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Should The Word STANDARD Be Used In Real Estate?

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I spent most of yesterday afternoon attending three inspections on a property located in the Russian River area.  There you will find a huge redwood forest with the Russian River running through it.  Once a popular Summer vacation destination, most of these Summer cabins have turned into permanent homes.

diagram of a cesspoolThe MLS print-out said that this property was on STANDARD septic. The listing agent chose this option among the other choices which are Cesspool, Holding Tank, Septic Engineered, Sewer Private, Sewer Public, Other and None. So what does a STANDARD septic look like?

Well, it didn't look like what I was expecting even though I didn't know what to expect. Our septic inspector found a cesspool lined with redwood, otherwise known as a redwood box.  The buyer was a little freaked about this at first and I don't blame her.  She said I don't know what a cesspool is but it sure doesn't sound good.

When I mentioned the description of the septic system per the MLS, the inspector said Well, this is a STANDARD septic system for this area since there is no room for leach lines.

So my question is, should the word STANDARD be used in Real Estate?  We don't say STANDARD house, we wouldn't know how many bedrooms and bathrooms it had.  We don't say STANDARD lot even though it may be the same cookie-cutter size as everyone else's in the neighborhood.  We don't say STANDARD fireplace, are we going to have to start buying firewood or not?  And what does a STANDARD roof tell you?

Since septic systems are below ground, we don't always know what we are going to find.  Instead of calling something we can't see STANDARD, maybe we need an option called DON'T KNOW.

 

© 2010 Cynthia Larsen, Should The Word STANDARD Be Used In Real Estate?

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Cynthia Larsen (707-332-2560) is an independent real estate referral broker in Sonoma County, California as well as a Certified Probate Real Estate Specialist.

CA Broker License #01433049

Comments(26)

Craig Rutman
Helping people in transition - Cary, NC
Raleigh, Cary, Apex area Realtor

Standard was a cop out for putting in the real description. Unless, of course, the company's name for this septic system is "Standard, Inc."

Jun 22, 2010 10:46 AM
Jim Cheney
Saint Francis Property Santa Rosa, CA - Santa Rosa, CA
Rincon Valley Realtor 707.494.1055

I'm with you.  I would have assumed a standard septic had a holding tank and leach lines.  I guess standard for the area makes sense.

Jun 22, 2010 02:54 PM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

Craig - if nothing else it's lazy, don't you think?  It could mean anything.

Jim - that's what I kind of assumed, but I don't sell many homes in Forestville so I wasn't sure.

Jun 22, 2010 03:44 PM
Mike Jones
SUNSTREET MORTGAGE, LLC (BK-0907366, NMLS 145171) - Tucson, AZ
Mike Jones NMLS 223495

Cynthia,

Maybe the plumbing was "American Standard."  LOL

Mike in Tucson

Jun 22, 2010 04:56 PM
Malcolm Johnston
Century 21 Lanthorn Real Estate LTD., Trenton, Ontario - Trenton, ON
Trenton Real Estate

There's really no such thing as "standard" in real estate. Things change from area to area, and what's common in one place won't be in another.

Jun 23, 2010 02:48 AM
Bruce Swedal
Denver, CO
Denver Real Estate

Standard really has no meaning for someone who is not very familiar with septic systems and it is really not common knowledge.

Jun 23, 2010 03:02 AM
Lou Farris
Your Castle Real Estate, Inc. - Littleton, CO
Lou understands real estate, and is your Concierge

Standard? The word itself has confusing definitions, to say the least, which is probably the best suggestion for ho wthis word should be used in real estate communications.

 

Consider this:

Standard - meaning the measure of performance, as in a standard of excellence. It can also mean a point of reference, a type of transmission in a car, a particular feature set (standard in this model are...), or even a description of the base features or chaacteristics of something.

To say the least, the word is confusing in its many possible uses. Working with this word seems akin to trying to defuse a bomb with multiple triggers. Dangerous even on a good day.

 

Lou Farris, MBA
"That Realtor Guy in Shorts!" 
Keller Williams Executives Realty, LLC

 

 

 

Jun 23, 2010 03:35 AM
Charita Cadenhead
eXp Realty - Birmingham, AL
Serving Jefferson and Shelby Counties (Alabama)

In Short - NEVER.

Jun 23, 2010 03:36 AM
Maureen McCabe
HER Realtors - Columbus, OH
Columbus Ohio Real Estate

I believe our auditor uses the term standard ... not necessarily for septic systems.

I am not sure I would worry that much about it but I think a "do not know" might be safer for agents with septic systems.  The seller really should know though and so I would think they should be able to provide their agent and buyers more info about it.

Great if there is no seller (estate, REO, trust,etc.) or would sellers just use "do not know" rather than the other choices.

