Have You Ever Seen the Siding Melting?

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Home Inspector with JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC HOI 394

This is an interesting phenomenon one of my clients had occur to his house about two months after the home inspection. The home was a newer cape built in 1991. The inspection was done at the end of Sept. 2005. 

The client noticed his siding was melting in Dec. on the left side of his house. He called me to asked have you ever seen this before? I told him no and would look into it. He emailed me a bunch of photos he took because quite frankly I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

Warped siding

All the pics. the client took, these are not my photos.

This is looking up the siding. Anyone getting sea sick?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Right pic is the air temp. and the left is the siding temp. Notice the bright spot in the left photo. That is a refection from the neighbors window.

 

 

 

 

 

Reflections on the clients house and the neighbors windows.

 

 

I asked around about this and no inspectors I talked with had heard of this happening. I did find someone with the same experience on the ASHI discussion boards. That inspector had seen this happen on a condo.

My client contacted the old owner and as expected he was a little evasive. He did remark "it happened again". So this was not the first time this occurred and it seemed they had replaced the siding before selling.

The melting only happened in the cold months. This would seem to be because the trees were bare and the angle of the sun was right at this time.

I have never heard back as to what the client did to rectify the problem. He did say he was going to talk to the neighbor, but said he could not expect the guy to cover his windows. Melting siding, yes it can happen.

James Quarello

JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC

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Rainmaker
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James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Hey Bob, let's try to keep that quiet. ;-)

You know David around here there are towns or communities that won't allow homes to be clad in vinyl for just that reason. They feel it looks cheap. Me I like anything that is low or no maintenance. Like they say vinyl is final. Unless you decide to have a bonfire next to your house. That picture kills me!

Jul 05, 2007 05:25 AM #22
Rainmaker
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Bob Elliott
Elliott Home Inspection - Chicago, IL
Chicago Property Inspection
If we go back to to asbesto's we won't have that problem.
Jul 05, 2007 06:49 AM #23
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James

I don't make a habit of following the inspector discussion boards, I had for a while followed Inspection News.

Thats too bad. I think you would be a valuable contributor to The Inspectors Journal. IMO it is the best board out there (I am on all of them waaayyy too much, I'm a certified HI geek).  Check it out if you haven't  already.

 

Tim

Jul 13, 2007 01:51 AM #24
Rainmaker
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James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Stan,

Are your neighbors aware of the problem their windows are causing to your house? Seems to me that if their windows are defective, they should be replaced by the builder. He admitted as much to you. I would assume you have an attorney. If not the time to find one is now.

Jul 20, 2007 11:12 PM #25
Rainer
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David Helm
Helm Home Inspections - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham, Wa. Licensed Home Insp
Stan, I don't know what to say about your legal problems, but if you have to replace your siding yourself, I would respectfully suggest you go to some other type of siding.  If you want low maintenance (there is no such thing as no maintenance) and a relatively reasonable price go to one of the cementicious clapboards like Hardy Plank.  I personally prefer cedar for siding but it has gotten quite expensive in recent years, and unless you live close to Western Canada and can go directly to the mill to buy it (I can do that here) it can be prohibitively expensive.  As I stated in a response above, I don't like vinyl and you have certainly learned that it is no panacea.
Jul 21, 2007 03:42 AM #26
Rainmaker
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James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

David,

I would also agree about Hardy board, but I did not see that as an option for Stans' problem. The reason being he should reside the the whole house with this product and I doubt the builder will agree to that. Maybe he could get the builder to pickup the cost of residing one side and pay for the rest. 

This is a complicated issue and the builder sounds like he's trying to wriggle out of his responsibilities.

Jul 21, 2007 04:08 AM #27
Rainer
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David Helm
Helm Home Inspections - Bellingham, WA
Bellingham, Wa. Licensed Home Insp
Yes it is complicated.  I made my comment based on the assumption that Stan would probably end up paying for it himself.  I certainly think he needs good legal advice and that he shouldn't just roll over, but I also know that pushing a principal to the limit can be very expensive.  I wish him well, and hope he gets what he needs in the process.
Jul 21, 2007 04:12 AM #28
Anonymous
Stan

Yes, our neighbor is aware.  This involves them taking the time off of work and arrange with the window manufacturer to come and replace the glass in their windows.  Sadly, the neighbor has to do all the work to fix my problem.  I really think the builder should offer them an incentive, however, I may have to do that myself.  The builder says they can't offer any incentive.  It amazes me all the things my builder could do 3 years ago when the building market was good.  Now, he can't do anything.    I will be speaking with the builder again this week. 

