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So You Found a Lender I Did Not Recomend?

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In our current market many of the lenders who made our life miserable have gone away.  Unfortunately, a few of them still remain.  That is why buyers should stick to lenders who have earned a good reputation with their agent.  Invariably, however, they find a "fantastic loan officer I did not know about."

The transaction I closed yesterday convinced me we still have toxic lenders.  When I wrote the offer for the buyer they were working with a very reputable and skilled, local lender whose card I had provided along with a couple of others.  As soon as the contract was accepted the lender abruptly changed to another lender.  I thought that was a little odd but it does happen.

Even though the buyer gave the new lender permission to share information with me, I was not getting updates.  I knew the appraiser had had time to complete his report so I called the lender to check on any requirements.  I was informed the report had come in a few days before and there were requirements the seller was taking care of.  That seemed really strange and initially I thought the lender was communicating with the listing agent rather than with me, the buyer's agent.  I did not want to rock the boat so I politely asked the loan officer to please keep me a little better informed.

I continued to check back with the lender but never got really good response.  This was very frustrating.  The lender kept assuring me there was not going to be a problem.  Two days before closing the lender sent me an e-mail stating that we were not going to close until two days after the contract close date and that the buyer was just going to rent the house from the owner.  Needless to say, I was shocked.  Again, I thought the listing agent was the culprit.  I called the listing agent only to learn that he didn't know anything about this arrangement either.

Now the listing agent and I are both wondering how this was happening since neither one of us were in favor of occupancy prior to closing situations.  I called the lender and after this conversation the picture got quite clear.  I was informed that one of the two owners of the property worked in the bank with the loan officer.  The loan officer had been sharing information about this loan with the owner of the property from the time the application had been made.  This owner had access to all the buyer's account information at the bank but the buyer was never aware of this connection.  The lender had communicated the appraisal requirements directly to the owner, by-passing both agents.  The lender had also negotiated an early occupancy between the seller and the buyer.  I believe that falls under the category of practicing real estate without a license at the very least.

When I pointed out to the lender we could not do an early occupancy agreement with rent money without sending it back to the underwriter and requiring another 3-day disclosure wait she replied that it could be just between the seller and buyer.  Isn't that mortgage fraud?

This lender had also submitted the loan package to the underwriter with a deposit verification with a figure different from what was indicated on the application and so underwriting kicked it back.  The lender said she did not think underwriting would be so "picky."  She also failed to send the disclosures required by RESPA until after the deadline required prior to closing after having a month to get that job done.

After a very anxiety ridden few days, this purchase was finally closed.  The lender attended closing but failed to bring the check to closing for the loan so the transaction still could not be funded.  I have lost count of the infractions this lender is guilty of.  Just because I did not give you their card does not mean I don't know about them.  This should be a lesson not to use lenders whose information your agent has not provided for you.  We have done business with these people before.  We know the dangers that lie ahead of you.

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Kenny Salame
All Western Mortgage Broker # 14210 - Las Vegas, NV
NMLS ID 313873

Rita,

Unfortunately even in today's decline of mortgage officers there still lingers some bad apples. The same is true for some Real Estate agents that do not respond to e-mails or phone calls. I'm sure you have met a few of these as well. All professions you will meet people that cannot tie their shoes and others you love to work with because they can get the job done. Loan officers are easy prey for ridicule but like Jim Smith pointed out every day we have guideline changes from government agencies, lenders, that can and will sometimes change how we package the loan.

Mar 04, 2010 01:23 AM
Bernie Neuhaus
Freedom Mortgage Inc - Brick, NJ

Rita,

I see and hear these same stories from realtors in my area as well, and im sorry for the situation you've just been thru. I'm a LO for a direct lender not a broker and the majority of our business is purchase business from realtor referrals. Our reputation in our market place is excellent and gets better everyday. We have on numerous occasions been the go to lender for saving deals such as yours. I have plenty of deals in my pipeline as we speak and reguardless of the rules and regs changing on a daily business we still strive to maintain the highest level of customer service. 30 day closings are done by my company everyday and are still the norm.

Jim, in regards to your comment (Please, Rita, you sound like a nice lady, go into one of your good wholesalers (not a Bank) (remember, banks are exempt from the Loan officer licensing right now) and ask them how different it is now that it was just 3 years ago, and try to have a little more patience.  For the MOST part, the bad actors in the mortgage business are gone, back to selling cars.) that is a partial truth. I am an LO for a direct retail lender, not a wholesaler and we absolutely are subject to the new Loan Officer testing as im going for mine at the end of the month. What you stated is a rumor and not fact as i have a personal friend of mine thats an LO with Wachovia and he was required to get licensed as well.

