Toyota ~ Cut Out The Hype ~ Fix The Problem

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Real Estate Agent


It is troubling that 60+ Toyota owners claim their cars are not fixed.  Toyota issued the largest recall in history. 

 

  • Uncontrolled acceleration has killed over 30 people and injured scores more.


It came to light during testimony before Congress that Toyota may have withheld critical documents from litigants.  Those documents would indicate Toyota was aware of the problem much earlier than they have admitted. 

 

  • The companies lack of timely response is quite evident, and may have led to the death of owners, after the company was informed.


We are seeing "warm and fuzzy" commercials from Toyota every day.  These commercials promise the company's focus is total customer satisfaction.  Toyota claims they are working 24/7 to repair recalled vehicles and restore their company image and faith in their products. 

  • Cut the hype Toyota and fix these cars or buy them back from owners. 


This is one case the government should get involved to protect the American public.  Make Toyota buy back these death wagons. 

 

  • Why should anyone be forced to pay for something that has the potential of killing them?


Reports are now surfacing that vehicles "fixed" under this recall still have the same acceleration issues.

  • Toyota is spending millions of dollars in TV advertising.  They are offering generous incentives to sell their 2010 models.  Are you willing to trust them? 


We've experienced model recalls before.  The infamous Ford Bronco II is an example.  In the past, dangerous vehicles have been limited to a specific model. 

  • Almost every model Toyota manufactures including the luxury Lexus may be a death trap on wheels.



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Comments (29)

Broker Nick
South Florida Real Estate & Development, Inc. - Coconut Creek, FL
Broker Nick Relocation Broker Service

Congratulations this post is now featured in the Silent Majority Group of Active Rain.

Mar 05, 2010 01:20 PM
John Mosier
Realty ONE Group Mountain Desert - Prescott, AZ
Prescott's Patriot Agent 928 533-8142

There is more to this story than the cars and the behavior of the Toyota executives. Do you know that Toyota is manufactured in RIGHT TO WORK states? I completely believe this investigation is, at least in part, a vendetta against Toyota as a favor to the labor unions.

Before Real Estate, I worked for Haliburton, the company that Dick Cheney ran for several years. Haliburton was THE Company in Duncan, OK, my home town. Haliburton had a profit sharing plan that paid sometimes as much as a 30% profit sharing BONUS to EVERY employee. Sometime around 1980, the UAW managed to organize the large, modern manufacturing plant in Duncan. After that work orders stopped coming to the plant and the jobs went away. A friend who had a great job running numerical controlled mills has worked as a school bus driver ever since.

I believe the busting of the union there is one of the main reasons Dick Cheney is so hated by the Left.

It is possible that there are big problems with the cars, but I believe this situation is also being blown out of proportion as a favor to the labor unions.

Mar 05, 2010 01:44 PM
John Mosier
Realty ONE Group Mountain Desert - Prescott, AZ
Prescott's Patriot Agent 928 533-8142

Here is a portion of an e-mail that I got.  Sorry, I could not find the whole article.

Meanwhile, here's the real story you won't generally see reported: Toyota is being singled out by the congressional majority because its employees have rejected unionization. Ford Motor Company recalled some 4 million cars last year alone (Toyota's recall has so far been limited to 650,000 cars).

- The defective gas pedals and floor mats Congress is squawking about are actually entirely American-made! In part to appease the politicians over the years, Toyota subcontracted their construction to U.S.-based companies.

To do business in the United States, Toyota has paid significant tribute to the political left which is now thanklessly savaging them. For example, Investor's Business Daily notes Toyota has played ball and knuckled under to Jesse Jackson's race-baiting corporate shakedowns, giving him and other left-wing extortionists the lion's share of $7.8 billion for handouts to his favorite liberal groups. Because Toyota has based its operations in states with lower tax rates and Right to Work laws, disallowing forced unionism, the powers-that-be in Washington are out to get them.

Obama's Secretary of Transportation Ray LaHood, has actually advised Americans not to drive Toyotas. Toyota insiders says the LaHood attack is especially irksome because "massive government support for Detroit automakers," Toyota's competitors, is already damaging their business. One Republican familiar with how Congressional hearings are intended to steamroll Toyota told The Washington Post: "Democrats in Washington are clearly trying to move legislation that would be very damaging to that industry."

