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Unscrupulous Listing Practice?

Reblogger Doreen McPherson
Real Estate Agent with Homesmart ~ Scottsdale ~ Tempe

 

While the situation with the fraudulent DOM (Days on Market) has been dealt with by the MLS here in the Phoenix, Arizona Real Estate Market area.  ~~  They have made it difficult to manipulate and the penalty if caught is pretty stiff.  ~~

I'm just wondering how large team agents deal with "Quality Control" on their teams. 

Also, wondering why the teams, such as the one Tammie mentions here, continue to operate and broker/owners just stand by as if it's not happening??  Based on the comments on her post, they're in many cities. 

Comments?? 

 

Original content by Tammie White, Broker

Yesterday, while preparing a CMA (comparable market analysis) for a client's property, I came across something that got my blood boiling.  What do you think??  Does the following constitute an unscrupulous listing practice?   

In July 2008, I showed a house that had been on the market for 184 days.  The house was only 4 years old, beautifully decorated and well-maintained.  It showed very well but wasn't exactly what my client was looking for.  That evening, I responded to an automatic showing feedback request explaining that the property was not right for my client and gave their reaction to the home.  I always give feedback to the listing agent so he can discuss that with his seller.  Since this property had already been on the market 184 days, I was sure the seller would want feedback.

Several days later, I got a call directly from the seller.  I had lefthouse for sale my business card on her countertop at the showing.  She asked me if I could give her some feedback from my clients.  I explained that I had sent feedback to her listing agent and that she should speak directly with him.  She then said, "My listing agent never gives me any feedback.  My house has been on the market almost 190 days and I don't know why it's not selling."  I gladly explained why my client had passed on the property but then she started to ask questions about the current state of the market and my thoughts as to why her house hadn't sold.

I explained that as long as she was listed with another agent, she would need to speak with him.  She said that she had never even met him.  He had a large team and she only spoke with agents on his team. She never got the same agent twice.  She always had to call them after showings because they never called her.  I, once again, instructed her that she would have to speak directly to her listing agent. As long as she was under contract with someone else, I was unable to help her.  I did say, however, that if she decided not to re-list with her agent, I would be happy to speak with her.

I decided to put her on my auto-notification list so I would be alerted when her listing expired.  About 45 days later, the listing expired and I proceeded to contact her.  She didn't even know that the listing had expired.  She then advised me that she would call me back when she investigated further.

A little while later, she called and said that she had re-listed with the same agent.  She explained that when she originally signed her listing agreement in February 2008, she also signed a document giving her listing agent permission to re-list her property automatically.  They just hadn't gotten around to re-listing it in the MLS.

I couldn't believe what she was telling me.  I had never heard of such a thing.  Why would any seller agree to these terms?  It doesn't benefit the seller at all.  The only person who benefits from such an agreement is the listing agent.  I was shocked. 

As I watched expireds appear week after week, I would see this same agent's name again and again.  All of his listings had been on the market for many, many days.  I placed several calls to these expired listings.  The response was always the same.  They felt if any agent could sell their house, he could.  Besides, they didn't want to get into a confrontation by calling the listing agent and cancelling their agreement. 

I didn't understand what these people were thinking.  It appeared to me that he was putting a sign in the yard and walking away.  He didn't even have to call them again to re-list their home.  He did it automatically.

As I was preparing this CMA, I noticed that the home I had shown in July 2008 had finally closed.  The house was originally listed for $789,999 in February 2008.  When it closed last week, it had been on the market a wopping 821 days.  It had been re-listed with the same agent, 17 times with 9 price reductions. It sold for $500,000--63% of the original list price.

When this seller listed her home, the average days on the market was 87 days.  However, what the CMA showed is that the property sold within 77 days of listing at 91% of asking price.  This agent is manipulating the system to reflect lower days on the market and percentage of listing price.  To make it look like he can sell your house under the current days on the market for above 90% of listing.

I can't believe that this woman remained loyal to an agent that failed to produce a buyer for over 2 years.  The seller's ability to negotiate price and terms ceased to exist a long time ago.

Between 5/29/09 to 5/28/10, this agent closed 150 listings (remember he has a large team).  These 150 listings had been on the market with this agent a total of 21,946 days and had re-listed with him 403 times.  That means that each property was on the market an average of 146 days and had re-listed an average of 3 times.  These numbers don't even include the expired and withdrawn listings that had smartened up and moved on to another agent.

The moral of this story...as a seller, you owe nothing to the listing agent.  His job is to market your home and get it sold in a reasonable amount of time--821 days is not a reasonable amount of time.  If you are unsure what a reasonable amount of time is, ask the listing agent for the average days on the market for your area.