Thanks for all the advise.  I am not sure a lawyer will do any good at this point.  The builder has an arbitration clause to avoid going to court.  The things we learned after we closed on the house. 

 Stan

Jul 22, 2007 10:14 AM #29
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Carl Winters
Canyon Lake, TX

My son just built a weekend place down at the Texas coast and used Hardy board. I am seeing more and more homes in this area being built using Hardy on three sides and brick in the front to dress it up. If we ever build a house I would like to use Hardy but will have to convince my wife, she likes brick or native rock over here in Texas.

Great blog material and photographs.  

Jul 25, 2007 11:47 AM #30
Rainer
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Kenneth Miller
Jordan Hill Home Services, LLC - Berkley, MI

Stan,

I'm no legal expert, by any means, but I would have a contract law attorney look at the contract, as well as the letter from the builder.  It sounds as if you may have a breach of contract case.  If that's the case, it may void the arbitration clause.  Again, I'm no law expert, but, if I were you, it would be worth it to me to have an attorney look at it.  Heck, a letter from an attorney to the builder might be enough to get the builder to cooperate.

Jul 25, 2007 02:15 PM #31
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Carla Horne
Grand View Home Inspections, LLC. - Meredith, NH
NH licensed Home Inspector

Hi James,

your blogs are great, thanks for sharing.

CJ

Jul 26, 2007 04:40 AM #32
Rainmaker
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James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector
Thanks Carla, glad you find them interesting.
Jul 26, 2007 04:54 AM #33
Anonymous
Allan J.

If your stereo is playing loudly so as to disturb neighbors, you are creating a nuisance.

If you keep pigs or other animals that give off bad odors, you are creating a nuisance.

So if your windows cause reflections that damage other property, that should be considered a nuisance also.

 

Nov 11, 2009 05:14 AM #34
Rainmaker
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Erby Crofutt
B4 U Close Home Inspections&Radon Testing (www.b4uclose.com) - Lexington, KY
The Central Kentucky Home Inspector, Lexington KY

Good anology that I hadn't heard before.  I'll remember it for the next time I run into it.

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Nov 11, 2009 11:18 PM #35
Rainmaker
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James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Allan J., I would have to disagree with your logic. Your first two examples are clearly conscious choices made by someone. You know if you play your music loud or keep barnyard animals there is going to be noise and odors.

On the other hand if my new windows for some weird reason line up with the sun in such a way as to cause a reflection on my neighbors house, that could not be considered a decision I knowingly made that can cause a nuisance.

Nov 11, 2009 11:36 PM #36
Rainmaker
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Erby Crofutt
B4 U Close Home Inspections&Radon Testing (www.b4uclose.com) - Lexington, KY
The Central Kentucky Home Inspector, Lexington KY

Well dang, James.  Now you're bringing intent into the argument.  It's a good point.  The sunlight is NOT intentional or intended.

Intent is important!

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Nov 14, 2009 09:09 AM #37
Rainmaker
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Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Here's a great video on the topic. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdn2HrAWnyE 

Mar 24, 2010 11:48 AM #38
Rainmaker
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James Quarello
JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC - Wallingford, CT
Connecticut Home Inspector

Interesting point of view.

Mar 24, 2010 10:54 PM #39
Anonymous
Mike

The only time I've seen melted vinyl siding, was because someone put their grille to close to the siding!

<a href="http://www.mbmcarpentry.com/blog/house-siding-options-lets-weigh-the-pros-cons-of-exterior-siding/">house siding options</a>

Jul 06, 2010 11:28 AM #40
Anonymous
Deborah

help. We had a house fire last year. We now have siding. It is warping and caused damage to the drywall on the interior during this last rain. Is this an installation issue?

Jan 17, 2011 05:42 PM #42
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