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Will Video Kill The Virtual Tour?

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Services for Real Estate Pros with RealSatisfied

The short answer: NO. The long answer: Definitely not.

But to hear the new wave of video technologists talk, you’d think that all other media are officially dead. They’re telling us to throw away our digital cameras or be declared obsolete, even though these videos are just another form of virtual tour. These new videovangelists are even defying people to argue otherwise.

I hate when people defy me to do things. Especially people who don’t know what they’re talking about and prove it every time they open their mouths. Bill Leider is not too fond of this kind of empty rhetoric either. Bill's introduction to this topic is: The Whole World Is Going To Video - Or Not. So over the coming weeks we’re going to explore the depths of Internet marketing, analyze its various elements, define what makes for great and not so great presentations, connect all of it to what it needs to be in order to make you more successful and, most importantly, invite your input.

First, here’s a preview, expressed as three reasons why Video will not kill, or even hurt, good virtual tours:

1. Quality – communicating emotion vs. information.

I've written before about the importance of emotion in your Internet presentations. And Video has so much inherent potential to effectively communicate emotion. Done properly it is, experientially, the next best thing to being there. But good video production is complex. So its potential can only be achieved when all the elements of a good production are present. It’s a lot of work and it has to be done by people who really know what they’re doing.

You must have a good videographer or everything turns to garbage.

Whoever is doing the narrative must have a pleasing voice, a warm presence and a well-written script. The script content must communicate feeling - the joy of living in the space - not just a description of the rooms and the building materials and the prestigious brand names of the kitchen appliances. The narrator must communicate love, not the fact that he/she took voice lessons.

Lighting; appropriate background music; the timing and connection between the narrative, the music and what is being seen; the visual flow of all that is being shown; overall show length – all these must be flawlessly executed or the great potential is not only not achieved – but the viewers’ experience turns ugly and negative.

So far, great videos, much like truly great movies, rarely happen. Which brings us to…

2. Cost. It costs money to do video right. And cost has three components:

First, there is the cost of a video in absolute dollars. Even though we don't do video, I was one of three panelists on Video And Your Business at the Inman Real Estate Connect Conference in San Francisco. Both of the other panelists, when asked what a typical video presentation cost, replied that it depends on the cost of the videographer, and that cost ranges between $125 and $1,500 or more – per video.

Second, there is the relative cost of the video as a component or percentage of your overall marketing budget for a particular house.
This, of course, must be reasonable as a percentage of the price of the house and should take into account the other kinds of advertising you must do to address the traditional audience of potential buyers who don’t rely heavily on the Internet.

And third, there is the cost of your time. If you believe that you can abdicate your responsibilities, hand them off to a Video production team/person and just ignore the process you are seriously mistaken. You’re the real estate professional. You are in charge of and responsible for marketing the home. You answer directly to the seller. You need to take an active role in achieving the desired result of the marketing campaign. And Video, well done, requires more time than all other forms of media presentation.

That's why video is the right solution in a relatively small number of situations.
The right situation is where the price of the property allows for the highest quality video production or in situations where the video can have a relatively long shelf life without the potential need for post production modification. Ease of creation and the flexibility to change or modify post production is important - especially in today's market where property stays on the market longer.

If you think that you can save time and money by doing it yourself, and still create a good Video, go back and re-read Items 1 and 2 above. And finally…

3. Ease and Flexibility.

I hope I’ve given you a sense of the complexity and relative difficulty of doing a video well. And I hope you understand the importance of doing it well and the consequences of doing it badly.

Doing a video just to say you’ve done a video makes no sense. The result is the goal, not the medium. Well-done virtual tours can communicate far more positive emotion, positive energy and effective results than mediocre or bad videos. And they can be created with far greater ease because you can work on the components separately. You can focus on photography without simultaneously bringing in the narrative. Making text changes to the narrative does not require any re-shooting. The entire process is far easier.

Even more important is the flexibility. There is a flexibility you get with a well-architected virtual tour that will never exist with a video presentation.

In today’s buyers’ market, homes stay on the market far longer. That often triggers the need to periodically change, modify or update your Internet presentation. With video, you must re-shoot parts of, or even the entire Video. Cost. Time. Yuk.