Remember, in this case, the agent re-listed his client's homes several times.  Why would he do this?  Because then he could say that his average days on the market were lower than the actual number of days he had these properties listed.  When interviewing agents, question them as to how many times they re-list their properties to reflect those numbers.  And never, ever agree to sign a document giving your agent the authority to re-list your property automatically prior to the expiration date of your contract.  Make that agent work for the listing or find an agent who will.  

Is this an unscrupulous listing practice? You be the judge.

 

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Jenna Dixon
Momentum Real Estate Group LLC - Marietta, GA
55 & Over | New Constructions | Horse Farms

Unscrupulous brokers/agent have a way of attracting the "unwitting" seller who would leave her home on the market for 821 days with an agent she doesn't talk to.  Law of attraction at work.

May 31, 2010 10:56 PM
Tom Priester
Paradise Sharks - Jupiter, FL
Paradise Sharks

Doreen, the days on market issue always gets me going. Wish that everyone would see that this is an important statistic that is no longer very accurate because of all the horseplay.

May 31, 2010 11:03 PM
Barbara Kornegay
REMAX Essential - Wilmington, NC
Wilmington NC Real Estate, Homes
"Success is not the key to happiness. Happiness is the key to success. If you love what you are doing, you will be successful."

 Herman Cain quotes

May 31, 2010 11:12 PM
Mike Jones
SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC (BK-0907366, NMLS 145171) - Tucson, AZ
Mike Jones NMLS 223495

Doreen,

Thanks for reblogging!  ...and welcome back~

Mike in Tucson

Jun 01, 2010 01:01 AM
Pat O'Reilly
RE/MAX..214-289-6176 Irving and all of Dallas Fort Worth - Irving, TX

Wow..what a story. MLS has changed it so the CDOM shows the truth. I guess there are always people who will manipulate the numbers...

Jun 01, 2010 01:26 AM
Tammie White, Broker
Franklin Homes Realty LLC - Franklin, TN
Franklin TN Homes for Sale

Doreen, thanks for re-blogging.  You're fortunate that your MLS has already dealt with this issue.

Jun 01, 2010 03:56 AM
Doreen McPherson
Homesmart ~ Scottsdale ~ Tempe - Tempe, AZ
Phoenix Arizona Real Estate ~

You are welcome, Tammie!  What surprised me on your post was the comments.  A lot of times when something like this is pointed out, a lot of people turn on the blogger.  Seems this is an issue in so many areas that there wasn't much opposition.  It is a very good post. 

Jun 01, 2010 04:06 AM
Doreen McPherson
Homesmart ~ Scottsdale ~ Tempe - Tempe, AZ
Phoenix Arizona Real Estate ~

Pat,  When I first got my license, an agent showed me how she was getting around the rules to make a listing look like it was new to the market.  She messed with the address.  I saw that others did that, too.  They claimed it was for the sellers sake, that everyone did it, it was really OK, really.  I was shocked that they felt this way.  Since then, the MLS here changed the system and the rules. 

Jun 01, 2010 04:12 AM
Doreen McPherson
Homesmart ~ Scottsdale ~ Tempe - Tempe, AZ
Phoenix Arizona Real Estate ~

Thanks for commenting, Barbara.

Tom,  I doubt that's the only statistic that is off in the system...  :-( 

Jenna,  At some point the people doing these things will have to answer for it.  We may not see it, but they will.

Jun 01, 2010 04:16 AM
Doreen McPherson
Homesmart ~ Scottsdale ~ Tempe - Tempe, AZ
Phoenix Arizona Real Estate ~

Mike,  Not sure if I am back or not...   ;-)

Jun 01, 2010 04:21 AM
Andrew Monaghan
The Monaghan Group - Glendale, AZ
CRS, GRI, EPro Associate Broker

Days on teh market are always a thorny issue, i like the way ARMLS deals with it although some other rules tehy have are written to support the agents and theway they did biz in 1950

Jun 12, 2010 06:07 PM
Doreen McPherson
Homesmart ~ Scottsdale ~ Tempe - Tempe, AZ
Phoenix Arizona Real Estate ~

I agree, ARMLS does have a handle on the DOM. 

Jun 13, 2010 08:10 PM
Tony and Suzanne Marriott, Associate Brokers
Serving the Greater Phoenix and Scottsdale Metropolitan Area - Scottsdale, AZ
Haven Express @ Keller Williams Arizona Realty

Doreen - Sorry to be late to the party on this.  ARMLS is laser focused on stamping out manipulation of DOM and any other data on the MLS.  As Co-Chair of the ARMLS Technology Committee I am fully supportive of Bob Bemis and his team who are dealing with this.

If you can't be successful by being honest and accurate - you are a loser - period!

Jul 17, 2010 07:08 PM
Doreen McPherson
Homesmart ~ Scottsdale ~ Tempe - Tempe, AZ
Phoenix Arizona Real Estate ~

I agree Tony.  This applies to all aspects not just trying to manipulate DOM...  

Jul 18, 2010 01:08 AM