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the effect of a good beat down!

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Real Estate Agent with Jameson Sotheby's International Realty

This is the effect of a good beat-down on a Frozen push-button combination lock, that was left out in the elements.

A colleague of mine, had this lockbox on one of his properties.  Unfortunately, it was not protected from the weather, and when on the doorknob of the property, was in a "face-up" position... designed perfectly to catch rainwater, or ice-melting...and trap it inside.

Therefore, when the last agent went there to try to get inside... they couldn't.  The lockbox was frozen solid.

Clearly, that agent wasn't without means, as it appears they took a "hammer" to the top button... (note the shiny section on the button)... unsuccessfully.  These combo lock boxes, except for the face, are made out of steel.

They are not designed to be opened without the combination. GE/Supra did an excellent job of making them secure.

Apparently a couple of the hammer strikes, missed the button and damaged the 7 and 8 nicely.

My colleague was able to open the box by using a candle, and gently applying heat to the solid steel back of the box... loosening the ice-block.  And then alternating the flame from "near" the left and right sides... (not touching).

If you bring the flame too close to the box, as a different agent in our office learned through experience... the entire front of the panel will melt... numbers and all, and the lockbox will have to be cut-off the door, and will never open.

Having been in this position once in my recent past, I learned to bring a tupperware container filled with hot water, large enough to immerse the lockbox.  Works like a charm and no flame.  But you do need access to hot water and a container, or a microwave.

Good to know.

Posted by

 ALAN MAY, Realtor®   
Specializing in Evanston Real Estate and North Shore Real Estate

Jameson Sotheby's International Realty, 2934 Central Street, Evanston, IL 60201
Office: 847.869.7300      Cell: 847.924.3313      Email: Almay@aol.com

Evanston Real Estate & North Shore Real Estate
Licensed in Illinois

   

Comments (22)

Kathy Toth
Ann Arbor Market Center Keller Williams - Ann Arbor, MI
Ann Arbor Real Estate Experts - Kathy Toth Team

Funny, this has not happened in 21 years YET,  Hope to never have to be in hot water!

Jan 06, 2010 08:38 AM
Steve Andrascik
Lake Mead Area Realty - Boulder City, NV

Interesting information, Alan. Have had a few problems with lock boxes like that one myself.

Boulder City Steve

Jan 06, 2010 08:38 AM
Mike Jaquish
Realty Arts - Cary, NC
919-880-2769 Cary, NC, Real Estate

Alan,

Nothing I like better than pulling a key out of a lockbox that is slopping full of water.

Often they are at the bottom of a porch railing, so I have to kneel down to do it.

Hoping not to experience the frozen lockbox phenomenen...

Jan 06, 2010 08:39 AM
Lenn Harley
Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate - Leesburg, VA
Real Estate Broker - Virginia & Maryland

I have a mental picture of an agent with a container of water that was boiling when filled and has turned to ice water in the trunk of the automobile, sloshed into the trunk all over the boots, outer wear and other stuff in the trunk and now it's all frozen together in a big frozen mess. 

 

Jan 06, 2010 08:42 AM
Julia Odom
Select Realty Professionals - Chattanooga, TN
Chattanooga Homes for Sale

Reminds me of when I used to work for Maytag. Someone asked a customer how hot their water was. The customer sent in a sample for it to be tested with a note that they didn't have a thermometer.

How 'bout instead of trying to keep hot water with you, you just move down here. Seems a lot easier to me =)

Jan 06, 2010 09:09 AM
JL Boney, III
Coldwell Banker - Columbia, SC
Columbia, SC Real Estate

Sounds to me like there was a lot of thought that when into how to access a frozen lockbox, I love a thinker my friend. Thankfully we don't have many of those issues around here, all I have is the hammer.

Jan 06, 2010 11:12 AM
Alan May
Jameson Sotheby's International Realty - Evanston, IL
Home is where the hearth is.

Lewis - the frozen NE is a prime location for a frozen lockbox.

Elizabeth - sometimes the "warm hands" routine isn't enough.

Kathy - either you protect your lockboxes well, or you don't use lockboxes at all.

Steve - boulder would be prime time.

Lenn - i recommend a "thermos".

Julia - now THAT's FUNNY!

JL - sometimes a hammer is the best thing.