Today’s virtual tours are not the difficult to produce 360 degree tours of yesterday.
They are dynamically created from still images, and allow you to simply change out the photos you don’t want and insert new ones. Or change the narrative. Or add additional photos. Making a change takes a few minutes and zero dollars extra. Nice.

Lessons From Real Estate Connect.

At the recent Inman Real Estate Connect Conference, Christian Sterner, CEO of Wellcomemat, showed a video that is the perfect example of what I described above, although that was not his intent. Admittedly, the example he used was a sped up version of the actual video. However, his argument both at the conference and on their blog, is that this is far superior to any virtual tour. See for yourself.

Information with insufficient emotion.
Bad lighting.
Plain vanilla words with no real story.
All the cost with none of the benefits.

Now, if you’re going to respond by telling me: “Who cares, the client wants video,” then my answer is, I completely understand, and I intend to address that topic in a future post.

For all other issues, just look at the video and let me know what you see and what you don’t see.

Personally, I strongly believe that well-done video has an important role to play in Internet marketing. But it’s far narrower than the videovangelists would have you believe. Your job, as a professional, is to know which approach to use in which situation to give your clients and you the best results and the best return on investment.

Bill Leider's response to this post is here: http://activerain.com/blogsview/197334/To-V-Or-Not

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Dan Dashnaw
AgentCasts Real Estate Video Tours - Fort Lauderdale, FL

In all honesty, for us (as well as our colleagues) 'video' is about the online distribution potential - this is what separates 'video' from a Virtual Tour.

Whether it's a number of listing photos processed into a video or a full-on videographer-shot video tour, getting your listings into a format which can be distributed to all of the web's video and podcasting sites (like YouTube, iTunes, and the zillion others) is the important point for distinguishing the true value here for your marketing dollars. 

I've read many times in this thread alone that the real significance / ROI can only be reflected in terms of getting your listings in front of your potential buyers, and having an online video distribution strategy working for you is definitely a bold move in this direction, especially at this point in time.  You should hear the rave reviews we get from clients using our inexpensive 'photo based video tours' in terms of dragging eyeballs to their listings and back to their websites.  They receive these benefits because we include distribution to over 10 web video sites and a large number of podcasting destinations with every video we produce - whether it's a photo-based video tour costing about $97 or a full video production we shoot with a videographer for $399.  The results from either type of production are about the same in the end - higher visibility for your listings online, in all of the relevant places your potential buyers will be searching - as well as immediate SEO results from Google and the search engines that 'spider' your video content in the various locations we've posted it to.

Anyway, just my .02!

Best Regards,

Dan Dashnaw

AgentCasts.com 

Oct 09, 2007 06:43 AM
Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA

Dan... I know this is the mantra that almost everyone in video is chanting, but I'm sure the numbers prove the claims. Who searches YouTube for houses? I've tried hard to do that and it's painful. Potential buyers aren't trolling podcasts, youtube or any other video specific site for houses... they go to real estate search engines for that or they attempt natural language searches on the major search engines.

Tony Grey at Vidlisting.com did a good analysis of this a while back in The Data Again Shows That YourTube STILL Isn't The Magic Elixir Even With Videos Shown Inline As Universal Search Results. Tony could speak more to the current state of affairs in terms of hard data, but I just spend 30 minutes searching YouTube for videos and then searching google for the same results. My results are anecdotal and not nearly as persuasive as Tony's results, but the videos on youtube do not even show up on the first 5 pages of search results, and the number of views on each of them was anemic, by my standards.  

Oct 15, 2007 05:23 AM
Dan Dashnaw
AgentCasts Real Estate Video Tours - Fort Lauderdale, FL

Hello Jeff!

I was actually talking about the resulting organic search results in Google as a primary point of focus, as searching in YouTube (or any other general web video site, for that matter) is indeed a dark and exhausting way to spend your time!  When we distribute a video tour to a good number of at least fundamentally-relevant video destinations, the results from these destinations (such as YouTube) reach the first page of Google's organic search results very often and very quickly.

For example, search Google organic for 'video tour fort lauderdale' and look at the results.  We posted one simple demo video of a property in Fort Lauderdale through our distribution network about 2-3 weeks ago, and 'left it alone'.  If we perform the search I mentioned at the start of this paragraph today, there are 2 organic results on Google in the #2 and #3 position on the page, both for this demo piece - one is from Metacafe (a web video site) and the other is from Mefeedia.com (a podcast listing site). 

