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Short Sales: What if there are multiple mortgages?

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Real Estate Agent with America's Home Rescue (2008 & 2009 NAR Convention Speakers)

Great question!  Many agents often ask about the necessary steps required for a Short Sale when a second lien is involved.  If there is a second, there is always a first.  Therefore, what do you do with the first if there is a second?  The general rule-of-thumb is to leave the first alone and attempt to do a Short Sale with only the second.  Why?  Because, in most cases, what is owed to the first lien holder is usually less than the market value of the property and, if this is the case, the first has no reason to accept a Short Sale.  The problem that we have seen over and over is when agents attempt a Short Sale with the first lien holder without even making contact with the second lien holder.  The first lien holder, in some cases, doesn't even know there is a second lien and will, unknowingly agree to the Short Sale.  Consequently, the agent finds themselves in a precarious situation when they then have to have the Escrow Officer call the second to notify them that they will be getting paid nothing from the sale.  The second lien holder usually becomes very unhappy and will likely refuse any kind of compromised sale.  The moral of the story is, if you know there is a second lien holder, don't waste your time trying to Short Sale the first if they are in a good equity position.  If they are, they will not accept a Short Sale.  Instead, they will almost always tell you to go short the second.  Complete your hardship package and submit it with an offer to the second lien holder.  While you are negotiating the Short Sale with the second, you will want to inform the first that you are doing so and ensure that they stall any foreclosure proceedings until you get the Short Sale approved by the second.  The first will almost always agree to this because it enables them to avoid the cost and hassle of the foreclosure process, as long as they know that they are going to get paid in full if you successfully short the second. 

Next, let's discuss how you arrive at the MLS list price when there is a second involved?  Since the second lien holder is in a junior position, they are typically  more flexible as to what they will accept in a Short Sale and more willing to take a significant discount.  If the first were to ever foreclose, they would probably give the second lien holder little to nothing since they are in a junior position. In calculating your MLS list price, we recommend using a discount threshold of 30-50% for the second.  The threshold will be a function of what is owed on the second, not the fair market value.  Again, it is important for you to position the property on the market with a list price that is aggressive enough to generate an offer quickly, yet high enough to ensure that the offer will be acceptable to the second lien holder.  The bottom-line is that, in most cases, whether the home goes to foreclosure or the property is sold via a Short Sale, the second lien holder is going to take a hit either way.  Your goal is to procure an offer on the property as quickly as possible!  Remember, time is of the essence! 

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Comments (7)

Randy Lyon
Kettley and Company - Oswego, IL
it sounds like common sense but the agent trying to juggle all three principals should be dotting the I's and crossing all of the t's. The advice is great thanks for a great post.
Aug 13, 2007 03:52 PM
John Occhi
AZ Veteran Notary Services - Marana, AZ
Mobile Notary Public/Certified Loan Signing Agent

In my market, I am finding values to be below the 1st.  Lets assume 100% financing in an 80 / 20 scenario.  The 2nd was financed last year and the appraisal value came in exceedingly high - but the family cashes out - buys a boat, whatever.

Now the loan resets and the payments go up and they can no longer afford the payment - and now thier value has disappeared, so they bail.

I am seeing 1st's accepting 8- cents on the dollar and leaving the 2nd holding the bag with between $1K to $5K payout - tops

Now Have a Blessed Day,

John Occhi, Hemet CA REALTOR®
Mission Grove Realty

Aug 13, 2007 03:56 PM
Dan Norton
Sand Dollar Realty & Sand Dollar Referrals - Orlando, FL
Absolutely, John... I saw a $2000 payment on a 180k 2nd!!
Aug 13, 2007 04:01 PM
Michael & Stacy Spickes
America's Home Rescue (2008 & 2009 NAR Convention Speakers) - Austin, TX

John,

We're seeing the same.  The 1st lien holder is, in most cases, depending on the appraisal, willing to take a slight hit (maybe 5-10% discount of what is owed, not appraisal) and will usually request for the second to take pennies on the dollar.  I have had 3 2nd lenders tell me in the past couple months that they are extremely frustrated with the seminar gurus teaching agents/investors to approach the 2nd lien holder with pennies on the dollar.  After asking the lenders how they felt about America's Home Rescue teaching agents across America to propose a slightly higher amount (i.e. 20-30 cents on the dollar, if possible), they said "Finally, someone is teaching people that $1,000 won't cut it anymore!"

Michael Spickes

Aug 13, 2007 04:12 PM
William Johnson
Retired - La Jolla, CA
Retired
Hi Michael and Stacy. Would you mind a tip to make your posts better. If you wuldn't mind, divide the material up and add some space to make it read easier. Add a photr  or some hi lights ( bold print ) here and there to help break it up. I hope you won't take any offense but it will help your readers.
Aug 13, 2007 04:20 PM
Michael & Stacy Spickes
America's Home Rescue (2008 & 2009 NAR Convention Speakers) - Austin, TX

Sure.  Thanks for the heads up.

I actually can't see on my end what you're referring to, but I trust what you're saying is correct.

Michael

Aug 13, 2007 04:22 PM
Bev Boeck
My Idaho Place Real Estate, Inc. - Eagle, ID

Good stuff Michael and Stacy.  Was hoping you'd allow re-blog, in fact, so I could make this available a little bit more--so many asking this same question.  Great answers on your part--will there be a follow-up on related ideas?
BB

Apr 19, 2009 04:19 AM