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Is it getting harder to be a Sandpoint real estate agent, or is it just me? Sandpoint Real Estate Blog

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For years, I was one of the few REALTORS that did REO in my area. There is only one REO specializing company, and I started locally with them. Short sales, bank repos, it all took a bit more skill than the rest of the agents in our market, and I finally decided to stop doing them.

Still, every year about 25% of my sales were REO.

Then the world fell apart. My friends Cindy Bond and Merry Brown Hayes have both related this is the hardest they have ever worked in real estate. I am not complaining. I had sales, was ranked 12th with my company, and was in the top 20% of my market. I would have done even better, but had a junior partner and I let him take a percentage of my closings.

There are new guidelines put out by the banks concerning REOs every week. Getting loans to go through has become a crap shoot. Most transactions have at least several issues and problems to overcome in the last two years. There is almost always one or two insurmountable obstacles.

Short sale nightmares abound on YouTube and ActiveRain. Only a percentage of all short sales go through. Last figure I read was 31%.

Even once homes get past the foreclosure and get on the open MLS, these often go unsold, but depress the market while they are listed. They then go to auction, fetching far less than their already discounted listing price.

What does the bank care. They have already, through their convoluted accounting measures, written the property off. So, once it gets sold or auctioned off, those sales go on their books as virtually pure profit.

It is not just the banks as the evil side of things. Appraisers are under incredibly stringent new guidelines. These appraisals can kill a deal in no time at all. HUD guidelines are not meant to overcome badly abused properties, making most of the homes that are at bargain-basemement prices only available to cash buyers. Yet, they depress home prices of properties that are fully financeable. Bad economic model.

What's even worse are plumbers, well inspectors, and many, many others practicing real estate, writing opinions and more that affect transactions, thinking they understand this new market and are oh, so willing to participate by involving their thoughts on paper. Of course, in the state of Idaho, we have a statutory duty to reveal all, and often we have to have multiple plumbers, multiple appraisals, muliple inspections, while the deal dies.

The most heinous of all is the rampant practice of law without a license.

It is not easy being a real estate agent these days.

We are the new bartenders, listening with the skills (or lack of them) of a psychoanalyst, to the multitudes of problems and issues of our sellers and buyers. Bankruptcy, divorce, and all the ailments of the bad society and economy are the ear-bending sessions we endure for our clients. It can be heartbreaking.

The results have been REALTORS who don't know what they are doing, less due diligence, and a mass exodus of agents from the field. In our area, fully one third, over 100 agents, did not have a transaction in 2009. Another third had only one or three deals, for less than $500,000 in sales, and the rest graduated up from there. About a quarter of our local agents have not renewed their licenses.

And things are not getting easier.

It is hard to relate to people how much more we are doing now than in previous years, but if they read this, they might understand.

If you are still in real estate, congratulations, and...my sympathies.

Martin E. Kalisker, Esq.
Natick, MA
Real Estate Law From A Practical Perspective

Real estate is not for sissies.  You've got to treat your job as a career and put 110% into it.  The people who are leaving the business were not successful because they treated real estate as a part time job and/or were not willing to do the activities to market themselves and press the flesh.  The barriers to entry in our profession are very low - more educational hours and longer years of experience before you can become a broker will help tremendously.  Not only for those of us working and educating the remaining inexperienced agents, but also to build consumer confidence.

Feb 12, 2010 01:13 AM
Lyn Sims and the Blog Dog
Streamwood, Elgin IL Real Estate - RE/MAX Suburban - Bartlett, IL

Interesting short sale stat of 31%.  Not good with that #!  You have some interesting points here & congrats on the feature.  Auctions? Can't figure out why banks are doing them & receiving so much less.  Are they trying out a new trend like a new pair of pants?  But, what I see in my area is extreme loss in sales price when an auction occurs.  Peter said above, you have to adapt.  I think that is true - you have to adapt & think quick on your feet.  I'm sure that you've seen plenty of others in the business sailing smoothly along on their own Titanic?

Feb 12, 2010 02:05 AM
Alan Grizzle
Chestatee Real Estate - Dahlonega, GA
Full Time Realtor, Lifelong Resident of Dahlonega

I am still in Real estate and am not asking for sympathy. Yes my sales are not what they were three years ago but they are still strong. I love real estate. I love the hunt that is a big part of it, the hunt for new listings, the hunt for the next buyer, the hunt for the home to fit the buyer. I love it and I am good at it.