So, in truth, I'm not at all impressed by the current options for searching real estate video content that are currently available online, and I'm certainly not a fan of the idea of considering today's destinations as important 'search driven' places to focus on within themselves at all.  It's rather the 'Google visibility' I'm impressed with from the postings that the search engine spiders pull from these sites we post to.  Hope that makes sense!

Best Regards,

Dan Dashnaw

AgentCasts.com 

Oct 15, 2007 05:51 AM
Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA

Dan... I did understand. The assumption you're making, however, is that someone will search "video tour" as the delimiter. I searched "santa clarita real estate" on youtube and found 13 videos. If I do the same search on Google, they are nowhere to be found. If I search "video tour Santa Clarita" one of them shows up on the first page. 

I think some hard comparisons need to be done to validate these claims. For the most part, except for Tony's study, all we have to go on is anecdotal information. 

Oct 15, 2007 06:11 AM
M A
Boston, MA

I believe that video should be used as a starting point with real estate.  In today's fast paced environment, shoppers want to be sure that they are not wasting their time.  Watching real estate videos from a computer can save them a wasted trip to a perspective property.  The realtor that can show their clients quick videos of a property to get some interest has a better shot of selling the property.

Oct 15, 2007 06:28 AM
Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA

Martin... I believe you get as good, if not better, results from well executed and SEO optimized "virtual" tours.

Dan... Tony also wrote another post that addresses your points:  Yes, But Number One In Google For What?

Oct 15, 2007 07:04 AM
Fred Light
| Nashua Video Tours - Nashua, NH
Real Estate Video Tours for MA and NH

Nobody searches YouTube for real estate... I think most people will agree with that.

However, MOST people begin heir real estate search on search engines - and those video sites DO come up in search engine results... under TOP keywords.  In two days.... every time.

For example.... search Google for "Foxboro, Massachusetts apartment rentals", which is the #1 search keyword for apartment rentals in Foxboro, MA....    Several videos show up on PAGE ONE.... this is well over a month since it was uploaded.  Two days after they were uploaded, 8 out of 10 on page one were their videos - 5 out of 10 on page two.  All provide links back to their website for additional information.

Can't argue with that. 

Nashua Video Tours 

Oct 15, 2007 07:07 AM
Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA
Fred... no, I can't. And I don't want to. I just want the conversation to be based around hard facts, not hype. We all hear the hype, what we aren't seeing is hard data comparison between platforms for the same properties. Again, Tony's is the only one I've seen that has done a direct apples to apples comparison between traditional real estate search results and the added value, in terms of actual visits, from the large video networks. 
Oct 15, 2007 07:15 AM
Dan Dashnaw
AgentCasts Real Estate Video Tours - Fort Lauderdale, FL

Jeff:

I was making the assumption that the user(s) would be likely using some discriminating search term, such as 'video tour' or 'real estate video' when querying Google, of course.  A search for 'real estate fort lauderdale' is going to be heavily saturated for very obvious reasons.  Isn't this the same distinction we must use for searching for anything anywhere though, when addressing the major search engines?

If a searcher wants to specify a way of distinguishing what he or she is trying to find when searching on Google, it would certainly seem likely to use a common baseline term like 'video tour' or 'real estate video' to identify the fact that they're looking for real estate video content specifically - of course.  All that we're saying here is that with proper keywords and tags, real estate listing content can be dramatically boosted in terms of visibility by distributing it to the online video destinations along with the proper terms to describe the video.  Nothing too shocking here, IMO.

...and Tony's post really just returns the same debate we're having here - I've been there before too.  =]

Fred:

Exactly!  That's why we post our video content across the web as well.  =]

Best Regards,

Dan Dashnaw

AgentCasts.com 

Oct 15, 2007 07:31 AM
A. Grey
Vidlisting.com - Bremerton, WA
Real Estate Video Mentor - Vidlisting.com

Unfortunately, I am in Jeff's corner in this case.  

