Are Realtors Ready for the New Self-Employed Borrower Guidelines?

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Mortgage and Lending with iLoan - NMLS ID#4474 NMLS 79048

 

For all loans this year where the borrower has ANY kind of self employed income feature, they will have extra steps to go through in 2010. This means that even if they have a very passive business or a rental property or anything like that, they’ll be put through the Spanish Inquisition of income documentation.

 

What’s more important as a Realtor, is that you’re working with a loan officer that is very proficient in tax transcript analysis and knows how to prepare an accurate Self Employed Income Analysis quickly (an example of this form is attached). The reality is that most loan officer either don’t have a clue how to do these or aren’t very proficient with them and end up stumbling through them and taking forever to figure out the “real” qualifying income.

 

It used to be that a lot of these borrowers qualified for their loans going “stated” or using a “liar’s loan.” Then, lenders starting pulling an IRS 4506t form that gives them a summary of the filed taxes and if it supported what was in the loan application, that was good enough. No more. Now, the self employed income analysis will need to be in there. For my own part, I’ll be putting the analysis form in there along with underwriting cover letters describing my basis for income calculation (a cover letter is just a narrative that get’s right to the point because some underwriters are dumb and the good ones are busy – I’ve attached an example).

 

If I were a Realtor, I’d be adding some steps this year to prepare for this. First of all, if you don’t already, you might want to help your loan officer collect documents for your buyer because it’s a lot for borrowers to do in a timely fashion but it’s necessary. Secondly, AND THIS IS IMPORTANT, when representing a seller and getting pre-approvals with purchase agreements, ask if the buyer is self-employed in any way shape or form. If they are, then follow up by asking for a copy of the income analysis to be certain that it’s been done because, if it hasn’t, that pre-approval isn’t worth the paper it’s written on. If they won’t show the income analysis to you, then make sure to get a hard financing contingency and/or add special language to the financing addendum. Here’s an example:

 

“If the buyer’s financing should fall through due to debt to income ratios, inconsistent income, failure to provide necessary income documentation and/or any issue concerning self-employment, buyer agrees to forfeit all earnest money to seller.”

 

This kind of language is not unfair because all of those grounds for loan denial are detectable in the loan origination process by a quality loan officer.

 

I’m attaching the announcements from Freddie Mac on this matter and have highlighted in yellow the relevant sections (Fannie is doing it too but I figured this was good enough). If you’re not sure if your loan officer is up to snuff on this, invite them over to your office and, without telling them, throw down your tax returns, tell them to do a self employed income analysis on you and judge for yourself.

 

Attachment – Freddie Mac Announcement 1

Attachment – Freddie Mac Announcement 2

Attachment – Self Employed Income Analysis

Attachment – Sample Cover Letter for Basis of Income Calculation

 

Posted by

Charles Dailey - Branch Manager, Loan Officer, Certified Military Housing Specialist - iLoan - NMLS ID# 79048 -  612.234.7283 - charles@charlesdailey.com


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Comments (62)

Mike Wald
Mike Wald, Scottsdale, AZ, mortgage consultant, 480-241-2632 - Scottsdale, AZ

Good stuff, but I think Jay above said it best, "full doc loans", just like it use to be, nothing new here.

Jan 02, 2010 04:26 AM
Michael J. Perry
KW Elite - Lancaster, PA
Lancaster, PA Relo Specialist

Well,I'm now more ready, having read your post !!! Thanks !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jan 02, 2010 04:30 AM
Alan Brown
Coldwell Banker Montrose Colorado - Montrose, CO
29 Years of Real Estate Experience .

Back to the way it used to be. You are right though with the fact that very few loan officers know how to look at self employed financial statements and tax returns and make sense of them.

Jan 02, 2010 04:32 AM
Tim Krueger
Morovish Properties - Costa Mesa, CA

Thank you for the value post!  Great content here

Jan 02, 2010 04:33 AM
Jay Beckingham
Christensen Financial Mortgage - Port St Lucie, FL
Seniors ROCK!

pretty interesting comments.

a loan officer can't submit tax returns to an underwriter and wait for their determination?

you mean loan officers did that? then they weren't doing their job, and should not have been dealing with self employed borrowers.

the 4506t doesn't contain all of the info on the tax returns and the irs site states that. the last 4506t i saw didn't have the depreciation, but we already had the returns in hand.

really nothing new here just full doc self employed loans.

Jan 02, 2010 04:41 AM
James Lyon
Vista Pacific Realty - Sacramento, CA

"lenders had staffed up with loan officers who were former gym membership salespersons who don't have the technical skill to use an abacus. . . . .?  Is that too harsh?"...hilarious and no, not harsh at all. Great post and follow up comments, thanks.

Jan 02, 2010 06:18 AM
Jayne Vaughan
Re/Max Home Team - Clarks Summit, PA
ABR,SRS,CNE

Charles

Thanks for the extremely important information.  This will help me greatly with my buyers and sellers. 

Excellent.

Jan 02, 2010 06:32 AM
Charles Dailey
iLoan - NMLS ID#4474 - Saint Paul, MN

Jay,

The 4506t does show depreciation. It’s on page 6 of the long form. Its seven pages long and very detailed. The level of detail that the long form contains has, to date, justified it’s usage in lieu of the FNMA Form 1084 and in some cases, the tax returns themselves. I think what you were looking at was the short form which isn’t very informative.

