Lending Tree Scam: A Consumer Rip-Off

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How LendingTree Misleads the Loan Consumer

When it comes to lenders, mortgage progfessionals who broker loans have a distinct advantage over banks that are forced to use in-house lending options.

As a broker, I can set my own prices for the most part (meaning interest rate and closing costs).  In theory, I could give a client a wholesale deal with an interest rate and closing costs that would be impossible to beat.  I can also shop around for the best rates each and every different day.  For example, today I am locking my loans with a certain bank in Ohio; tomorrow, I may find something better elsewhere.

If I worked for a major bank, I would simply have to offer the consumer my bank's current going rate and closing costs.  My hands would be tied for the most part.

So when LendingTree came on the scene, I thought it was the greatest thing in the world...for me.

I thought that LendingTree would make me rich! I would sign up and then be the lowest-priced lender on the LendingTree network-- every single day.

I wouldn't make any huge commissions, but I could do volume.  A couple hundred loans per month, maybe! I could be a multi-millionaire by the end of the year!

I envisioned hiring a ton of office staff to take care of all of the loans that we would be stealing from the big banks.  At night, I would dream about it. 

Of course, I soon found all of this was just too good to be true. 

You see, why would any other lender sign up for LendingTree if I was going to be able to steal all of their business?  After all, a lender has to pay a small fortune to become part of the LendingTree network.  If any particular lender (bank or broker) resolved to be the lowest priced, every single day, LendingTree would lose all of the advertising revenue from the other banks.  And of course, LendingTree has to take care of their customers:  Meaning Lenders, of course

Oh, I'm sorry!  Did you think that the mortgage consumer was LendingTree's customers?  Certainly not.  It's a "free" service for consumers and it's the mortgage companies that butter the LendingTree bread.  Regardless of what their commercials imply, LendingTree does not care about you, the loan shopper.

Why should my competition pay LendingTree for "leads", when Arizona Mortgage would steal every lead, every day? 

That would just be silly. 

LendingTree would go out of business with only one monkey wrench thrown into the mix (me).

But that's not the way LendingTree works.  LendingTree isn't about giving people the best deal; LendingTree is about making the consumer think they are getting the best deal, while taking good care of their lenders that pay them.  And taking care of every lender equally, as I will explain.

Here's how it works:

1.  LendingTree boasts having a ton of lenders and they claim that you will get the best rate because "lenders compete for your business".  This is actually a half-truth.

You can see how many lenders actually work with LendingTree right here:  https://secure.lendingtree.com/stm3/Lenders/scorecard.asp

I didn't count them, but it looks like there are a few hundred retail lenders listed on the above page.  They aren't all licensed in every single state, but the last time I checked (I think it was early last year), there were about 30 lenders doing LendingTree business in Arizona.  I would guess that there are more than that now.

2.  When the consumer visits the site, he or she is told that they will get "up to 4" quotes from the LendingTree lenders.

Hmmmm...  Something doesn't compute here.  They have 30 (or probably more by now) lenders in Arizona, but you can only get quotes from "up to four"???  What kind of loan shopping is that?

3.  The consumer thinks, and it's easy to understand why, that they are getting the four best offers on the LendingTree network on that particular day.  But that isn't the case. 

There are certain lenders that would always be on the bottom when it comes to competing with other mortgage brokers.  That is, there are certain lenders who would always have the worst rates to offer. Of course, even lousy lenders get taken care of by the LendingTree.  After all, they paid...and they paid a lot.

In reality, the lenders are put into a rotation and given a chance to offer the best deal-- not to every single consumer-- but only when their numbers come up in the rotation. 

4.  So, the unknowing consumer gets 4 quotes, but they could be from the 4 worst-priced lenders on the LendingTree network, just by the "luck of the draw."confused about lending tree

Let's say there are 28 lenders in your state and one-- and only one-- can actually be the lowest.  If you are getting the maximum four quotes, that means you only have a one-in-seven chance of actually pulling the best-priced offer.  (28 lenders / 4 picks = a 1-in-7 chance.)

If there are 56 lenders in your state, you have a 1-in-14 chance of getting the best deal with LendingTree.  When you sign up, who knows where the best-rate company is buried in the rotation?  Will you actually get matched up with the best that day?  There is some possiblity that you might.  You know...like 1-in-14.

The home buyer / or refinancer is so excited to get "four competing quotes"; and he, or she, or they end up having to pick a lender from what could rightfully be the best-of-the-worst on that particular day.  The poor consumer ends up paying too much on most loans, literally.  Remember, there can only be one "lowest" on any given day and an exact tie is unlikely. 

Bottom line:  13-of-14 offers would not include the lowest priced lender, based on an availabity of 56 lenders per state and 4 lenders per offer.

If a state only has 30 available lenders in the pool (which is a conservative guess), you will have much better odds:  Then, only 6 in 7 leads would not include the lowest priced lender.  What a deal! 

To LendingTree, the rotation is the best business model to distribute loans amongst it's true customers:  Mortgage Companies. 

Doesn't sound like it's in the consumer's best interest, does it?

