugh unbelievably argued that poor people should have no more right to quality healthcare than they have a right to purchase "a house on the beach."

To quote Limbaugh... "The right to have one's health issues treated adequately, is a luxury and nothing more. If one is wealthy, then the luxury is within one's reach." Limbaugh continued that if someone could not afford health care... "There is NO MORAL REASON whatsoever for society to provide any means to assist the underprivileged (or, the middle class?) in obtaining quality health care."

How incredibly callous. Limbaugh... in one interview... has, for many, cemented his place as a radical, and very much out-of-step with the great majority of the American population who believe they should have access to care when they need it.

To take it down to plain and simple language... Limbaugh is allowing that it is the wealthy who decide whether the poor should live or die.

Shameful ? Yes. Radical ? For most people, yes. For Limbaugh, though... it's simply the way "things should be." And THIS... is the man that many say is the "voice" of the Republican Party. Shame on Mr Limbaugh, and shame on any who agree with him. Oh, and by the way... Merry Christmas !

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Es r

CSR - Huntington, TX

I 100% agree with Rush. No one has any right to health insurance. Remember, insurance is different than care. To my knowledge anyone who needs urgent medical care can get it at any hospital, regardless of their ability to pay for it. This ensures that no one in America should die for lack of care.

Insurance however, is different and not a matter of life or death. Insurance is a private product that requires private capital and labor to produce. No one should have the right to get that labor and capital of others at no cost. Insurance IS a luxury and not a right. Please know the difference between insurance and care.

I do propose this question for those of you who believe that we, as a nation, should provide insurance for all. Why doesn't the government just provide vouchers for health insurance? Would anyone have any issue doing this instead of this whole ridiculous healthcare bill?

Dec 15, 2009 04:58 PM

Karen Anne Stone

New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX

Fort Worth Real Estate

CF Escrow: Strangely enough... I see by your website that your first name is "Christian." How ironic ! Insurance, health care, whatever. Everyone is entitled... let me respell that... everyone is ENTITLED to health care... FREE health care... everyone.

You don't have to call it "health care insurance" if you don't like the term... but everyone should be due... should be entitled... should be guaranteed... pick whatever word of those that you like... everyone should be able to get quality health care whenever they need it... free ! It should be part of being an American citizen. A person's ability to live... should NOT be dictated by whether or not they have the money to pay for health CARE. Period. Christian... have I made things clear enough for you ?

We do not need to provide a "voucher" to purchase health care INSURANCE. Do away with the massive health insurance industry... do away with their lobbyists... when will also do away with them BUYING Senators and Representatives... and having them in their pockets... and you do away with massive wasted amounts of money that can then be spent... on real, live, life-saving health CARE.

Dec 15, 2009 05:28 PM

Karen Anne Stone

New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX

Fort Worth Real Estate

William in # 68: My response is above... in comment # 70. You said you look forward to my response... there it is. From the tone of your comment, though, I am not sure what you could come up with that we could mutually agree upon... but why don't we try and see.

By the way... I looked at your profile, and see that you have been a member of Active Rain for fifteen months. During that time you have written ZERO posts... and made EIGHT comments. Quite the talker, aren't you ?

Dec 15, 2009 05:34 PM

William Queen

William D. Queen, Real Estate Broker, Richmond, Virginia - West End, VA

Karen Anne, ref #71: I will first address your direct response to me. Without checking I believe you are correct that I have been among AR for about 15 months, I have written ZERO posts and made eight comments. I infer from your rhetorical question, "Quite the talker, aren't you?" that you are making some judgment but I'm not at all sure what it is. But if your judgment is that I don't talk much or in this case write much you are correct. You see we do have a point of beginning where we agree. I subscribe to the proverb, "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." It was for this reason that upon reading your original post I made no direct comment to your post. I tried to find the broadcast to which you were referring but I failed to find it so rather than write about something that I had no knowledge I read the many other comments. I did make a comment about one of the comments to your post because I did know something about the subject. However, apparently I made the unforgivable error of a typo in the spelling of the word thinking.

