Where To Find Gas Leaks

By
Home Inspector with Structure Tech Home Inspections

Edina House ExplosionThe one home inspection item that consistently causes home buyers to 'freak out' more than anything else is a gas leak. Gas explosions like the ones that recently happened in Edina and Saint Paul are probably the main causes of all the paranoia about natural gas.  Believe it or not, small gas leaks are actually quite common at old houses, and they're usually simple for a plumber to fix.  Today I'll share the most common locations for gas leaks, and I'll share my home inspection techniques for finding gas leaks in old Minneapolis and Saint Paul homes.

The most common place for me to find gas leaks is at gas valves.  Older style gas valves that aren't allowed any more today are often referred to as lube valves or plug valves.

Lube Valve Lube Valve 2

These valves are easily identified by a nut or spring on the valve, across from the handle; newer gas valves don't have these.  I would estimate that I find leaks at about one out of every five of these valves.  Gate valves, which should only be used for water, are also common offenders.

Gate Valve

The repair is always simple - replace the the valve.  In Minneapolis, if the appliance being served by an improper valve is replaced, the valve must be replaced at the same time.

The second most common location for gas leaks is at unions.  A gas union is a fitting that provides a disconnection point for a gas appliance.  If the union doesn't get tightened enough, it will definitely leak.  Notice the bubbles in the union below?  That's a small gas leak.

Leaking Union

Flare fittings are the last common offender.  Here in Minnesota, soft copper gas tubing is allowed just about anywhere, but it takes a little more skill to properly install soft copper than other types of gas piping.  For a flare fitting, copper tubing gets flared out at the end and connected with a flare nut.  If this connection gets bent or isn't tight enough, it will leak.

Flare Fitting 1 Flare Fitting 3 Flare Fitting 2

Combustible Gas DetectorTo find these gas leaks, I mostly rely on my nose.  If there's a gas leak, I can almost always smell it.  To pinpoint the location of a gas leak, I use a combustible gas detector.  If I see any suspicious work or I run across old or improper gas valves, I just go right to my gas detector, and I quickly check the fittings.

I truly believe that my nose is just as accurate as my gas detector, but I look a little silly running my nose along gas pipes to find leaks.  That's why I use a tool.  If I find a leak with my combustible gas detector, I confirm the leak by using a gas leak detection solution; it's just an expensive blue liquid that does about the same thing that dish soap would - it bubbles if there's a leak.  To make it easier for the repair person coming in behind me, I also mark the location of the leak with orange electrical tape, and I write "Gas Leak" on the tape, along with an arrow showing exactly where the leak is.

I've heard stories about appliance connectors leaking, but I've never found one that leaked. Next week I'll talk about defects with appliance connector installations.

RELATED POST: Natural Gas Leaks

Comments (52)

Sarah, John Rummage
Benchmark Realty LLC, Nashville TN 615.516.5233 - Nashville, TN
Love Being Realtors® in the Nashville TN Area!

I think it is a good idea around here to have the gas company come check out every house that has gas, even if you don't smell anything.  The gas company here is pretty good about that.

Sarah

Mar 16, 2010 12:57 PM
Chris Olsen
Olsen Ziegler Realty - Cleveland, OH
Broker Owner Cleveland Ohio Real Estate

Hi Reuben -- Great info for buyers to know -- I'm going to send a first-time homebuyer I'm working with a link to this post!

Mar 16, 2010 01:01 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Everyone - thank you for the comments and thanks for reading!

Richard S - that's an excellent point.  Shocks and fires happen all the time because of electricity, but you don't hear about those incidents.

Morgan - you're exactly right.

Charles - right where the aluminum tubing connects, right?  

Damon - I'm glad you caught it before something happened!

Jay - Beagles, huh?  I might have to get me one of those.  Does Professional Equipment sell them?

Mary Jo - wow, those phone techs certainly don't have any idea what they're doing.  That was some embarrassingly bad advice they gave you... but in my experience, that's been par for the course with them.

Mar 16, 2010 01:56 PM
Vickie McCartney
Maverick Realty - Owensboro, KY
Broker, Real Estate Agent Owensboro KY

Hi Reuben~  Gas leaks are dangerous!  My nose is pretty sensitive and I usually notice things like that.  I hope that our inspectors in this area are as astute as you seem to be!

Mar 16, 2010 02:34 PM
Scott Lewis
The Bald Man Group - Post Falls, ID
REALTOR, e-Pro,CIA,IMSD,GRI & CNE

Now we're cooking with gas. I love gas ... thanks for the tutorial. 