 

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Comments (65)

Sue Player
First Homestead Mortgage, LLC - Oyster Bay, NY

The best way for consumers to protect themselves from making poor financial moves is to educate themselves.  I recommend some great tools on my site pages: http://sueplayer.com/yourmoney.html and (especially for women): http://sueplayer.com/yourmoney/wealthforwomen.html It's shocking how little the average American learns about handling money in school.  We often don't learn it at home either.  This is something that needs to change, & I try to do something in that regard on my website & in my consultations with clients. 

Jul 24, 2007 03:25 AM
Bill Gillhespy
16 Sunview Blvd - Fort Myers Beach, FL
Fort Myers Beach Realtor, Fort Myers Beach Agent - Homes & Condos
Karen,  Very well presented analysis of this finance option !  You really have educated many of us with this post.  Again, thanks !
Jul 24, 2007 01:52 PM
Jim Little
Ken Meade Realty - Sun City, AZ
Your Sun City Arizona Realtor
Agents everywhere should start educating their clients to GET A GOOD FAITH ESTIMATE! After all of the bad press, going back to when movies were silent, you would think people would learn. Oh Well, there is one born every minute, or is it every second now?
Jul 26, 2007 05:53 AM
Karen Rice
Joseph J. O'Brien REALTOR Inc. - Greentown, PA
Northeast PA & Lake Wallenpaupack Home Sales

Wow, Karen, this is an awesome post.  I am going to reference it in a future blog, and also email it to my prospective buyers.

Karen R. 

Jul 26, 2007 06:24 AM
Sue Player
First Homestead Mortgage, LLC - Oyster Bay, NY

Jim Little is right, getting a Good Faith Estimate is very important.  I would add this:  Get 3 Good Faith Estimates (aka "GFE"'s).  Here's why: Some mortgage brokers make errors, or worse, they play around w/ the numbers.  For example, I once saw a GFE in which the homeowner's insurance was quoted at triple what the borrower should reasonably expect to pay per month.  This was apparently done to pad the monthly payment b/c the rate quoted was below market (it didn't exist).  Why would a broker do this?  Because he knew that once the borrower locked in at the real rate, the correct insurance would be less & take up less of the monthly payment, leaving room in the bottom line for the real monthly principal & interest.  So, once the borrower psychologically accepted a certain total montly payment, the rate change wouldn't bother him too much b/c the bottom line was the same.  So, by using a fake higher insurance part of the monthly payment, & a fake lower rate, the broker might be able to get his business!

How can you protect yourself from this nonsense?  Get at least 3 GFE's and compare them line by line.  Ask each mortgage broker or loan officer WHY they put a certain number in each line & have them justify their numbers.  If you get 3 that are almost identical line by line, they are probably fine.

Also, when you close, your closing statement, which lists all the itemized charges,  & is known as the HUD-1, should closely or exactly match line by line.  For example, if line 802 on your GFE says $500, line 802 on the HUD-1 should say $500 or close to it.

 

 

Jul 31, 2007 03:27 AM
Sue Player
First Homestead Mortgage, LLC - Oyster Bay, NY

I should add that if you are researching New York closing costs, my web page - a work in progress - can help clear up some terms:

http://sueplayer.com/aboutclosingcosts.html

 Hope this helps borrowers understand the process

 

Jul 31, 2007 03:29 AM
Shawn Gerhardson
Waterstone Mortgage NMLS#186434 - Cambridge, MN
Top Rated Mortgage Professional
Wow I knew that the place was joke but this just proves it. Buyer beware!
Jul 31, 2007 03:55 AM
Kris Krajecki
Kris Krajecki - FOX VALLEY MORTGAGE - Huntley, IL - Huntley, IL
Mortgage Broker Huntley, IL
I have never heard anything good about Lending tree...or ANY online brokers for that matter...
Jul 31, 2007 06:18 AM
Anonymous
basilnut

Hey, Just wanted to ad a comment about another big rip off, PRIVATE MORTGAGE INSURANCE.  My credit union in Columbia Sc hooked me up w/ a high priced pmi co. and sold the loan at closing.  The pmi won't drop the policy regardless of equity in the loan.  Have to also have a pmt history of about two yrs!!

 

 

Aug 03, 2007 10:43 PM
#54
Sue Player
First Homestead Mortgage, LLC - Oyster Bay, NY

Basilnut, I think you should take some time to read (or re-read) your closing documents very slowly.  There may or may not be a minimum amount of time you need to carry the pmi in South Carolina - sometimes there are laws that protect the consumer in your state.  Also, pmi normally drops off automatically after your loan balance reaches 80% of your purchase price, which typically takes 5 years if you make payments on time but don't prepay anthing.

 Here are some instances in which people generally don't pay pmi for 5 years:

1. You refinance your loan.  Technically, this is generally done by paying off the old mortgage & starting a new one.  When the old loan is paid off, that terminates the pmi for that loan.  If you have 20% or more equity in the house at the time you close on the new loan, pmi wouldn't be needed on the new mortgage.