Even the left-leaning Post had an editorial in recent days warning Democrats not to go too far in bashing Toyota! Mississippi governor Haley Barbour (whose state benefits from a large number of high-quality Toyota jobs) also just penned an article in the Wall Street Journal warning Congress to stop its selective outrage against such a large U.S. employer – lest they take their businesss elsewhere.

At minimum, the Toyota bashing, double-standards, and double-dealing by the U.S. government sends a message to the world: Do business in America at your own peril. The Toyota scenario points up the reality that Big Government kooks in Washington are hell-bent on wrecking the U.S. economy to the point that millions more Americans will likely be added to the poverty rolls before all this cycles out.

Expect new foreign investors increasingly to steer clear of America, and expect existing ones to de-emphasize U.S. markets in their asset allocations.

Mar 05, 2010 02:05 PM
Lane Bailey
Century 21 Results Realty - Suwanee, GA
Realtor & Car Guy

Sorry, but Toyota has gotten a pass for years on their issues...  Did you know that they had spare tires falling out of trucks because the frames were rusting? 

This time, the problem is likely to be software, but they don't want to admit that because they can't blame it on an outside supplier...

Mar 05, 2010 02:20 PM
Wallace S. Gibson, CPM
Gibson Management Group, Ltd. - Charlottesville, VA
LandlordWhisperer

Well said John, well said.  Stop the bashing of an excellent US employer WHO ACTUALLY EMPLOYEES US citizens. These jobs could go to Canada!!!

Mar 05, 2010 05:00 PM
Joseph Keech
Blue Atlantic Properties - Leland, NC

We have SO many local commercials from Toyota talking about "recall". "Recall" how Toyota employs Americans, "Recall" this and "Recall" that....  Very aggravating to hear it every 5 minutes. Toyota, hopefully, will fix their mess and life will continue. If they covered up stuff, it needs to come out and people need to go to jail.

Mar 05, 2010 10:36 PM
Bonnie Vaughan
Scranton, PA
CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin

Wallace, You and I have a different opinion on this.  They may have stopped production, but they have not stopped selling Toyotas that are on the car lots.  They are advertising special financing deals to sell them off.  The cars on the lots are as likely to be faulty as the ones already sold.  Stopping production does not stop more dangerous cars from being put on the road.

You mention Ford Pinto.  In total 27 people died between 1971 and 1980 because of exploding gas tanks in a rear end collision.  It was clearly a design flaw.

How many models did Ford produce at the time?  One model was dangerous ONLY under certain circumstances.  It did not burst into flames for no reason.

The Ford Bronco II had a high center of gravity. About 70 people a year were killed.  Most all rollovers were highway related.  The car did not cause the death. It was as much driver error as design flaw. Today, people are making driving errors which result in rollovers of SUV'S and  mini vans. 

I've driven a Ford Bronco II.  The minute I turned the first corner I knew it had a high center of gravity.  I also knew I had to adjust my driving to compensate for it.  Steer - counter steer - stay off the brake.

The Bronco II did not flip over on its own. Again, how many models did Ford produce at the time?  Only one model was affected.

Every tractor-trailer has a high center of gravity. How many are on the road nationally every day?  Many rollover every year due to driver error. How many times has Washington traffic been snarled due to a rolled over TT on an exit ramp?  Most TT drivers know how to avoid it.

The most recent number I found was that 56 people have been killed in Toyota - accelerator related crashes.  More than double the number killed in the Ford Pinto.  Pintos were produced for 9 years. The Toyotas recalled were produced between 2007 -2010.  3 years verses 9 years.

This does not take into account the number of people who survived crashes and were severely injured.  The problem is HUGE.  The deaths were not restricted to one model.  There are at least 9 models, including your Lexus which are faulty.  The entire PRODUCT LINE is tainted.

The Toyota deaths were not restricted to either a "crash" circumstance or driver error.   The car spontaneously went out of control without driver action.

Look at some of these crash photos - they are horrific.

http://aaronandmoses.blogspot.com/2010/02/at-least-56-people-died-from-toyota.html

We ban cribs and car seats from being sold because they are likely to cause a death to the occupant. These cars not only endanger their occupants, but every other person on the road with them. 

Toyota admits it DOES NOT KNOW what the problem is.  Ban them from being sold until the problem is both identified and a fix is proven to be effective.

 

Mar 05, 2010 11:21 PM
Bonnie Vaughan
Scranton, PA
CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin

Hugh,  the problem was public before the GM take over.  There have been lawsuits over the design problem.  Toyota withheld evidence during the discovery process.  Any manufacturer who does that should be fined to the hilt.  It is also perjury.  That's jail time.