Feb 12, 2010 02:18 AM
Ed Tseng
El Sobrante, CA

Agree!!! We are in a lawless era of real estate when dealing with short sale lenders, asset managers, HVCC, reluctant lenders, etc. But, hang in there, things are getting better in many markets now.

Feb 12, 2010 02:26 AM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

Hopefully we are skimming the bad agents out and you will have more business in the future because you are good at what you do.....

Feb 12, 2010 02:29 AM
Jackie Cross
Real Living All Florida Realty - Port St Lucie, FL

You may not like my comments but this sounds like a pity party.  No one said it would be easy.

Feb 12, 2010 02:50 AM
Anonymous
Unbelievable

This is not a good agent / bad agent situation. Good homeowners are being affected by this economy just as good real estate agents are. Those real estate agents who choose to be accomplices in Bank of Americas extortation of America should hang their heads in shame! Stop the insanity! Stop pretending to help by participating in short sales.

Real estate today requires a new set of tools. Some choose tools of empathy, understanding and creating skills and resources enabling a citizen to stablize their lives. Others choose tools of opportunity for exploitiong the distress, confusion and false hope the desperate will attempt to grasp. Which one are you? The latter will prosper in this season also, but we are all going to be further tainted by allowing them to victimize citizens while twiddling our thumbs like we practiced during the 'zero down' epidemic. Have we learned nothing!

Feb 12, 2010 02:56 AM
#10
Roy & Gail Barnhart & McKay
Barnhart & McKay Realty Advisors - Hudson, FL
Barnhart & McKay Home Selling Team

Work twice as hard, make half as much, and Love It!!!

This market has defined me,I have found resolve in my work ethic and outlook on life. At one point I had a pity party, as I thought the sky was falling, and I lost my mojo. Once I got over it and realized no one is going to pay my bills but me, I found myself.

It is easy to get lost in this business. There will always be challenges and obstacle to over come in Real Estate. These challenges are the test as to who is really deserving of the title "REALTOR".

 

Feb 12, 2010 04:44 AM
Gary Lirette
Business & Investing in the Inland Northwest

Great comments everyone. Having worked in REO for the last five years, I was doing this kind of sale during the height of the market.

Good agents do work harder, and my sales, while not what they could have been, were not bad.

As for the pity party, one of our jobs is to relate to our clients why we (meaning me) justify our percentages. By posting blogs like this, they can read about what it takes to get the job done. I do more for my clients than most agents, and I am happy that they continue to come back to me year after year. Like other busy agents, most of my business is referral.

I am happy to see agents leave the market for many reasons: less competition, preference for working with educated agents, etc.

I have attended perhaps over 50 auctions since 2005, and back in the day, working with the banks, i.e. short sales, was infinitely more workable. Just Google the term 'short sale nightmare' and you will find videos and articles ad nauseum. I now counsel my clients not to tie up their ability to make offers on viable properties by letting short sales go by the wayside. Even when a property is foreclosed on and listed on the open MLS, there can be impediments to purchase. This last year, I closed on two short sales and four repos.

The point of my musings was simply to state the obvious, not of your situation, but of mine. It is food for thought, and if you bothered to read my other 100+ blogs, you would see I am very hard working, with over 100 websites, work very actively in my community having just completed my 41st community event in January, and my 42nd is done February 16th. This is just in five years. I am the eternal optimist, and know that my hard work services my clients well. I was featured in Where to Retire magazine in December 2009, host two local radio shows, including North Idaho Business, have two published books, and guess I am trying to prove there is more to what I believe and am saying than just this blog article.

The truth, as I see it, is still the truth. I just wanted to relate to others, and that is what I accomplished.

Good luck.

Feb 12, 2010 05:31 AM
Carole L. MacCollum
HOME AT LAST REAL ESTATE - Wells, ME
Broker/Realtor 207-337-4792

Gary, bless your heart for working the challenging business of REO sales!  I did not get the impression of your throwing a "pity party" here at all.  "Shared musings" is what I call your blog and I thank you for sharing! 

Feb 12, 2010 07:57 AM
Jennifer Walker-Derby
Re/Max Westside - Marietta, GA
Real Estate Extraordinaire

my 2009 was up 20% from 2008.  I believe the trend is continuing for 2010!

Feb 12, 2010 09:47 AM
Gary Lirette
Business & Investing in the Inland Northwest

Thanks so much Carole. Tomorrow I will be writing an offer for a family making an offer on a bank-owned only four days on the market. I am in the process of packing for my move. Getting divorced after 22 years of marriage, and had alerted all my clients I needed this week off. This family has all moved to North Idaho, and I have written a successful P&S for each one once a year for the last five years. This is the last group to make the move.