The Success Factors In Online Videos

We've defined the two main success factors for consideration with any property video on a traditional online video site as follows:

- the number of prospective buyers to the site to which it is uploaded (as measured by traffic to actual property videos not conference videos, blog videos, or interviews) 

- the traffic from the usual cut and paste distribution of the player or video file

Factor #1: Number of Prospective Buyers At The Video Upload Sites

We pay close attention to a lot of data and just don't see the benefits of uploading to online video sites, SEO or otherwise. Like Fred says, no one goes to video sites but isnt this where the SEO value is? In the few cases where we found consistent video results and people did make first page, the search terms were so narrowly defined that the videos themselves had very few views. I just dont see video results for seaches on major cities. The SEO logic loses strength when property videos on these sites are in highly searched for areas and *still* have a paltry number of views.

To Dan's point, the article isnt the same old argument. My point is that videos aren't getting viewed on video sites even if there were such SEO benefits (which the most basic test reveals that there doesn't seem to be any across-the-board consistent benefit just by A) using video or B) using any of the upload sites)

Factor #2: The Cut and Paste Distribution Model

With any of these video sites that use a cut and paste distribution strategy, the user have 100% of the distribution responsibility (good, bad, or indifferent). No Cut and Paste = No Distribution. Distribution completely differs from one user to another. 

This distribution works great for general videos but not so well when you are working to build consistent results around views. Don't know an A-List Real Estate Blogger that can paste your property video into his/her blog? Your traffic will reflect the level of contacts and the traffic that they have for property videos. It's obvious from the average traffic levels that the bulk of video owners on YouTube or other sites dont have the contacts needed with high traffic sites to achieve large numbers of video views. Otherwise, they'd all have thousands of views, right?

The Value To The Customer Is In The Marketing Not The Medium

In short, since the bulk of users are by definition far more likely to congregate around the statistical mean rather than the exceptional few achievers, why dont more video vendors have some sort of value proposition around the marketing and distribution rather than the video itself. But they really can't since the  fragmented video distribution model only seems to bring one consistently measurable result, right? Show me some data with more than dozens of views in the initial 30 days and I'll see more value in that approach.

Should we as vendors have some skin in the results of business? Not being invested in the results of distribution could be considered "fine" if you are just selling a video but as you say, the value of the videos are as a marketing tool. It seems some are perfectly willing to leave the actual marketing part out of the deal and just say that video is "expensive". I personally don't think that approach is good for the buyer or the overall industry. Any marketing medium that only ends up with dozens of online views is expensive in terms of your time no matter the upfront cost of the medium.

Defining A Value Proposition

Is the value proposition of property videos simply that they can be uploaded to video sites? If so, how do you answer the question of why do so many property videos uploaded on these sites for a week or more have less than 10 video views? 

We have taken a different approach to distribution that is documented on our blog and elsewhere that allows us to define a clear value proposition.. In short, our strategy brings results that lowers the cost per view under $0.30 in the first month (thats using our average number of views and from a value perspective is lower than most major market pay-per-click costs on Google) and under $0.10 per view after only about 90 days. Perhaps video isnt so expensive after all with those results. 

I'd love to hear more of everyone's thinking. Counter examples using real data around property videos would be great too.  Successful business models are best built around aggregate user data that is consistent.

Tony

Oct 15, 2007 07:38 AM
Dave Keys
MOVE UP in Google Search Learn How Here - Brea, CA
Chief Search Strategist Real Estate SEO Expert

I love video, but I agree with Jeff. It's the emotion that counts.

Here's one of mine, but it's really just a photo mashup: http://vimeo.com/1440481

Dave Keys - Solutions By Dave

Aug 01, 2008 03:15 PM
Anonymous
Michelle Cohen

DOES ANYBODY read the PEW INTERNET report or others or do they just stay here on ActiveRain? VIDEO shows up quicker than any other medium on Google or Yahoo because Video is what people are looking for. Buyers when asked state that they prefer professional video over other mediums. Is anyone listening to the customer?


Jeff writes that its easy and conveys positive emotion better than a bad Virtual Tour. So what, the same can be said of good edited Video and a Bad picture Virtual Tour with cheesy cheap royalty free music. This doesn't prove anything but that quality is important. Easy? Is that what your Seller wants is to make it Easy on the REALTOR or do they want the most valued marketing position by way of what could sell their home for potentially higher price (Video has been proven to provide a sense of being more important and more expensive to the viewer)

Easy? Both are equal. They both take a Realtor (who knows how) or a professional 20-40 minutes to do the work. No difference. Editing? Same thing. It may take slightly longer for Video but its worth it. With OBEO you have to wait 3 days for turn around. With a local Videographer he/she can have your video up on the same day. Easy in terms of what? Might be loosing marketing days with Virtuals so there's an arguement there too.