Mar 05, 2010 11:23 PM
Bonnie Vaughan
Scranton, PA
CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin

Larry, Toyota is NOT doing what they should do.  They are still selling cars and making false claims in their TV ads.

The wrecked cars and the 60 people own, who claim are still faulty after repair, need to be tested.  That is the only way to isolate the problem. 

CONFISCATE THE CARS WITH KNOWN PROBLEMS AND TEST THEM INDEPENDENTLY.  Do not allow Toyota to do it.  Toyota tested 6.  That was not enough of a sample to come up with a valid conclusion.

Mar 05, 2010 11:28 PM
Bonnie Vaughan
Scranton, PA
CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin

Thank you for the feature Nick.

I am very concerned about this problem.  Perhaps my prior background comes into play here.  I was a Certified Accident Reconstructionist and expert witness in the transportation industry.  I've worked for both Plaintiff and Defendant counsel.

We are not getting the entire story from Toyota.  Things do not add up.

Mar 05, 2010 11:34 PM
Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate

Bonnie, I rarely disagree with you, but in this case I do.

I have driven a Lexus for 8 years, different ones. I needed an oil change last week and when I called in to schedule, they asked me if I had received a recall notice.

I told them yes and they said ok we will do that when you are here.

How long does it take?

About 2 1/2 hours.

I told them I was a REALTOR and needed a loaner do do business, so they said no problem and I have one.

My husband was at one time a Value Consultant for Ford, guess which car they tore apart to study?

The Lexus RS 300.

If you look at the stat's you will see they have had LESS problems than the company owned by us for many years.

IMO it is all about unionizing the company.

Mar 05, 2010 11:47 PM
Bonnie Vaughan
Scranton, PA
CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin

John,  Read my comment to Wallace regarding the comparison of deaths verses the number of years of production. I also compare the most notorious US cars that were eliminated from product lines, due to design flaws.  Both of those cars came out of Union shops.

I have to respectfully disagree this is a union issue or any kind of payback.  GM has assembly plants in Canada and Mexico. They are not union. (never buy one that was produced in Mexico)

I live in a Right to Work State. That does not stop unions from operating.  My husbands company has been forced to take a Union vote at least 3 times in the last 22 years that I know about.  The company can fend off the union because of their pay rate and benefit packages.

Most of our Supermarkets are staffed by Union workers. It is the worker who controls whether the shop becomes union or not.  The state has no bearing on it.

 

Mar 05, 2010 11:51 PM
Bonnie Vaughan
Scranton, PA
CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin

John,  In response to your second comment.  Neither replacing the floor mats nor the alleged part has eliminated the problem. 

60 cars that were recently "fixed" in the recall still have the problem.

Mar 05, 2010 11:53 PM
Bonnie Vaughan
Scranton, PA
CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin

Lane,  I agree with you that it is a software issue.  I believe it may be connected to the cruise control feature. If you activate cruise control and accelerate rapidly via the button - the accelerator depresses to the floor until the desired speed is reached.  It then levels off when you set the speed.

That is the same action described by survivors who experienced the sudden acceleration.  The pedal went to the floor - but stayed there.

I often leave my cruise control in the "on" position and just forget to shut it off.  It is not activated because I have not set a speed. It's in a "waiting" mode.  I leave it that way in the event I want to use it quickly - like when a cop gets behind me.

I wonder if other drivers forget the button is in the "on" position - which may have some bearing on how this problem is being initiated.  I'd like to know what the button position was on the wrecked cars.  As a reconstructionist, that is one thing that would be high on my list to investigate.

That would also explain why some cars do it and some do not.  Many drivers never use cruise control the entire time they own a car.  Those drivers would not experience the problem.

Mar 06, 2010 12:03 AM
Bonnie Vaughan
Scranton, PA
CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin

Joseph, I agree with you 100%.  Stop brainwashing.  Find out what the problem is.  Fix it.

Mar 06, 2010 12:04 AM
Bonnie Vaughan
Scranton, PA
CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin

Missy,  We can agree to disagree. We are approaching this problem from two different vantage points.

