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UNDERWRITING REALLY ISN’T THAT MYSTERIOUS BUT IT’S NOT STANDARD BY ANY MEANS EITHER - Part 3

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Mortgage and Lending with Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA

In Part 1 and Part 2, I discussed the trials and tribulations of getting financing for a condo purchase as well as some of the problems with verifying a borrower's employment.  In Part 3, I want to address something that Ralph Gorgoglione had asked about in his post and that was the new documentation requirements for FHA.

The truth is that there isn't really any new documentation being requested by just FHA (except in property flips) but to those Realtors who are not familiar with an FHA transaction, the additional documentation required by FHA may seem like new documentation requirements. 

While there is some new documentation that is being required by lenders, this documentation is being required for all loan transactions and not just FHA loan transactions.  As for the additional documentation required on FHA transactions, these are documents that have always been required by FHA for any and all FHA transactions. 

There are quite a few of them and I'm not going to go into all of the different forms because most of them are only required by the borrower and require absolutely no assistance and/or cooperation from the other parties in the transaction.  However, there are a few that require the signature of other parties in the transaction and they are a) FHA Amendatory Clause, b) FHA Real Estate Certification and c) 203(k) Purchase Forms. 

FHA AMENDATORY CLAUSE:  This is basically just an agreement between the buyers and sellers of what the sales price is and that the maximum amount of mortgage will be determined based on the appraised value and not the sales price.  Furthermore, an amendatory clause must be included in the sales contract when the borrower has not been informed of the appraised value before signing the sales contract. 

FHA REAL ESTATE CERTIFICATION:  This is basically an agreement between the parties of the transaction that the terms and conditions of the purchase contract are true to the best of their knowledge.  Furthermore, any other agreement between the parties (i.e. repairs, credits, etc...) are also part of the sales agreement. 

203(k) PURCHASE FORMS:  This is a whole series of documentation that is required by some of the other parties in the transaction in addition to the borrowers.  One of the conditions of a 203(k) loan is that the seller must sign a purchase agreement addendum agreeing to the terms and conditions of the 203(k) guidelines as outlined by FHA. 

Furthermore, there will also be a designated amount of funds placed into an escrow account after the close of escrow on the sale of the property.  This additional escrow account is for the sole purpose of repairs and/or rehabilitation of the property.  As a result, the escrow company must agree to adhere to the terms and conditions of the borrower's agreement with the lender on how and when these funds are to be distributed. 

Lastly, as I mentioned before, the only new documentation that FHA is really requiring is in the case of properties with less than 90 days of seasoning (i.e. property flips).  The reason for the new documentation is because this is actually a new option for FHA; FHA has never allowed flipped properties before. 

As of February this year. they are now allowing them (temporarily) in an effort to reduce the current inventory of all of the properties being scooped up by the tremendous amount of all cash investors. 

I could write an entire post on the FHA requirements of this new process and the trials and tribulations of getting an FHA loan for a property with less than 90 days of seasoning.  However, suffice it to say that if the cash investor who purchased the property less than 90 days ago is making a HUGE profit on the resale, they are going to need to justify the HUGE increase from the previous acquisition price to the current sales price (I speak from exerience when I say this).  

If a cash investor isn't willing to prove what they spent to improve the property in the less than 90 days then chances are they will be turning away approximately half of their prospective buyers, which is about the percentage of FHA loans being funded these days.

None of these things have to hang up and/or delay the loan transaction but they will require the assistance and cooperation from the other parties in the transaction.  What we (MLO's) don't need are a bunch of whiny, juvenile agents, escrow officers as well as buyers complaining about all of the additional documentation required by FHA.  SERIOUSLY!!!  

If you don't want to do what's necessary to get an FHA loan then put down a bunch more money and get a conventional loan.  Otherwise, do what is necessary (preferably without a bunch of whining and complaining) and I will personally do everything I can to make the process as less stressful as I possibly can.

 

UNDERWRITING REALLY ISN'T THAT MYSTERIOUS BUT IT'S NOT STANDARD BY ANY MEANS EITHER - Part 1

UNDERWRITING REALLY ISN'T THAT MYSTERIOUS BUT IT'S NOT STANDARD BY ANY MEANS EITHER - Part 2

UNDERWRITING REALLY ISN'T THAT MYSTERIOUS BUT IT'S NOT STANDARD BY ANY MEANS EITHER - Part 4

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Akil Walker
Bennett Realty Solutions - Bowie, MD

Donne,

 

 

Good information.

 

thanks,

Akil

May 28, 2010 07:43 AM
Tammy Lankford,
Lane Realty Eatonton, GA Lake Sinclair, Milledgeville, 706-485-9668 - Eatonton, GA
Broker GA Lake Sinclair/Eatonton/Milledgeville

Most of my buyers are purchasing second/vacation homes so FHA doesn't come into my life but about once every 5 years.  But even on conventional loans it appears my buyers are being "one more documented" to death.  They are getting requests for things that the loan officer didn't ask for/weren't on her old list.  We're in the middle of one now that was supposed to close the 14th and today we are getting yet a second extension signed.

May 28, 2010 08:03 AM
Brenda Mullen
RE/MAX Associates - San Antonio, TX
Your San Antonio TX Real Estate Agent!!

