Definition of a Liberal and a Progressive

Odd.  I find it ironic that Liberals are so entrenched in:

I believe, the faith in our fellow citizens as individuals and as people that lies at the heart of the liberal faith. For liberalism is not so much a party creed or set of fixed platform promises as it is an attitude of mind and heart, a faith in man's ability through the experiences of his reason and judgment to increase for himself and his fellow men the amount of justice and freedom and brotherhood which all human life deserves.

Now we see liberals attacking individualism in favor of group identity.  This would be exemplified by Hillary Clinton say:

"We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, June 28,, 2004.

"We must stop thinking of the individual and start thinking about what is best for society."  Hillary Clinton, 1993

Seems to me to not be all that faithful towards the individual.

Almost as odd as you taking a quote from Hllary in 04 and 93 and using them to represent all liberals.

Linda Mae, your research is impeccable!  Is it possible for one to be a progressive liberal?  Or a liberal progressive?

Lane* let's not forget "it takes a village" to raise children.  

Interesting you use JFK on MLK day when JFK's AG * Bobby * instructed J.Edgar Hoover to get DIRT on MLK to discredit him with the African American followers and bring him down.  They could only find some sexual indiscretions with both JFK and Bobby knew Hoover knew about in THEIR OWN private lives. That's when JFK made a deal with MLK!!

Tchaka, would you prefer comments from the President?  The first quotes that came up when I put in individual and liberal was the Hillary quotes.  There are plenty more.  Look at what Congress is doing.  The Democrats are all about groups... even at the expense of individuals. 

In fact, individual liberties are perfectly acceptable to sacrifice according to modern liberals... if it is beneficial to a group that favors liberals...

It is interesting that Woodrow Wilson is pictured as a model progressive. Well, that's not really true because he was a model progressive. However, what is interesting is the placement of he quote directly below his picture. Wilson was one of the least respectful presidents of individual liberties we have had. He developed his own propoganda machine. He had businesses shut down (as did Roosevelt), he had his 4 Minute Men - "volunteers" who were given 4 minute talking points to take to public meetings, his CPI, his abuse of the first amendment using the post office to shut down any publication with an opposing view of the government, his jailing of 10'000's who spoke out against WWI, the administration, etc., his treatment of women suffragettes until he found it inevitible and politically expedient to change his position.

Classic progressives, which Hillary Clinton classifies herself as, admired facism, especially Mussolini but also Hitler. They favored, and still do, the state over the person, the collective over the indiidual. They were in favor of eugenics, to use birth control not to free women but to control the reproduction of "undesireables", people of the wrong background, including race, people of the wrong economic class, people not smart enough to reproduce.

If you look at everything JFK had to say, you will see that there is a tremendous gulf between what he believed and the current forms of liberalism and especially the democrat party.

The labels are not only misused but inaccurate.

By a true definition, I am a Liberal and a Progressive.

I do not want status quo (which would be by definition, conservative)

I want change and progress. That makes me Liberal and Progressive. I would argue that it would be conservative to want to keep a large government. It would be conservative to favor Big Business. It would be conservative to want less personal freedoms and more regulation. I am not a Conservative.

I want change. Obama is conservative and progressive. He wants more of the same, really. More government, more taxes, more regulation, more war, more control. What is so different about that. What has he really done so differently than Bush? It should make you all wonder who is really pulling the strings, because we had a conservative and a liberal doing the same things

Maybe this has already been said.