You directed me to your earlier comment #70 in which you appear to be commenting to CF Escrow. I ask what do you find strange and ironic about the first name Christian of the commentator known as CF Escrow?

The main point that I took away from your comments in #70 is that health care should be available free of charge to all American citizens. Am I correct? If I am correct is that your opinion, or do you think it is a right independent of your opinion?

Dec 16, 2009 01:48 AM

Es r

CSR - Huntington, TX

Karen,

You are a hothead. There is indeed a difference between care and insurance and that difference matters. Yes, yes, we can all see by your response to my comment that you are passionate and emotional about the topic. Unfortunately, passion and emotions murky the water and cloud your ability to see the real issues at hand. I don't think you care too much about that though. You just want to be mad.

Yes, my name is Christian. There is no irony there, just your desire to lash out at something, anything that may shake your convictions.

Dec 16, 2009 02:33 AM

Es r

CSR - Huntington, TX

Karen,

I have a questions for you. You state that we should do away with the health ins. industry because they buy senators to do their bidding. My question to you is why are you so angry with the health insurance industry who owes you nothing. They weren't elected by you. You don't pay them. They never took an oath to protect and serve you or our Constitution. They are just businessmen doing what businesspeople do. Why are you so angry at them?

Shouldn't you place your anger on the poeple that you do pay to serve you. The people whos job it is to uphold the Constitution. The people who aren't the busienspeople. Shouldn't you direct your anger and frusturation there?

You are like a wife who has been cheated on. You forgive and go back to the cheater who swore an oath not to cheat on you and you punish his mistress for seeing what you saw in him. Ironic?

Dec 16, 2009 03:38 AM

Karen Anne Stone

New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX

Fort Worth Real Estate

Christian @ CF Escrow: I have some sage advice for you. First of all... does your home have a shower ? If so... I suggest you go into that room, get into the shower, and turn on the cold water. Breathe deeply... feel yourself awakening. Now... chill awhile, then get out, dry off, and try to remain in an awake and thinking mode.

I am not angry. Just a tad more than mildly sarcastic. The health insurance industry. Ummm... my biggest complaint is that many of them thieves... and many are also blood suckers. That's a good start. My guess is that way too many of them spend much too much money on advertising, and on paying people whose main job is to deny claims. If those at fault did not exist, and all the money paid for health care "insurance" actually went to take care of people rather than line these folks pockets... things would be much better.

My final thought here is about my comment about you being named "Christian." I find it ironic in that so many folks who call themselves Christians, and whose holy book contains a parable spoken by Christ about "The Good Samaritan"... can shake and quake about how they do NOT want "their taxes" to pay for taking care of others medical needs. Not very christian... is it ?

By the way... perhaps my head is hot because there is actual thinking going on in there... rather than just the parrotting of something you heard on Fox News. You ought to try it sometime.

Dec 16, 2009 05:37 AM

Karen Anne Stone

New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX

Fort Worth Real Estate

William in # 72: I think that health care should be availabe to all American citizens... free, and simply as a part of being an American citizen. It is my opinion, and I also believe, as I just said, that it is a right... just by a person being an American citizen. Very, very simple.

And... please read my comment above, # 75... for my reasoning about the irony regarding the writer in CF Escrow having the name "Christian." I believe that, although his NAME is Christian... his thoughts regarding health care for all... do not APPEAR very "christian..." at least not in the way Christ said that Christians should act in regard to his parable of the Good Samaritan. Also... Christ was a believer in the idea that each of us should really be "our brother's (and sister's) keeper."

Dec 16, 2009 05:49 AM

William Queen

William D. Queen, Real Estate Broker, Richmond, Virginia - West End, VA

Karen Anne: I understand your extension of the parable of the Good Samaritan to view the controversy of the current health care discussions. I am familiar with it but to be sure I was not missing a significant nuance I read it again and I will print it here to make your opportunity to also review it easy.

Luke 10:25-37 (New International Version)

The Parable of the Good Samaritan

²⁵On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"

²⁶"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?"

²⁷He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'^[a]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'^[b]"

²⁸"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

²⁹But he wanted to justify himself, so he asked Jesus, "And who is my neighbor?"

