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SHORT SALE SELLERS BEWARE | This Could Happen to You

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Real Estate Agent with Captain Bill Realty, LLC

SHORT SALE SELLERS BEWARE | This Could Happen to You

 

Short sale sellers beware

 

A listing agent has a buyer/investor negotiating with the lender to purchase the short sale listing. This is an actual situation I've just encountered. I won't identify the agent.

 

REALTOR REMARKS QUOTED VERBATIM

"TENANTS RIGHT, UNABLE TO SHOW, TENANT NOT COOPERATING, PENDING EVICTION, NO LOCKBOX, SHORT SALK NEGOTIATED BY 3RD PARTY. This is a short sale &; is contingent upon lender approval. Call listing agent pruioer to submitting any offers,. All offers must be accompanied by the AAR Short Sale Addendum.";

 

I telephoned listing agent who confirmed eviction in process; tenant won't allow showings.

Home on MLS 25 days. Foreclosure sale date September.

MY CLIENT WANTS TO MAKE OFFER

Home listed 25% below comps. It's 4 years old in popular community; nice exterior. We're familiar with community, floor plan and amenities.

My buyer decided to offer based on exterior condition. If interior gets trashed by tenant, they could cancel if  lender wouldn't repair major damage that may occur. My buyers areShort sale sellers know your agent experienced so we didn't expect problems.

LISTING AGENT DIDN'T RETURN CALLS

  • Telephoned agent as per MLS instructions. No return call
  • Following day I called again. No return call.
  • Weekend passed.
  • On Monday I called, third time. My message said I'm concerned you may have become incapacitated and can't return calls; so if I don't receive one today I'll call broker.
  • At same time I sent email requesting a call.

That evening, at 9:00 pm, the agent's call went to my voice mail. Left no message.

Shortly afterwards, agent emailed.

EMAIL CHRONOLOGY

My first email

<<<Hello (agent)

I hope you are ok, because I’ve called and left several messages over the past few days with no return call.

I need to speak with you regarding (address)

Please call me on my cell phone 480 226 1630

Thank you,

Bill>>>

 

Agent response

<<<HELLO BILL , I HAVE ONLY RECEIVED YOUR VOICE MESSAGE TODAY. I AM SORRY NOT TO RETURN YOUR CALL ANYTIME SOONER AS I WAS WITH A CLIENT ALL DAY TODAY. THE PROPERTY ON (street name) IS AVAILABLE. WE ARE UNABLE TO SHOW THE PROPERTY DUE TO UN COOPERATIVE TENANT. WE DO HAVE A FEW OFFERS IN AND BEING NEGOTIATED BY A THIRD PARTY NEGOTIATOR. NOTHING ACCEPTED YET. YOU ARE WELCOME TO PUT IN A OFFER IF YOU LIKE.>>>

 

 My response, playing dumb

<<<Hello (agent),

I don’t understand. Has the seller accepted more than one offer?

It seems to me that the seller can only accept one offer, contingent on lender acceptance, and that offer is to be submitted to the bank for negotiating, and any other offers are back up. What’s happening in this case?

Bill>>>

 

Agent response

<<<There is a investor/negotiator negotiating this file. As he is in to make a buk him self . there for any accepted offers would be a back to back closing.>>>

 

THE PLAN

The agent is "apparently" in cahoots with an investor. Investor is the negotiator. Investor submits  lowball offer to  listing agent, who gets seller acceptance. Investor negotiates with bank for low price.

Investor will have a buyer at higher price to flip property to at COE in back-to-back transaction. End buyer funds. That money goes to fund investors transaction.

STONEWALL TACTIC

Agent stonewalls others, preventing higher offers.

Stonewalling includes "Renter not cooperating" and "I didn't receive your messges"

SELLER'S PROBLEMQuestion the short sale realtor

Seller can become seriously damaged in this plan.

  • Lenders don't allow buyers to assign contracts.
  • Buyers must disclose if they're investors
  • Flipping in back-to-back transaction is not illegal, however, lenders don't allow it
  • If buyer/investors fail to disclose, that is "possible" fraud
  • There is strong chance this transaction will fail at last minute

If transaction fails near foreclosure sale date, seller will lose home to foreclosure and credit is damaged more than through short sale

Agent "apparently" working in best interest of investor/negotiator to obtain lowest price. Violation of Code of Ethics.