Luckily due to our reputation in our area our realtor database is growing daily and i must say its an awesome feeling when one of my realtors introduces me to one of there realtor friends and i hear from them...so your the gentlemen ive been hearing so much about, when can we get together and discuss doing business with one another. Myself and the other LO's i work attend all of our closings personally, as well as attend our referral agents open houses on Sunday's and also sponsor and attend broker's open houses during the week. My staff and myself dont just drive around once a week and drop off coffee, donuts and business cards and then sit and wait for the phone to ring. We look for ways to earn the referrals from local agents and then service them to the absolute best of our ability.

Best of luck with your future transactions and blogs suck as these are a perfect thing to show future clients as to help them avoid these types of things.

Bernie

Mar 04, 2010 01:28 AM
Rita Hodges
Springfield, MO
CRS, GRI - Seller & Buyer Consultant

Dear Jim,

I can be a "nice lady."  However, when that does not work I have no problem with being the other kind of lady.

You really should not assume.  I did fail to mention the LO had over 60-days to process this file.  The change she had to make the new disclosure for occurred 30-days before the scheduled closing - ten times the length of time required by RESPA for disclosure.  The LO, by her own admission, just didn't send the disclosures.  The new RESPA requirements are uncomfortable for all of us but the playing field is level.  Unfortunately, this LO works for a bank and will not be required to get a license.  I have the utmost respect for LO's who diligently perform their job with a high level of competency.  Those LO's make me look really great.  I carry their cards and have them on my speed dial.  I give their names to everyone.  If I get stuck with a LO of the buyer's choosing who screws up everything from beginning to end, this witch flys again - no appologies for what happens.  I really hope I help that person become so uncomfortable in their position they make a career change to something they are better suited for.

Rita (51% vs 49% lady)

Mar 04, 2010 01:49 AM
Bernie Neuhaus
Freedom Mortgage Inc - Brick, NJ

As long as there are no hooks, or stories, or issues and you have a clean application, and have your proof of income, assets to close, correctly signed and executed contract and all your ducks in a row 30 day closings as still the normal. If your lender cant get it done within 30 days you need to find out why not. Granted if the deal had out of the normal stips then thats different. I to am happy to see the licensing procedure and it is long overdue. Accountability had been on ongoing problem thats about to be resolved. All LO's should be subject to licensing as should processor's be (which will be next you watch)

Mar 04, 2010 01:50 AM
Kabir Mahadeva
Asheville, NC
Alpha Mortgage www.kabirm.com, NMLS #182829

Rita,

Licensing won't prevent poor customer service and unethical behavior.  The end-around performed by this LO merits your calling it to the attention of the upper management of the bank, if not your state banking commission.  You are in the Show-Me State, after all; Show Them you mean business.

Jim Smith is correct that lending has become extremely complex.  Investors (lenders) update their guidelines several times a day!  They tighten ratios, disallow aspects of transactions that they allowed a week ago, and sometimes actually publish new guidelines which contradict other guidelines or make no sense.  However, none of this is an excuse for lack of professional conduct.

Assuming everyone cooperates and is well-organized, we can and will close loans in 10 business days, if necessary.  It helps a lot if the buyers applied before they went to contract (so all the documentation is already collected), the appraiser is ordered by the lender (no AMCs), and the underwriting, processing, and closing is done in-house.

If your clients like and trust you, you must position the lender choice as an extension of the excellent service you provide, and make it clear that you and the lender take a team approach to bringing the transaction to a close.

You might want to explain to your buyers that, if they don't use a lender you recommend, they will suffer the consequences of the other lender's potential lack of accountability.   

If your client insists on their choice (I have loyal clients who may change realtors but they don't change their LO!), why not invite that LO to meet with you briefly, and interview them.    And if any LO is crazy enough to turn down a meeting initiated by a Realtor, you know something is very wrong and tell your client of your concern.

If the LO meets with you, you might find that the other LO is really great, and would like to add him or her to your team.  Now it's a win-win.

And here is an absolutely fail-safe test for any lending source: if they don't proactively keep you in the loop, from the day the client applies and onward, they are not worthy of doing business with.