Mar 16, 2010 02:40 PM
Gene Allen
Fathom Realty - Cary, NC
Realty Consultant for Cary Real Estate

Looks pretty interesting if you ask me.  Thanks for the info.

Mar 16, 2010 02:44 PM
Jen Olson
First Weber Group Realtors - Marshfield, WI

Reuben-  Great information!  I see from some of the comments that the problem of plumbers and gas company reparimen not being able to find a gas leak noted by an inspector isn't just in my area.  I recently was working with some buyer clients.  There was a house they loved, but everytime we went in, it smelled like gas.  The sellers had the gas company over twice and a plumber over twice, with written verification that there was not a gas leak.  After much annoyance at us, they allowed my husband, who is an energy consultant and home inspector, to come over- free of charge- and test for a leak.  After finding the leak, the homeowner called the plumber the next day, who again said he couldn't find a leak.  The homeowner pointed out where my husband had noted the leak, and sure enough.  The "leak" turned out to be a completely cracked gas line!  It's so important that people keep trying when they smell gas, as not all "professionals" are created equally!

Mar 17, 2010 04:36 AM
Richie Alan Naggar
people first...then business Ran Right Realty - Riverside, CA
agent & author

Reuben...I just had one at a rental property. It came in at about 8:30 in the evening. The tenant was being influenced by the gas inspector to believe the worst case scenario namely the house is going to blow and we are all going to die. I had known enough about property manangment to get involved early on and control the situation. I go to the property that evening and the gas lady has this rod and she is walking all over getting buzzing noises and exclaiming this aint good, this aint good. I told her to calm down and explain to me what is going on and what she was doing. I also asked her to stop sharing her uninformed opinion with the tenant. I found out later on that my thinking was sound. Leaks of any sort are an opinionated subject with everyone being right and never wrong. She couldnt prove a thing to me but just kept on how dangerous this could be. We agreed to shut gas at the property and that I would have someone out there first thing. The next morning, after the problem being evaluated professionally which consisted of three different people telling me it could cost anywhere from $250 to inspect and up to $1200 to repair....it finally came down to a loose coupling in the fireplace that when tightened three turns, solved the problem. Failure to get involved, take control or get good input can cost $$$$$$$$. Reuben....it could have gone either way. Thank you.

Mar 17, 2010 06:33 AM
Sharon Parisi
United Real Estate Dallas - Dallas, TX
Dallas Homes

This is valuable information for us and for our clients. Gas can be so dangerous.

Mar 17, 2010 02:27 PM
Ryan Cha
RC Edwards Realty Dallas/Fort Worth, Texas - Dallas, TX
Broker

I've had many buyers "freak out" when it is a very small leak, so slight that it is not harmful, or a simple fix as you had mentioned such as replacing a valve.  Good article, and I will pass it on if I run across the same situation.  Coming from a third party professional like yourself helps.  Thanks for posting.

Mar 18, 2010 07:41 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Vickie - your nose is the best tool!

Jen - I've had similar experiences to yours many times.  Ever since I started marking gas leaks with orange tape, I've never had a call back.  Now I almost never report a gas leak without also tagging the location, and I never get call backs any more.

Richie - just another case of someone 'freaking out' when they don't need to.  Whoever that person was that came out saying what a dangerous situation you had was way off base.

Ryan - that's exactly it.  Small gas leaks really aren't a big deal - I tell my clients that it's a lot like a dripping faucet.  It's obviously a little more serious... but certainly nothing to freak out about.

Mar 18, 2010 01:56 PM
Jen Olson
First Weber Group Realtors - Marshfield, WI

Can I ask a question about the small, harmless gas leak comments?  How much gas would you allow to leak from your vehicle's gas tank and feel comfortable with the guy parked next to you tossing his cigarette at?  I can't imagine telling anyone that a gas leak is no big deal, regardless of the extent.  Not to mention that some gas leaks may start small, but in time corrode the piping and become major.  I really wonder if we should ever refer to a gas leak as not harmful.

Mar 20, 2010 10:45 AM
Jeffrey Jonas- Minnesota Home Inspector
Critical Eye Property Inspections / JRJ Consultants - Owatonna, MN

I agree with Jen. I am ashamed another Home Inspector made such a statement. I am really hoping, for the safety of his clients, that he just mis-spoke his words.