I'll mention my background again.  I have more than 20 years experience in commercial Transportation.  I was a Safety Director for a Fortune 500 company.  I had responsibility for 2500 commercial vehicles and 6,000 driver in 178 locations. I mentioned previously in a comment I was a Certified Accident Reconstructionist for motor vehicles up to and including Tractor Trailers, and a qualified expert witness.

Our company vehicles were "custom made". The company designed them and sent the blueprints to specialized manufacturers. If I mentioned the name of the company you would know it instantly. They have a branch not far from where you are located.

I had to investigate all accidents - fortunately, most were not fatalities.  Over the years I discovered many design flaws which caused accidents or operating failures.

The way you find the problem - tear apart the vehicle that was in the accident.

Toyota hired a so-called "independent" company to investigate. It was fluff only to cover their rear.  They "selected" 6 cars.  None of the 6 cars displayed a problem prior to being turned over for investigation. Yes, the Lexus was included. The company deliberately "hand picked" the cars.

8 million Toyotas worldwide have been recalled.  The test sample Toyota used was inadequate.

http://www.manufacturing.net/News-Lawmakers-Want-More-Toyota-Acceleration-Details-030510.aspx

Sorry, that is not how it is done.  A doctor cannot diagnose an illness unless the patient displays symptoms.  The same theory applies here.

By the way, have you ever gone to the dealer with an intermittent problem or noise?  The stock response is - "we can't find anything unless the vehicle does it on a road test".  I guarantee you, whether it is Toyota, GM or Ford you will get the identical response from every service department unless the problem is so glaring they can't miss it or it shows up on the computer codes.

I watched the Congressional hearings.  One woman who testified about her experience had a new Lexus.  They are involved in the problem as well.

There is one theory being floated that the vehicles might be subject to electro magnetic interference.  You experience problems with some electronic equipment like radar detectors and cell phones when you pass through certain areas of high interference.  All modern cars are electronically operated.

Just for my information - do you use cruise control?  If so, do you leave it in the "on" position, or do you put it in the off position when you are finished using it?

Mar 06, 2010 12:51 AM
Lane Bailey
Century 21 Results Realty - Suwanee, GA
Realtor & Car Guy

John... it isn't 650,000 cars, it is 8,000,000...  Big difference. 

Bonnie, I have to stick up for Toyota for a moment...  8m cars, 60 deaths.  Not really a high percentage.  I have a feeling that the issue is software related and involves a corrupt file.  I would also bet that the chances of getting one in the sample for a test is like a lightning strike.  Even if it was 600 cars, I would bet the cars would test out...  Getting one before an accident would be pure luck.

Mar 06, 2010 12:50 PM
Missy Caulk
Missy Caulk TEAM - Ann Arbor, MI
Savvy Realtor - Ann Arbor Real Estate

Bonnie, I only use cruise control on road trips and yes we turn it off when not in use.

Mar 07, 2010 10:37 AM
Bonnie Vaughan
Scranton, PA
CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin

Lane,  the test should be done on a car that was in an accident or one that currently displays the problem.

Just randomly selecting cars will not work. I agree it is like a lightening strike.  If it is a software problem, then all cars with the software should be corrupt.  They are not.

It could be an employee on an assembly line inadvertently making a mistake.  You need to not only look at the cars, but trace back every part and every person who worked on it to see if there is a pattern.

There are two ways the gas pedal depresses.  One by the drivers foot.  Two by the accelerate button on the cruise control.  If there is a soft ware problem, leaving the cruise control in the "on" position may supply the gateway for the computer to malfunction. 

I'm not condeming the company unilaterally.  I'm critizing advertising 2010 models for sale when you do not know what the problem is or how to fix it.  Would you want to buy one?  I think they are risky to buy at this time.  The re-sale value of Toyota is also going down.

I'd prefer to see an advertising campaign or letters to every Toyota owner involved, describing how to counter the problem safely, should it occur.

I've heard reports where people are unable to move the gear selector. I'm not sure if that is true.  If so, you will not be able to get it into neutral.  What do you do short of opening the door and yelling Geronimo as you bail out?

Mar 08, 2010 01:34 AM
Bonnie Vaughan
Scranton, PA
CNE SFR - Buyers/Sellers - Lackawanna & Surroundin

Missy,  It's just a thought on my part.  The cruise control activates the computer to control it.  If the computer or software could be the problem this might be an added risk.

I rarely use it under normal driving conditions.  In fact I hate cruise control.  I only activate it when I travel certain roads which are known for speed traps.

 

Mar 08, 2010 01:39 AM

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