Mar 04, 2010 02:01 AM
Joetta Fort
The DiGiorgio Group - Arvada, CO
Independent Broker, Homes Denver to Boulder

Did you report his actions to his supervisors?  Regardless of what regulations he is or is not subject to, I doubt that upper management at the bank would be happy with the actions of either of his employees.

Mar 04, 2010 02:06 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Wow, how about the sharing of the buyers info with the seller? Surpised you didn't have problems magically disappear with the appraisal too on this deal.

Mar 04, 2010 03:20 AM
Cari Anderson
Danville, CA

Rita: the poster above can say all he wants but there is absolutely NO reason what happened with your deal should've happened.Did you speak to the LO's supervisor? What an absolute scary transaction. I was an Underwriter for 13 years and I've seen some really strange stuff but this takes the cake.

As for recommending your trusted lenders to buyers, you know what they say about leading a horse to water. Sorry for your nightmare. Hope you have smooth transactions the rest of the year! Take care.

Mar 04, 2010 03:40 AM
Ben Yost - 303-587-4297
First Time Home Buyer, Mortgage Rates, Pre-Approval - Denver, CO
FHA, VA, Conventional - Mortgage Loans in De

Sorry, Rita sounds like you ran into a Very Bad Apple!

I'm still closing loans in under 30 days- Just closed a 203ks in that time Frame. Depends on who you work with!

Just an FYI:

If Realtors are giving out multiple Loan Officers cards to your clients- say 3. You will still never receive great service from them.

Reason is you will never be a priority to them, like a Realtor who only gives their card out exclusively!

If you are not loyal to any one loan officer- why would they be loyal to you?

Lenders of course will never say this to you directly, but it is always talked about at our offices!

I have a Lead to give out: do I give it to the Realtor that gives my name out along with two others- so that I'm fighting others for the deal until the day it closes or do I give to the Realtor that only uses me?

I have two Voicemails, who gets called back first? I have two loans.. You get the idea!

That's why I will not even work with a Realtor that does the three card thing, because it is not fair to the Realtor or their clients! 

Myth: I have to give out 3 Cards! Wrong you need to do what is in the best interest of the client!

Also, because of the Internet, they have usually talked to 2-3 Lenders, any how- before they get to you.

That is why every big hitter that I know of- only uses one Lender!

Having said that I get about 2-3 Transfer files a month from the Loan officers that can't do what they promised- so they are still out there!

Thanks, for sharing!

 

Mar 04, 2010 03:52 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

I am having an issue with a bad lender right now and the buyer is my sister.  Every time I tell her something she tells me what the lender said and a cringe.  So far not documents or prequals have been sent to me as requested.

Mar 04, 2010 03:52 AM
Kerry Jenkins
Prime Properties - Crestline, CA

I think some of you are missing the point of her blog. The LO in her transaction was going directly to the seller because they had a relationship.  That should violate all sorts of privacy laws and ethics.  They should be going to the buyer and to the buyer's agent instead of to their friend who is the seller.  I would certainly file a complaint against her for her lack of communication and for that type of behavoir.  She isn't in the position to be negotiating rent-back agreements at all.  That would seem to be transacting real estate without a license to me.  You go girl!

Mar 04, 2010 04:17 AM
Susan Thompson-Solomons
Monument Sotheby's International Realty - Solomons, MD
Southern MD Real Estate-Solomons Specialist

This lender totally violated the relationship with their client and privacy laws - and then there's fraud thrown in. A lot of mention of not understanding what lenders are dealing with in some of these comments. This post isn't about that - it's about ethics. It's also about how ethics could have meant the difference between a deal that goes and doesn't - fortunately worked out violations and all. Someone should take the violations next - pretty serious.

Mar 04, 2010 05:25 AM
Christopher Pataki
RE/MAX Associates - Hockessin, DE
Hockessin Delaware Real Estate

I think that this lender is not long for the market.  Not being able to make the simple things go smoothly only makes me feel confident that there is no way they will be able to keep expenses intact between GFE and settlement.  If these new rules do one thing, it will cleanse the industry of toxic lenders..................chris

Mar 04, 2010 05:27 AM
Mark Warner
RealEspace - Plano, TX

Rita-

Your post was excellent and, as a mortgage professional, made me once again shake my head at those in lending who give the industry a bad name.

The points you raised are one more reason, in my mind, that bringing mortgage professionals and real estate agents together through co-branding opportunities is a good idea.   Working together, they ensure that borrowers don't have experiences like the one you describe here.