Any leak is a big deal. How long does it take for a small leak to become a problem? Who is going to activly monitor the small leak, and determine when it is a big problem? I sure wouldn't want to be in the position of explaining why I thought a small leak was no big deal if anything happened because of it. As a Professional Home Inspector, I report the facts, nothing more, nothing less. It is up to my clients to determine what their tolerance level is for any given defect. What may be a small issue for one person, could be a nightmare for another. Who am I to tell my clients what they should feel about something? The person with the "small gas leak"... what if their parents perished in a home explosion caused by a gas leak. Guess what, I would understand them being "freaked out" by "any" gas leak. As far as I am concerned, a leak is a leak. Locate and repair ASAP. Anything else is pure negligence.

Mar 20, 2010 12:09 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Jen - as I mentioned in my blog, any gas leak should always be repaired, but I'm also putting it in to perspective.  After having been told by many instructors and gas technicians the same thing, I'm sharing this information in a public forum. 

I know very well that this is far from the almost universally held belief that 'every gas leak is a major problem,' but I'm speaking from experience.  When I go in to a house and I find a union that's been leaking for the past several years, it would be silly for me to report this as a serious defect.  

Jeffery -  I think you should re-read my comments and my blog.  You're making it sound as if I don't tell my clients to repair gas leaks.  I do.  I just put things in to perspective, and I'm qualified to do so. 

You had so much to say about this topic that I feel like I should respond to a few of those comments.

"I am really hoping, for the safety of his clients, that he just mis-spoke his words."

Do these words really put my clients in danger?

"How long does it take for a small leak to become a problem? Who is going to activly monitor the small leak, and determine when it is a big problem?"

Why would anyone do that?  Small leaks should be fixed.

"As a Professional Home Inspector, I report the facts, nothing more, nothing less."

Anyone can report the facts.  Professional Home Inspectors get paid to interpret the facts and give their opinion.

"It is up to my clients to determine what their tolerance level is for any given defect. What may be a small issue for one person, could be a nightmare for another. Who am I to tell my clients what they should feel about something? "

You don't need to tell your clients how to feel, but as a Professional Home Inspector, you're in the position to put things in to perspective.  That's part of what you get paid to do.  

"As far as I am concerned, a leak is a leak. Locate and repair ASAP. Anything else is pure negligence." - AND - "Any leak is a big deal."

When I first started in this business, I used my electronic gas leak detector at every inspection, and I found gas leaks at just about every house I inspected.  I did what you apparently do now - I reported these as a big deal.  

Someone would notify the seller that they had a gas leak at their house, and that the home inspector said it's a big deal.  The gas company would come out, and they wouldn't find any leaks.  I would insist there was a leak, the gas company would come back, eventually they'd find it, and they'd tell everyone it was nothing.  

After having had this issue put in to perspective by many professional gas installers and one instructor for the State, I've come to realize that tiny gas leaks really aren't a big deal.  They're definitely something that should be fixed, but if you report small issues as big deals, you end up becoming the boy who cried wolf.

 

Mar 20, 2010 02:14 PM
Chris Minion
O'Brien Realty - Lexington Park, MD

Hi Reuben,

Excellent post!  Important information for all to know.  Thanks for sharing.

Chris

 

Mar 21, 2010 03:12 AM
Jen Olson
First Weber Group Realtors - Marshfield, WI

Reuben-  I was not commenting on your initial post.  I was more concerned about the comment by Ryan #42, who is not a home inspector acting like gas leaks are not at all harmful.  I also am referring to your comment back to him that you equate a leaking combustible gas with a drippy faucet.  You also didn't answer my question about how much gas you would be comfortable having leak from your car's gas tank.  The fact that you are saying in your comment #8, you were commented on how the gas company couldn't find the same leaks that you found, but then when commenting back to Jeffery, you refer to that same fact to support your new position that a gas leak is not a big deal.  I am not saying that there is a difference between a loose junction that needs to be tightened and a fault in the piping.  I just think that some of the comments seem a bit cavalier considering we are still talking about a potentially combustible gas.  I'm curious how you report a "no big deal, minor gas leak".  Isn't the definition of a safety hazard something that denotes a condition that is unsafe and in need of prompt attention?  Boy who cries wolf, or responsible inspector?

Mar 23, 2010 05:20 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Thanks Chris!

Mar 23, 2010 10:53 PM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Jen - I'll try to reply to most of your concerns below.  I've put your quotes in italics below.