Hi Donne-This is some good information and again, thank you for sharing!  I don't work with too many FHA loans, but I do work with a lot of VA and have also done a USDA loan.  They all have documentation requirements and it's nice to know about them upfront so there are no surprises!  Have a good one!

May 28, 2010 11:12 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Akil - I'm glad you liked it.

Tammy - It's not so much that it's one product over another (conventional vs FHA) that seems to be getting documented to death but rather all loans are getting documented to death.  I hate the requests/conditions that aren't actual guidelines because I review my guidelines religiously before I submit my files so I know what is required and what is not.  So when I get asked for things that aren't in the guidelines they (the underwriter) better have a %@#^ good reason for asking for it or we're butting heads.

Brenda - OY VEY!  Don't even get me started on the additional documentation that VA requires; USDA isn't too bad though.  I actually feel sorry for the vets around here (lots of bases in Ventura county) because as far as offers go, the offers by vets are typically at the bottom of the pile.  It's just really sad.

Thx for stopping by folks; I really appreciate it.  Have a wonderful holiday weekend.  :)

May 28, 2010 11:39 AM
Jane Peters
Home Jane Realty - Los Angeles, CA
Los Angeles real estate concierge services

Donne, you are a blogging real estate bible.  Thanks for all the info you provide.  I am bookmarking this.

May 28, 2010 02:14 PM
Rebecca Gaujot, Realtor®
Lewisburg, WV
Lewisburg WV, the go to agent for all real estate

Donne, I agree with Jane, an informative post needs to be bookmarked. thanks,

May 28, 2010 05:52 PM
Elizabeth Weintraub Sacramento Broker
Elizabeth Anne Weintraub, Broker - Sacramento, CA
Put 40 years of experience to work for you

How can a buyer be informed of the appraised value before signing the contract when the buyer hasn't yet paid for nor ordered an appraisal? I am confused.

May 29, 2010 03:53 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Jane - LOL  I've been called a lot of things but blogging real estate bible has never been one of them.  I'm glad you liked the post.  I aim to please.  :)

Rebecca - I'm glad you liked it too.

Elizabeth - Oops!  Seems I forgot a little blurb to make that section a little clearer.  A buyer can be informed of the appraised value on an FHA transaction if the property had been in escrow before for an FHA buyer and already had been issued an FHA case number and appraisal. You see, FHA appraisals are good for six months. 

So if an FHA buyer's escrow falls out after the appraisal was done, that appraisal stays with the property for 180 days.  So if another FHA buyer comes along and the MLO does some due diligence, the new buyer can easily be informed of the previous appraised value. 

Now, having said that, if the previous appraisal is older than 90 days, the underwriter for the new buyers will most certainly order the original appraiser to update the appraisal with more recent comps.  I hope that clears up some confusion.  :)

May 29, 2010 10:34 AM
Renée Donohue~Home Photography
Savvy Home Pix - Allegan, MI
Western Michigan Real Estate Photographer

GREAT RESOURCE DONNE!! 

To go along with your last paragraph, I am not whiny (and I know you weren't talking to me!)  We need to educate our buyers about the process and I pretty much tell them in the beginning when your MLO asks for the blood of your first born child, give it to them and give it to them quickly!

I educate them that the reason why UW is tough is because of risk and with every new foreclosure comes a new risk profile which creates new UW guidelines.  Even though something they may be asking for does not seem logical, they are simply managing risk.

Why ask why.

LOL

Jun 03, 2010 03:47 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Renee - "when your MLO asks for the blood of your first born child, give it to them and give it to them quickly!"  LMAO!

Oh, I so wish more Realtors out here in LA & Ventura county were more like you.  While I do agree with you that the job of an underwriter is to calculate risk, there is also a fine line between common sense u/w and nonsense u/w.  I tell my borrowers that it's my job to know when they've crossed the line and when they do, it's also my job to see to it that they stay on the right side of the line.  I have no problem doing that.

I truly get most of the guideline changes these days, really I do.  The borrowers of the present are paying for the sins of the borrowers of the past - PLAIN & SIMPLE.  I'm pretty hard-core honest with my borrowers.  From the get-go, I let them know what they're in for and what I expect from them.  In that first conversation/meeting I can almost always tell if I'm going to work with them or not.  I have no problem letting go of someone who isn't realistic or who isn't willing to do what it takes.  Letting go of them is actually a relief.

Thx for stopping by Renee; I always appreciate your comments and feedback.  Have a good day.  :)

Jun 03, 2010 04:47 AM
Mike Henderson
Your complete source for buying HUD homes - Littleton, CO
HUD Home Hub - 303-949-5848

I love the attitude at the end of the blog.  Exactly right borrowers step up to the plate and do the extra paperwork, preferably without complaining.

Jun 12, 2010 03:44 PM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Mike - While whining borrowers can be annoying enough, I can usually brush it off to their ignorance.  It's the whining Realtors that irritate me the most.  These are the people who should know better.  Oddly enough though, when talking to some Realtors about the hiccups that come up in a loan transaction, so many of them DON'T know much about the loan process. 

This is kind of what prompted me to write these posts.  I'm glad you liked them.

Jun 12, 2010 06:37 PM