They found a fantastic home, and have written four contracts, all of which did not go to close.

I need this time to make my scheduled move on Monday. That is how it is in this business. We need to be there for our clients. This family is now dear to me. I will take the several hours off tomorrow, and hopefully, the several hundred dollars I am paying for the move will be enough.

Your words were greatly appreciated, and when I get this family a $300,000 home on ten acres for less than $150,000, it will be all worth it. In the last four years, this family has brought me eight completed transactions, and the biggest benefit? I love spending time with them.

The first taught me, when she got divorced and was introduced to her future husband by her ex, was that it is okay to love your wife, even when she gets remarried.

Life is so good, and our goals, besides being professional, is to help people get into businesses that are successful, homes that they can afford and love, and be the best parts of our communities.

Thanks again Carole.

Feb 12, 2010 12:55 PM
Kimberley Kelly, SFR, HAFA, GREEN
HK Lane, Christie's International Affiliate, 760-285-3578 - La Quinta, CA
I do Real Estate like I played polo-to WIN!

It is very difficult right now. La Quinta and the Coachella Valley in CA have been hit hard.  Sellers did not all buy in that booming time in 2005 and 2006 and many are able to sell, relocate and move on.  My Sales in 2008 fell off a cliff, recovered to a large degree in 2009 and in 2010 are starting strong.  Put one foot in front of the other..that's all anyone can do!  You sound like a very good realtor and person!

Feb 12, 2010 11:36 PM
Tony Anderson
Century 21 Community Realty - Clarkesville, GA
Serving Habersham Banks White & Stephens Counties

We need less Realtors in this state also.  There are too many.

Feb 13, 2010 12:25 AM
Joetta Fort
The DiGiorgio Group - Arvada, CO
Independent Broker, Homes Denver to Boulder

When I was in real estate school in 2001 (just before the terrorist attacks), the teacher said the market was entering a downturn. Everyone groaned, because we'd all missed the 'easy money' most thought was out there for real estate agents. But the teacher pointed out that if we can survive a tough market, many others will quit, and we'll be well positioned for the turnaround. And sure enough, he was right!

Feb 13, 2010 12:53 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

It is getting harder to be an agent anywhere.  My sales in 2009 equaled those of 2008 but I worked with a lot more people and put in a lot more offers.  The commissions were about 1/2 of the year before.

Feb 13, 2010 03:33 AM
Anonymous
Mark McKinney

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"Good Realtors"? I have been looking at northwest waterfront properties for the past 10 years or more and I have never met one. I was raised in Northern Idaho and it would be nice to meet a hard working local realtor. Most seem to be new to Idaho and do nothing more than what can be accomplished in a simple web search.

 

You blame the banks and the new administration the current real estate problems, but I would suggest that realtors are as much or more to blame than anyone. I just read your comments on how you think many of the waterfront properties were overpriced.  Who do you think came up with those original listing prices that you suggest are now so overpriced? Realtors’ sold those prices to their clients for years and now complain about the bubble that was created. I hope the market continues to decline to the point where perhaps the average Idaho resident and their children might have the chance to own a piece a waterfront again.

Feb 15, 2010 06:49 AM
#20
Shanna Hall
Real Estate Solutions - Kirkwood, MO
I love selling houses!!!St. Louis, MO 314-703-1311

Keep up the good work! 

Feb 15, 2010 11:55 PM
Karen Rittenhouse
www.JKKPropertyInvestors.com - Greensboro, NC
Real Estate Investor

Come on over to real estate investing.  The market is ripe.  It's no less work, but the reaping is far greater.

Feb 16, 2010 07:31 AM
Matt Robinson
Professional Investors Guild - Pensacola, FL
www.professionalinvestorsguild.com

Wow, after reading that post I thought about going out for a good cry.  But then I remembered that my business is booming like never before, so I just smiled and kept reading the comments.  It's obvious from most of the comments that all the fellow bellyachers joined in the conversation.  I'm sorry but i couldn't more wholeheartedly disagree with you. 

This is one of the best buying opportunities in decades, so I switched many of my marketing activities towards getting buyers and helping them capitilize on the tax credit.  This market abounds with short sales, so I switched my marketing to target those in foreclosure, and along with my high 80% success rate in short sales, I'm doing exceptionally well there too.

I feel for you because you are obviously questioning even staying in the business, but I think these downer posts do way more harm than good.  Obviously those who agree with you are joining in the chorus, but I choose to sing another (happier) tune.

Feb 19, 2010 02:31 PM