AZ is non-recourse state, and until end of 2012 there's no forgiven-debt tax. Seller has some protection. However, if  short sale is unsuccessful, sellers credit is badly damaged.

Sellers doing a Short Sale should heed this advice:short sale electronic lock box

  • Study the short sale process
  • Never allow agents to have buyer/investor negotiate short sale.
  • Be sure agent lists home near the comps
  • Read MLS print out; make sure agent writes information you've approved
  • Be sure agent markets home to Primary Residence buyers, not investors.
  • Get copies of agents Electronic Lock Box showing reports .

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Comments(11)

Mary Kay Hopkins
Mary Kay Hopkins, LLC e-PRO, GRI, CRS, CRB - Lake Charles, LA
e-PRO,GRI,CRS

Val, this is horrible on multiple levels. Hope you call the broker.

Jul 28, 2010 04:56 AM
Bill Travis
Captain Bill Realty, LLC - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner

That's a possibility. I haven't decided what to do yet.

Jul 28, 2010 05:22 AM
Kathryn Maguire
GreatNorfolkHomes.com (757) 560-0881 - Chesapeake, VA
Serving Chesapeake, Norfolk, VA Beach

That is a really sad state of affairs for the other agent to allow this sort of thing to happen.  He  is supposed to have a fiduciary duty to the seller, not to help his buddy make a quick buck.  This activity is what gives our profession a bad name.

Jul 28, 2010 06:49 AM
Bill Travis
Captain Bill Realty, LLC - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner

Kathryn the sad thing is what it could do to the seller.

Fortunately my buyer knows me well and trusts me when I tell him it's useless to try and pursue this house because we're being stone walled, and would be wasting our time.

Jul 28, 2010 07:09 AM
Todd Clark - Retired
eXp Realty LLC - Tigard, OR
Principle Broker Oregon

I would report this guy's principle broker ASAP and then if nothing changes report him to the state. Clearly this poor seller is about to get taken for a ride.

Jul 28, 2010 07:23 AM
Bill Travis
Captain Bill Realty, LLC - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner

Todd, thanks, I am considering going to the state.

Jul 28, 2010 08:11 AM
Maya Thomas, Broker
Tampa, FL
Please see my client recommendations.

How aweful!  

I left messages all week for an agent and I finally got her on the phone today.  No apology for ignoring my calls last week.

Then I checked in with a buyer to tell them about a fantastic new home.  She said that I would be happy to learn that they just bought a house.  She was sorry she couldn't use me after all of the last year of work I had done, but the listing agent on the short sale had the buyer and wouldn't allow the buyer to assign the contract to her if she used another agent.  WHAT is going on with agents today???

Jul 28, 2010 05:57 PM
Sharon Alters
Coldwell Banker Vanguard Realty - 904-673-2308 - Fleming Island, FL
Realtor - Homes for Sale Fleming Island FL

I'm with Todd. I would call the broker immediately and stop these shenanigans before the seller ends up with a foreclosure. A lot of 'agents' have other jobs and can't call back during the day (and apparently they get amnesia at night).

Jul 28, 2010 06:10 PM
Bill Travis
Captain Bill Realty, LLC - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner

Maya, I'm see such crazy things going on. I'l sorry to hear about that buyer deserting you after a year.

Frank & Sharon, it's getting to be pretty bad with agents not wanting to make return calls.

Jul 29, 2010 01:23 AM
Donne Knudsen
Los Angeles & Ventura Counties in CA - Simi Valley, CA
CalState Realty Services

Bill - OMG!!!  What a racket!  Just when I thought I had seen and heard it all!  Its jerks like this that give the rest of you Realtors such a bad name.  Unbelievable!

Jul 30, 2010 04:25 PM
Bill Travis
Captain Bill Realty, LLC - Gilbert, AZ
Broker/Owner

Donne, unfortunately there is a lot of this going on.

Jul 31, 2010 01:34 AM