³⁰In reply Jesus said: "A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho, when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him of his clothes, beat him and went away, leaving him half dead.

³¹A priest happened to be going down the same road, and when he saw the man, he passed by on the other side. ³²So too, a Levite, when he came to the place and saw him, passed by on the other side.

³³But a Samaritan, as he traveled, came where the man was; and when he saw him, he took pity on him.

³⁴He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put the man on his own donkey, took him to an inn and took care of him.

³⁵The next day he took out two silver coins^[c] and gave them to the innkeeper. 'Look after him,' he said, 'and when I return, I will reimburse you for any extra expense you may have.'

³⁶"Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?"

³⁷The expert in the law replied, "The one who had mercy on him."
Jesus told him, "Go and do likewise."

Now Karen I want to ask you, is Christian of CF Escrow also your neighbor? Are the people at Fox News also your neighbors? Are those who work in the health insurance industry also your neighbors? Have the people in the health insurance industry paid huge amounts of money to hospitals and doctors that have resulted in many lives being extended and the quality of life greatly improved for many? Have your neighbors who are doctors and those who work at the hospitals also profited by their receipts for caring for those in need of health care? Oh by the way two more questions: Was the innkeeper in the parable wrong for accepting the two silver coins? Do you really think all of your neighbors in the insurance industry and Fox News or anyone who accepts payment or who might have some disagreement with you are thieves and blood suckers?

Dec 16, 2009 07:14 AM

Karen Anne Stone

New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX

Fort Worth Real Estate

William: All I can say about all your questions... regarding whether those folks you mentioned are acting in a "good samaritan" way... or not... I would simply say... if their shoe fits... they should wear it. If it doesn't fit... they should not. As Fox News says... more or less... "I Write... You Decide."

Dec 16, 2009 09:10 AM

Es r

CSR - Huntington, TX

Karen,

I am Jewish, not Christian. That is only my name. Stop confusing yourself and distracting your thoughts from the real issue. My name has nothing to do with any of this. You betray your cause when you try to get witty or sarcastic.

As is typical with someone of your mental stature you would rather rant and rave the same old song rather than address my earlier question. The same old song is the one about the big mean corrupt corporation that owe you nothing.

My question to you was why aren't you angry at the actual people that are employed to represent you? Those are the ones that have betrayed us, not the corporations. If you don't like the health insurance companies, you don't have to utilize their service. That is quite simple. Unfortunately you don't have the same liberty with our politicians.

You are the worst kind of idiot. You can't jump off your mental track for nothing. Not even to effectively defend your mental track.

To have any meaningful debate, it would help if you actually addressed my point or my question rather then my name.

Dec 16, 2009 10:34 AM

William Queen

William D. Queen, Real Estate Broker, Richmond, Virginia - West End, VA

Karen, it never ceases to amaze me how absolutely intellectually blind many can be. None so blind as those who will not see.

Dec 16, 2009 10:42 AM

Jane Wallace

HomeSmart Realty - Denver, CO

CRS | SRES, Denver Real Estate

Nice Comment Escrow, You Just Called Karen Ann a Idiot

Dec 16, 2009 10:43 AM

Karen Anne Stone

New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX

Fort Worth Real Estate

Christian: First of all... your following sentence... "You can't jump off your mental track for nothing" is either correct, or else you have used poor grammar and written it incorrectly.

Secondly, with myself being an idiot... because of all of the seemingly nonsensical gibberish you have written... I cannot figure out what your question is. I am done with you. Any other comments will be deleted.

William: I am finished playing with the two of you. Please go back to your corners. I find your pseudo-intellectual buffoonism very boring. Any further comments from the two of you will be deleted. I need to go play with my cat.

Dec 16, 2009 01:12 PM

Karen Anne Stone

New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX

Fort Worth Real Estate

Jane: Playing with both William and Christian is starting to lose it's charm. Sure... he has called me an idiot. I am obviously not an idiot. Maybe a goof for continuing to give them a forum. So... they can now go and play amongst themselves. I am too bored to continue.