Jan 06, 2010 11:45 AM
Lise Howe
Keller Williams Capital Properties - Washington, DC
Assoc. Broker in DC, MD, VA and attorney in DC

It is so cold in DC these days that I am sure I will encounter this as a problem tomorrow! Most of our lockboxes fortunately are Sentrilock rather than the combo boxes - but even the Sentrilock boxes "freeze" up and don't open. Makes it hard to earn a living some days!

Jan 06, 2010 12:22 PM
Jane Peters
Home Jane Realty - Los Angeles, CA
Los Angeles real estate concierge services

Good to know.  If it ever freezes in The Valley where all these lock boxes are I will be sure to remember a thermos of hot water.  Of course that will happen when Hell freezes over :)

Jan 06, 2010 12:25 PM
Craig Rutman
Helping people in transition - Cary, NC
Raleigh, Cary, Apex area Realtor

You're a very resourceful man my friend. I never have tupperware and hot water in my "Realtor tool kit"!

Jan 06, 2010 12:27 PM
Alan May
Jameson Sotheby's International Realty - Evanston, IL
Home is where the hearth is.

Lise - sentrilock has been known to freeze up here too .. but it's not a good idea to douse those electronic boxes in a container of water... you know what ahm sayin'??

Jane - when LA freezes their lockboxes... (yeesh, when the celebs ALLOW you to USE lockboxes) hell will have frozen over.  you know what ahm sayin'?

Craig - you just have to be careful not to totally "drain" your radiator... you know what ahm saying?

Jan 06, 2010 12:39 PM
Barbara S. Duncan
RE/MAX Advantage - Searcy, AR
GRI, e-PRO, Executive Broker, Searcy AR

That is one trick that I've never had to learn.  I hope we don't switch to those boxes anytime soon.

Jan 06, 2010 12:58 PM
Alan May
Jameson Sotheby's International Realty - Evanston, IL
Home is where the hearth is.

Barbara - I'm sure you have plenty of other tricks up your sleeves.

Jan 06, 2010 01:27 PM
Marilyn Harrell
Better Homes and Acres - Beaverton, MI
Wixom Lake - Beaverton MI

Your advice is handy! I had one I couldn't get off last week, I'll have to go back and try this! Thanks!! and I've encountered frozen lock boxes before! LOVE MICHIGAN!

Jan 06, 2010 09:02 PM
Alan May
Jameson Sotheby's International Realty - Evanston, IL
Home is where the hearth is.

Marilyn, when you live in the tundra of the artic midwest, as we do, we have to be prepared for any eventuality.

Jan 06, 2010 11:53 PM
Michelle Francis
Tim Francis Realty LLC - Atlanta, GA
Realtor, Buckhead Atlanta Homes for Sale & Lease

Alan,  

I just had one of my Supra Lockbox spring freeze up yesterday.  You can get the e-key to communicate with it, but the spring won't depress and allow the black box part to drop out.  I am assuming it's related to our cold weather, a week below freezing in Atlanta is really cold for us.  

Any tips?

All the best, Michelle

PS, I will refrain from taking a hammer to it!

Jan 07, 2010 01:16 AM
Alan May
Jameson Sotheby's International Realty - Evanston, IL
Home is where the hearth is.

Michelle - you have to reach under it... and PUSH the box IN... and then it'll drop down.

Jan 07, 2010 01:34 AM
Claudette Millette
The Buyers' Counsel - Ashland, MA
Buyer, Broker - Metrowest Mass

Alan:

Just more evidence that people who live in cold climates must be highly resourceful and more prepared.  Do you think it also has an effect on our intelligence?

 

 

Jan 08, 2010 03:09 AM
Betina Foreman
WJK Realty - Austin, TX
Realtor, C.N.E., with WJK REALTY

Dear Alan,

This post is one of the reasons I don't care for the old manual lockboxes. I have never had a bit of trouble with my Supra lockboxes. Good luck and thanks for the ingenious tip!

Betina

ps. What, no Elvis post today?? It's his birthday ya know.

;)

Jan 08, 2010 03:11 AM
Alan May
Jameson Sotheby's International Realty - Evanston, IL
Home is where the hearth is.

Claudette - intelligence??

Betina - the Supras and the Sentrilocks also freeze up if not protected from weather.

Jan 08, 2010 03:18 AM