I also am referring to your comment back to him that you equate a leaking combustible gas with a drippy faucet. 

That's something that I'll often tell my clients when I find a small gas leak.  I conduct my home inspections with my clients accompanying my the entire time, so when I find a gas leak, they're right there when I do.  I look for gas leaks after I've been at the house for a while, and I've already had a chance to 'smell' any serious gas leaks.  I always preface by saying I'm going to look for SMALL gas leaks with my electronic gas detector - if there were any major leaks, I would have already smelled them by now.

When I do find gas leaks, my clients eyes usually widen and they ask if we should leave the house.  I tell them to think of the leak the same way you would a dripping faucet - it not as though you have water flooding your basement, but it's definitely something that should be fixed right away.  

A gas leak is obviously much more serious than a dripping faucet, but I'm using an analogy to help my clients understand that there really is a difference between a major leak and a minor leak.

You also didn't answer my question about how much gas you would be comfortable having leak from your car's gas tank.   - Your question was - How much gas would you allow to leak from your vehicle's gas tank and feel comfortable with the guy parked next to you tossing his cigarette at?

Sorry, I thought that was a rhetorical question.  I wouldn't feel comfortable with any gas leaking out of my gas tank.  Gas costs money!  I also wouldn't appreciate anyone tossing cigarettes at me or my vehicle.  I especially wouldn't appreciate the two happening at the same time.  

What does this have to do with anything?  That's a completely different analogy.

btw - have you ever tried to light gasoline with a cigarette?  Hollywood would have you believe it's easy to do.

The fact that you are saying in your comment #8, you were commented on how the gas company couldn't find the same leaks that you found, but then when commenting back to Jeffery, you refer to that same fact to support your new position that a gas leak is not a big deal.

In comment #8 I wrote that until I started marking gas leaks with orange tape, I would get phone calls from homeowners telling me the gas company couldn't find the gas leaks that I identified.  In my comment to Jeffery, I wrote that small gas leaks aren't a big deal.  This has nothing to do with the previous comment (#8).  

If you were to extrapolate information from these two comments, you might come to the conclusion that small gas leaks aren't a big deal, and that they're so minor that the gas company usually won't even find them. 

 I am not saying that there is a difference between a loose junction that needs to be tightened and a fault in the piping. 

Huh?

 I'm curious how you report a "no big deal, minor gas leak"

Like this: "There was a small gas leak at the sediment trap to the furnace. Have the gas leak fixed."

I reported this at an inspection on Friday, and had the listing agent call me back on Monday saying the seller had the gas company out, and they said there was no leak.  I had a big orange piece of tape with an arrow pointing at the gas leak (included below), and they still said it wasn't leaking.  Oh well, I tried my best.  The information that you should take away from this is that some gas leaks really are small.  Don't buy in to the paranoia that these small gas leaks are going to get bigger.  

If you have it set in your head that this is a completely black and white issue with nothing in-between, I probably won't be able to convince you otherwise.

Isn't the definition of a safety hazard something that denotes a condition that is unsafe and in need of prompt attention?  

Yes... but I would call this a potential safety hazard.   Here are a few other potential safety hazards: Missing nails in joist hangers, improper bolts at a deck ledgerboard, uneven walkways, missing guardrails, missing handrails, inoperable or missing smoke detectors, double tapped wiring at circuit breakers, water heaters turned up too hot, missing CO alarms... the list goes on.  I'm sure that any one of these things probably causes  FAR more injuries than gas leaks, but they're not sexy, dramatic defects.

Boy who cries wolf, or responsible inspector?

Take my example above, about the house where the gas company deemed my leak to not be a leak.  A responsible inspector would do what I did.  A boy who cries wolf would have evacuated the house.  

Mar 23, 2010 11:38 PM
Mike Gillingham
Eastern Iowa Inspection Services LLC - Walker, IA

Interesting set of comments on this one. One thing that Realtors and clients alike look for is confidence in the inspector and his interpretation of things. This only comes with experience.

If you're a 40 hour wonder making mountains out of mole hills you wont last long. On the flip side, we must report things as they are and be able to explain to folks the level of urgency these items require. Some things are a really big deal, some have the potential of becoming a big deal and some things just need to be fixed.

Apr 06, 2010 09:17 AM
Reuben Saltzman
Structure Tech Home Inspections - Minneapolis, MN
Delivering the Unbiased Truth.

Mike - you're completely right.  Saying everything is a mountain when it isn't is just a CYA move.  

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