2. You make substantial home improvements that change the market value of the house and you can document this (using receipts, home renovation contract, etc).  An appraisal with interior photos is normally needed, & costs several hundred dollars, but generally worth it.

3. The market value of your home goes up significantly before the 5 years is up.   An appraisal with interior photos is normally needed in this case also.  There may be a minimum of time to wait after purchase, like 1 or 2 years in your state, but it will normally take at least a few months for the value to rise substantially even in a hot market.

4.  You prepay your loan so that the balance reaches 80% of the purchase price early.  This is not easy for most people to do, although some are able.

5. A combination of #2, #3, & #4 has also been used to end pmi early.

 Of course, the lender will always consider the actual market value of the home in any event, & if the market value goes down during this time, it may not be possible to end pmi early.

The above does not constitute a legal opinion, just some general information you might find useful.  For a final opinion on your rights as a South Carolina homeowner, see an attorney for a legal opinion.  I hope this helps. 

 

Aug 06, 2007 03:16 AM
Anonymous
Anonymous
Mortgage brokers are used to competition, we just have a problem when it is not done openly & ethically (I'm not implying any legal violations on Lending Tree's part specifically, just know that they might be selling your info as a lead so the call you get from a loan officer might be from any where).  I actually look to get pricing very cheap for my customers so that they will return. And, the strategy is working now b/c most of my customers are repeats!
Sep 25, 2007 02:29 AM
#56
Tom Engelhardt
First Choice Mortgage - Ocala, FL
Karen, this is only one reason why. I can think of many more. LOL. Great post
Sep 25, 2007 02:58 AM
SEO Expert: Michael George
Phoenix, AZ
Real Estate and Law Firm SEO

"doug" -- I deleted your comment because it was...well, it didn't make any sense.  If you actually want to read my article, and tell me where I am mistaken-- go right ahead. 

If you just want to bash me because you don't know what the hell you are talking about, save your comments for your own blog.  You can write all about how great lending tree is, even though this post clearly points out the flaws in the system.  Jealousy has nothing to do with it.  My knowledge of mortgage brokering is what drove this post.

Sep 26, 2007 03:38 AM
James Hershiser
RELC, Inc. - East Irvine, CA
Loan Officer for RELC, Inc.
Great post, Karen.  I suspected this was how LT worked: it seemed to me the only way it COULD work for them, logically.  Caveat Emptor Online...
Sep 26, 2007 11:33 AM
Anonymous
Feel Your Pain
I was recently transferred to LT from another internal department. Your post is on point and I totally agree with the process you described. How do people that call in "know" they are getting the best rate? I would agree with your readers that people are not educated and it is very apparent with the subprime meltdown. You would not believe the disparity the customers I talk too facing imminent foreclosure. I would like to clarify what I do for consumers that call in. The approach I take is to educate the consumer with the basics. I know we are motivated to sell, sell, sell but cmon. It's not fair to customers to try to complete a form with no hope of getting matched up with lenders with no knowledge of getting their "house" in order. So, I answer questions and implore the customer to check with other lenders for "competing" rates since it will only reflect as one inquiry on their credit report (soft sell). Don't just stick with what we offer. Shop around. But, alas, some customers are in a dire situation and I feel like I am a counselor than trying to sell our products. I think it is a shame for someone in your position to help is not considered by us as well.
Oct 03, 2007 03:01 AM
#60
Elizabeth Nieves
The Elizabeth Nieves Realty Group - Durham, NC
Bilingual Raleigh - Durham North Carolina Real Estate Team
I have been telling my clients about this scam for years! I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who realizes. :-)
Oct 03, 2007 03:48 AM
Karen Rice
Joseph J. O'Brien REALTOR Inc. - Greentown, PA
Northeast PA & Lake Wallenpaupack Home Sales

Mr. Lawrence, I wish I could flag your comment for spam.  It is poor etiquette to post links to your own site in someone else's blog.

 

Apr 06, 2008 03:31 PM
Rebecca Fisher
Winter Haven, FL

Way late to the party...

We used to own a title abstracting company back in DE. Lending Tree wanted us to service them, but wanted US to pay for the priviledge! The wanted US to give them a credit card number and would ever so magnanimously charge US $X.xx per search at the end of the month. And they wanted us to manually input the search info rather than fax the report.

We told them to kiss monkey butt.

Becky in FL

Nov 19, 2009 12:32 PM
Craig Grella
CreativeREO - Nashville, TN

I've used lendingtree and believe they provide a great service. I didn't have to speak with any brokers trying to sell me on their particular offers, or their fees, and in less than 24 hours from putting my info online I had several offers from lenders, which were all very competitive with the programs local lenders were quoting us.

Closed the loan in just over 30 days, and it could not have been an easier system to use. Several of my family members have also used them after our experience, and their experience was similar.

Mar 30, 2010 02:37 AM
Maggie Dokic | Miami, FL | 888.883.8509 X101
eXp Realty LLC - Miami, FL
GREEN, CDPE, SFR, Pinecrest | Palmetto Bay |

Well this is enlightening.  They certainly have quite a little scam going there, don't they?

Aug 03, 2010 12:11 AM

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