Realtors are on the front lines.  They're the ones that people who want to buy or sell a home are going to look for first-and odds are it will be online.   If you're able to provide lending information from a loan officer you personally know and trust on or through your site, odds are your buyers will work with that lender.    Likewise, loan officers who may be contacted for pre-quals have the opportunity to promote a real estate agent who has a proven track record, and who is committed to keeping the lines of communication open. 

This kind of situation isn't just win-win.  It's win-win-win-the buyer, the loan officer and the real estate agent all walk away feeling great.

I'd love to talk to you about this more, Rita, to ensure that this situation never happens to you or your clients again. 

Again-thanks for the great post.

Mar 04, 2010 07:54 AM
Stephanie McCarty
McCarty Homes - Canton, GA
REALTOR

I feel your pain.   Buyers look at me like I am getting a kick back or something when I tell them it's important to work with a lender we know.   I don't care which one and even when you explain that we just want to be certain that things are done correctly and on time, they think we have other motives, quite often.

I had a listing under contract to close by Thanksgiving 2009.  Buyer using bank I never heard of.   She had a preapproval letter, a strong one.  I FINALLY convinced my seller to allow me to put the house back on the market and terminate the contract just two weeks ago - can you believe that?   No matter what I said, no matter that my predictions were coming true left and right, my seller kept believing all of the bizarre stories that this lender was handing out.   The lender was calling and emailing my seller directly - where do they get off?  

Yea, not fun when you have a pending deal and no way of knowing if the lender really has a clue.

Mar 04, 2010 11:51 PM
Lee Walsh
SecurityNational Mortgage - Lake Mary, FL
Executive Talent Scout for Mortgage Professionals

Why are some of you mortgage people crying about how tough it is?

Name one sector in our industry that doing business has become easier for.

Rita's buyers had a bad loan officer. The LO's interfering in the sales process and lack of communication with the others involved in the transaction is inexcusable.

All of the regulation in the world will not get rid of bad loan officers (or bad real estate agents).

Rita my advice is to refuse to work with borrowers who use that mortgage company and let their management know about it.

 

Mar 04, 2010 11:54 PM
Marte Cliff
Marte Cliff Copywriting - Priest River, ID
Your real estate writer

Every profession has good ones and bad ones... even mortgage lending.

Years ago I had both sides of a transaction and both the buyer and seller were out of state. The lender was semi-local. (Next town over.) The buyer wasn't getting any information and both the buyer and seller were calling me trying to find out what was happening with the loan. This was in the days when we all paid for long distance phone calls and both of them were getting angry at having to make so many calls to learn nothing.

So, I kept calling the lender, but she refused to return the calls. All I could do was call the buyer and seller and tell them I didn't have anything to tell them.

Finally, after about 3 weeks the lender called the buyers and said "Will you tell your damn realtor to get off my back."

Needless to say, we steered our buyers clear of that one in the future!

Mar 05, 2010 04:50 PM
Joy Carter & Jeff Booker Brother and Sister Team
Keller Williams Parkland/Coral Springs Realty-GreatFloridaHomes Team - Coral Springs, FL
Trust Your Family's Move To Our Expertise!

We tell our clients that our preference is to work with someone we recommend and someone that respects the way business should be done.

The biggest reason is when their lender of choice does not come through for them, there is nothing we can do.  We usually have pull with our own lenders because of the solid relationship we've established with mutual respect.

Most of the time they listen to us and all goes well.  When they don't we are never surprised with the grief the client gets from their lender of choice.  Joy

Mar 06, 2010 12:55 AM
Lee Walsh
SecurityNational Mortgage - Lake Mary, FL
Executive Talent Scout for Mortgage Professionals

Jim - first... you should consider getting an AR account so you can post about your problems with agents.

I was commenting on the facts as Rita explained them. Yours just seems to be a general gripe. 

We all have had those calls from others in the transaction asking for fee concessions. All fees are negotiable - My answers is always that I will match you - cut your by 30% and so will I.  That usually ends the conversation.

Mar 06, 2010 01:14 AM
Matt Robinson
Professional Investors Guild - Pensacola, FL
www.professionalinvestorsguild.com

I'm sure we could all tell some stories about terrible lenders negatively affecting sales.  I aboslutely CRINGE anytime a buyer says they found their own lender, especially when they found them on the INTERNET!!!

Jul 17, 2010 03:40 AM