And Jane... hope things are going well with you. I bet things in Denver are kinda nippy right about now. Don't forget your mittens. Take care... have a great "rest of the week."

Dec 16, 2009 01:16 PM

Karen Anne Stone

New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX

Fort Worth Real Estate

Will: I am sorry, but you answered your own question. We have the right to LIFE. If we are ill... if our LIFE is threatened... we have a right to have our LIFE protected. That is where healthcare comes in. Never mind healthcare insurance... it's health CARE.

And yes, you have rights. But you do not have the right to absolute control if in doing so, it harms others. In my opinion, your reasoning is flawed.

Dec 19, 2009 02:20 AM

Karen Anne Stone

New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX

Fort Worth Real Estate

By the way, Will, does your above statement mean that someone who does not believe in God... has no rights ? How silly.

Dec 19, 2009 02:24 AM

Karen Anne Stone

New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX

Fort Worth Real Estate

Will: My question about asking if someone had rights if they did not believe in God... was not... as you said... "dopey." You brought it up... with the first sentence in your original comment # 85... and then in your first sentence in # 87. That is where it came from... so if I am "dopey"... than perhaps you and I are "dopey together."

Ok... you need air to breathe. Is that a right ? Is that "free ?" If the air around Alexandria or Arlington, Virginia is so noxious that many are experiencing health concerns... does some "taxing entity" have the right to, let's say, put a one-cent tax on gasoline to raise money to help install air-cleaning devices ?

Needs are surely different than rights. Your neighbor may think he "needs" a 65 inch HDTV, but that ill-perceived need does not require you to help him pay for his TV. Is breathing, or, in the case of free health CARE... a need ? Sure it is. Is free health care to take care of that "condition" a need or a right ? I am saying it is both.

Will... what you are saying... is simply "your belief..." and you are entitled to it. Your original comment said that we have the "right" to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Having a need of an HDTV is obviously not a right. Having a right to the health care needed to continue one's "life"... in my opinion... is a right. And... that free health care... is our right... simply because we are citizens of the United States. Look at Canada. It works for them. But, then again, their system does not have to spend billions to line the pockets of their health insurance companies.

So... to conclude... you do not have to agree with everyone's "rights"... but your comment itself said we all have the right to life. It appears I agree... as do many others, and you... as well as some others... do not agree about the "right" to free healthcare. Rather than continue to bang our heads against the wall here... because neither of us appears to be able to be convinced of the "belief" of the other... why don't we just "agree to disagree."

Thanks for sharing your comments.

Dec 19, 2009 07:18 AM

Karen Anne Stone

New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX

Fort Worth Real Estate

Will: As I said above... and as you just proved in your above comment # 91... we need to simply agree to disagree. I do not agree with much of what you have written above... so no, neither of us will convince the other to see the value, and correctness, of what each of us believes. What I DID say... was that free health care is both a right and a need. And health care must be free for all Americans... it is also a right that we have... simply from being American citizens.

So... you and I are done here. No need for either of us to repeat what each of us has already said. So, if you have a need to carry this further... just re-read both your comments and mine... and then be done with it. As I said... we are done here. Please... no more. And again... thanks so much for sharing your "beliefs."

Dec 19, 2009 08:16 AM

Karen Anne Stone

New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County - Fort Worth, TX

Fort Worth Real Estate

Will: Ahhhh... I see you have re-written your above comment #91... expanded it... and are now getting obnoxious and insulting. I will not put up with that. Your first version of your comment # 91 stated your beliefs... and you did it in a "civil" manner. Your second, revised version... is to be pitied. You have now becoming "abusive."

Also... when I read your sentence about "humoring" me... I almost deleted your entire comment. Gee... and here I thought it was I who was "humoring" you. Silly me.

But... I will even let your revised comment stand. But... as I said in #92... we are done here. And... now in this comment, # 93... we are "really" done. Anything else from you will be deleted. And... if you choose to "revise" your above comment... again... and add to it to make it even more contentious and confrontational... I will delete that, too. Quit trying to play games with me... you will not win. Have a nice day.

Dec 19, 2009 08:26 AM