Recently, Wells Fargo’s retail division was trying out a hybrid version of the old Countrywide Fast and Easy loan where they wouldn’t request the borrower’s income documents and would qualify them for the loan based on the income reported on the 4506t report. This was this year! And yes, for years loan officers have put together their best effort guess on income calculation for self employed borrowers and ultimately submitted tax returns to the borrower to the underwriter for final determination. It’s true that this is not the best way to do it but no loan officer with any kind of experience in this business could pass a polygraph stating that they prepare a self employed income analysis (Fannie Mae Form 1084) on every borrower with any kind of self employed income features. That would just be untruthful.

To suggest that there’s “nothing new here just full doc self employed loans” is disingenuous and false. I’d challenge anyone in the industry to come up with a published Fannie Mae or Freddie Mac guideline or announcement prior to 2009 that states that the agencies won’t purchase a loan without the FNMA form 1084 in the file (like the one’s attached). It/They doesn’t exist.  That would make this inherently new.

To make this sound like a commonplace practice doesn’t serve the Realtors in this community very well. Because most loan officers slop their way through self employed borrowers, Realtors need to be ready for what most loan officers will do. How’s that for easy math?

My unsolicited recommendation would be that you not make light of this, bring it to the attention of Realtors that send you business so they don’t end up having unforeseen bad experiences with some other loan officer in a way that might hurt their bottom line and use it as a reason for why they should use you since you seem to have such a good handle on it.

Jan 02, 2010 07:56 AM
David Monsour
Keller Williams Keystone Realty - Gettysburg, PA
ABR - www.realty-insights.com

more changes and hoops to jump through.  You'd think that it would be easy to buy a house as a realtor afterall that's what we do full time.  When stated income vanished I knew it would be headaches.  I still think the benefits of being self employed outweight the negatives.

Jan 02, 2010 09:31 AM
Mike Russell
Mike Russell & Associates - Overland Park, KS
Overland Park Kansas Real Estate

glad I am not buying a house this year, let me take that back. I hope to buy at least 1 income property. Better start preparing now.

Jan 02, 2010 09:40 AM
David John Medendorp
Medendorp Real Estate Group Muskegon - Norton Shores, MI
CCIM, GRI, Investments, Waterfront Homes, Muskegon

Thank you thank you I read all of  the attatchements. This  will help me this  years  thanks  for  your  hard work your customers are lucky to have you

Jan 02, 2010 09:59 AM
Jay Beckingham
Christensen Financial Mortgage - Port St Lucie, FL
Seniors ROCK!

thank you for explaining all of that to me.

Jan 02, 2010 10:27 AM
Aaron Vaughn, REALTOR© 830-358-0455
eXp Realty - Canyon Lake, TX
My knowledge is your power | eXp Realty

I like the thinly-veiled undercurrent of "see how much better of a loan guy I am than your guy" throughout this blog post -- that being said, you make excellent points here and this post is loaded with good stuff. So, on the whole, congrats.

Jan 02, 2010 11:34 AM
Darrel Cook CRS, GRI, Broker
Darrel Cook Real Estate Service - Jonesboro, AR

What was once old is new again, I do not understand why ever-one is so upset. What is wrong with someone wanting to borrow money, prove that they deserve it. no doc loans should have never been allowed

Jan 02, 2010 12:47 PM
Sybil Campbell
Fernandina Beach, FL
Referral Agent Amelia Island Florida

Charles, Thanks for the information. I had no idea about the passive income issue.

Jan 02, 2010 01:06 PM
Emily Lowe
The Lipman Group | Sotheby's International Realty - Nashville, TN
Nashville TN Realtor

Self-employed borrower=ugh.  It's sooooo tough these days.  I do like your statement to put into the contract.  Will use! 

Jan 02, 2010 01:22 PM
Valarie Littles
Dallas, TX

Thanks for the information. I will be sure to keep this in mind.

Jan 02, 2010 01:28 PM
John Occhi
Mason Real Estate - Temecula, CA
SRES,CPRES.ePRO - Temecula-Murrieta CA Real Estate

Seems like 2010 will be the year of the New Forms - with the Hud-1 and GFE added to your list ...this first quarter will certainly have some adjustment periods as to how we all do business.

John

Jan 03, 2010 06:16 PM
Nick T Pappas
Assoc. Broker/Broker ABR, CRS, SFR, e-Pro, @Homes Realty Group, @HomesBirmingham & Providence Property Mgmnt, LLC Hun... - Huntsville, AL
Madison & Huntsville Alabama Real Estate Resource

Charles, I was referred to this post by Monique Hailers' post.  I never realized any of this and wanted to thank you for this post.

Jan 04, 2010 04:51 AM
Derrick Guevremont
Counselor Realty of Rochester - Rochester, MN
Rochester MN Homes for Sale

Charles-


This is a fantastic post.  After your phone call on Friday I subscribed to your blog and appreciate all of this information on this topic.  One of my favorite loan officers did send me a lot of this information last month but I really like the explanations and business ideas you have here.  Obviously you are very well-informed on this and I'm happy to learn what I can from you.  I will refer any future clients I have in St. Paul to you.

Jan 06, 2010 12:22 AM

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