What I heard above was a lot of REALTORS stating THEIR preference, not their clients. "I use your virtual tours Jeff because they are so easy!"

http://NashuaVideoTours.com and http://GlideTours.com charge reasonable rates and do not produce shakey video. What's the issue Realtor?

http://VisitMyLuxuryHome.com seems to have some of the best video around but they do charge $800 a video... but it does look 1000 better than an Virtual Tour.

Virtual is not going away yet. However, like VHS there will be a transition at some point. Who will make that transition? The SELLERS before the Realtors do because they will demand that type of marketability once proven effective.

Tony? Don't understand why you would put down your own business. You're own video shows 528 views, not the 10 you describe??? Problem with your site is that its not developed correctly for the Buyer to find an available video. I looked at it, confusing. Not trying to be mean though. Just straight with you.

So to recap: Still Pictures will never go away and Virtual Tours are not going away anytime soon. However, Video's are going to make a huge impact in the next 2 years over Virtual and the SELLERS will make it happen over their Cheap Realtor! Sorry Guys and Gals but you exposed yourselves again for being what the public says you are. "I want it cheap and easy!"

Michelle

Jun 07, 2010 10:31 AM
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Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA

Michelle, do you realize your commenting on a post that is almost three years old? The comments your judging are also almost three years old.

Jun 07, 2010 11:12 AM
Anonymous
Michelle Cohen

Yes Jeff. I did see the date. It doesn't conflict with my comments about Virtual or Video comments. They are still valid because they have to do with what you said, what the Realtors said, and the comments of other professionals. If you had written it in 2000 I would have said the same thing. Bad quality is bad quality in any product.

As an update to this I went to http://HDHat.com where they allow videos priced at $30.00. However, over 80% of them are very poorly done because again, Realtors insist on trying to save a buck over providing quality Video from a professional. Saving a buck is not a bad thing but when its at the detriment of the Sellers potential home selling value it is. I had to hold a white bag while watching most of the video's.


The 20 somethings of today will know better when they Buy and Sell in the future as opposed to the current Selling generation (which truely baffles me). 35+ y/o agents that still try to "do it themselves" with a $300 camera at the detriment of the Seller is pathetic. Just my honest opinion and I'm sure other Buyers feel the same. At least the sites I mentioned in the prior post are doing a great job of setting the right standard. I think from what I've seen of your site it also sets a standard which is good.

This type of site will make your site a winner for many years to come but I stand by my statement that in the next 2 years there will be a change and I've never been wrong about anything I've ever said.

M

Jun 07, 2010 12:09 PM
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"The Lovely Wife" The One And Only TLW.
President-Tutas Towne Realty, Inc. - Kissimmee, FL

The one thing missing here...

Is a reality check. As the market has changed, so have the needs of the Consumer and their Realtors. We are back into a "multiple offer" market. By the time we arrange for a video to be made, which could take weeks, we're already off the market and closing the transaction. Me thinks you may wrong, this one time :)

TLW...ROAR!

Jun 07, 2010 12:37 PM
Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA

Well, I was wrong just yesterday, according to my wife, so I can't relate. :)

Jun 07, 2010 01:40 PM
Jeff Turner
RealSatisfied - Santa Clarita, CA

Well, I was wrong just yesterday, according to my wife, so I can't relate. :)

Jun 07, 2010 01:40 PM
Anonymous
Michelle Cohen

I take it back! It will be 1 year from now. So I was/will be wrong. http://www.videoscape.tv is in your neck of the woods. I'll bet these guys can shoot and edit a video in less than 24 hours. Call and find out although I think they are a little on the high side pricing wise (they need to get volume up and pricing down)!

http://www.itubefloridarealestate.com has got some right ideas but they are still doing picture stills in a video. Check out the second video on the right under features with Kristine Lehman. Smokin' hot property! Every property should get as much attention as it deserves. Yes, I know some properties are crap but those won't be filmed so they eventually die off and new communities are built in their place. :)

Jeff, tell your wife you're right when it really counts. Like when you stepped out and created your VT site. I'll bet you bought her a car with your company. Ha! :) Could I be wrong?

M

Jun 07, 2010 04:51 PM
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