My first house had a septic system and I was a real estate agent and we did not do an inspection of it...  or the house (late 80s, no $ home inspections were not that common  in our market... long story.)  I know we did NOT know  when we wrote the offer that  it was on a septic system or that it was in a flood plain.  We found out while negotiating about the septic system... that it was under the garage.

We do not have many septic systems here anymore until you get out in the sticks (usually) but I think we only have "private waste system " as a choice.  I took a class about septic systems when I had a buyer who looked at a lot of rural properties.  She grew up with a home on an aeration system.  I don't believe I had a clue what that was until I met her.

Jun 23, 2010 04:30 AM
Carra Riley & Declan Kenyon
Brokers Guild Cherry Creek Ltd - Westminster, CO
Helping people Transition at all ages!

Cynthia....I agree with the previous posts - standard is a very poor choice of terms for anything.  Getting better definitions in the MLS might be a start. 

cosmic cow

Jun 23, 2010 04:43 AM
Jason M. Keith
Caliber Home Loans - Parker, CO
Equal Housing Lender

I got a kick out of your buyers reaction to "cesspool"  I bet they really balked at the "leach line"

I think what we are seeing here is the difference between engineering terminology and sales terminology.  Standard is a good thing if it's "built to standards" but when you are trying to sell a house standard can have a negative connection.

Just my 2 cents :)

Jun 23, 2010 04:51 AM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

Mike - American Standard, Ha! Now I'm seeing the word STANDARD everywhere I turn. This word is really bugging me, it doesn't mean anything!

Malcolm - that's just it, STANDARD is such a broad brush and my MLS covers 5 counties.  There is nothing STANDARD about anything in real estate.

Bruce - I don't deal with a lot of septic systems, most of my deals have been on public services. That is the wonderful thing about real estate, we are always learning something.

Lou - I agree, I think it is a dangerous word to use, it really has no meaning when you think about it.

Charita - LOL, right to the point!

Jun 23, 2010 04:56 AM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

Maureen - it isn't uncommon for folks to not realize they are on a septic system. People have poured concrete patios over the opening and have had to jack hammer them out.  I told my buyer to place some kind of yard art over the opening so she would always know where it was.  And DON'T plant a tree there!!

Carra - I'll be e-mailing the MLS to try to get better definitions.

Jason - my buyer is a dream buyer, she soaks everything in and then looks at me with big brown eyes saying HELP!  You should have seen her when she found a huge banana slug.  Slug One, City Girl Zero.

Jun 23, 2010 05:13 AM
Lyn Sims
Schaumburg, IL
Real Estate Broker Retired

Unknown & I'm too lazy to check? I have to agree, I've never heard of a standard septic system.  My version would have a leach field like the inspector said, so what do I know?

Jun 23, 2010 05:22 AM
Gene Riemenschneider
Home Point Real Estate - Brentwood, CA
Turning Houses into Homes

Maybe it was "American Standard"  (For those not getting the joke American Standard makes toilets.)  I agree Standard is a poor term.  Maybe the agent had no idea.

Jun 23, 2010 05:54 AM
Tom Waite
Thomas Waite Real Estate Broker - Cypress, CA
So Cal-Apartment Bldg Investments

Cynthia: Great subject well thought out.

Jun 23, 2010 06:34 AM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

Lyn - this cesspool is my first.  I've always seen leach fields.

Gene - the seller bought this house in 2007, the agent should have been told what type of septic system there was.  Makes me wonder how many MLS listings are actually wrong.

Tom - thanks for stopping by.

Jun 23, 2010 06:46 AM
Karen Fiddler, Broker/Owner
Karen Parsons-Fiddler, Broker 949-510-2395 - Mission Viejo, CA
Orange County & Lake Arrowhead, CA (949)510-2395

Just laziness on the listing agent's part. I never use words that mean NOTHING and try and be specific. I don't like lawsuits.

Jun 23, 2010 06:53 AM
Kris Gann
Don Nunamaker, Realtors - Hood River, OR

Cynthia,

 I enjoyed reading your post and decided to check out just exactly what the options are for my area.  I work in Hood River, OR, and often deal with on-site sewage systems.

Our RMLS has six options for on-site sewage!!!  Cesspool, Pressure Distribution System, Sandfiltered, Septic, Shared Septic and Standard Septic.  Very detailed indeed.  For older systems, I can see how one might just choose "septic" to be safe unless the seller has the documentation.

Kris

Jun 25, 2010 07:50 AM
Cynthia Larsen
Cotati, CA
Independent Broker In Sonoma County, CA

Karen - I'm with you on that one!

Kris - so you have standard septic too!  What does standard septic mean in Hood River?

Jun 25, 2010 10:50 AM